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Old 05-21-2005, 03:08 PM   #1
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Changing from Duragesic 75mcg to WHAT??

I hope someone can help me with this question. First let me say that the Duragesic has been working great. I had a L4-5 Fusion in 1992. In 1995 had all the hardware taken out. I just started pain management 2 years ago after trying everything else out there. I take Duragesic 75 and Norco 10mg for break thru pain. Here is the problem. I am paying $110.00 per month for the Duragesic. I know you are saying if it is " working great" then what is the problem, well the problem is I can't afford this every month on top of everything else. I have Insurance and an Rx card. This is my Co-pay. The Rx Company said to buy generic, my PM will not give me the generic and always writes Brand Ness. on the Rx. The pharmacist said he has to fill it with Brand name. What else could I take that would be like the Patch but cheaper??

Any thoughts or help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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Question Re: Changing from Duragesic 75mcg to WHAT??

My co-pay (I change every 48 hours, thus I have to have 3 boxes) is $50 per box on Duragesic. I just today went and traded in the MYLAN boxes of generic because they DO NOT WORK for the name-brand. I know they are expensive, but they are all that help me, so I have to pay for it. The pharmacist said they were about $100 a box without insurance. I don't know of anything else, but I am so new to this, I am interested to know also if there is anything comprable to the patch but less expensive. I hope there is, b/c $150 a month for 1 medication is draining to our monthly budget also.

Good luck,
Mary Kay

PS I forgot to mention, the MYLAN generic is not worth the $$ you save - I went thru all my BT meds thinking I was just having a bad flare-up, but the patch is SO thin, you can't see any medication in it, so I think it was just not working. I have heard that the SANDOZ generic is better, but none of my pharmacies carry it. I thought it was just me, but it has been mentioned before that the MYLAN generic is bad.

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Re: Changing from Duragesic 75mcg to WHAT??

You are right - the Mylan generic is WORTHLESS - but through these boards, I found out that Sandoz makes a generic also, and is just like the original Duragesic patch. My husband tried the Mylan first because that is what our pharmacy carries, but when I found out about the3 Sandoz, they ordered them for us, and he says they work just as well as the name brand. Perhaps you can give them a try.

 
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Re: Changing from Duragesic 75mcg to WHAT??

Hi Debbie, It's nice to se a doc that recognizeds all roducts are not equal, The generics simply have to meet a standard range that the proprietay drug reaches. The samne dose won'rtt create the same serum level in everyone, size, blood volume and metabolism all effect it so uou end up with give or take +20 or -20% when creating a generic. I hope he allws you t use the geenric norco, necause the same manufacturer makes both the generic and athe name brand product Your going to get aabot as close as you would from one batch to the next if your sticking with the same manufacturrs, just a different food coloering and imprint stamp in one Vs the other.

It seems allowing you to try a generic is less difficult than starting all over with a new med btut there are charts that can guide a doc into the right ballpark, but the ballpark may b large and take a few adjustmnents to get the same rlief, plus it may take more of one drug t o provide qual reief than another despite what all charts say.
Durageis is likely a tier 1, having the most expensive copay, MSContin has been aound the since 84 and if he's stuck on generic you would be in the 225-315 mgss per day range, or he could use Kadian or Avinza which likely are hifgher tier meds than the oldr MSC. Th last two are also true 12 hour meds that last u tp 24 hours
40-60 mgs of methadone even cash for brand name a day would cost you less than 115 a month, It's dirt cheap but has it's own unique properties.

Demerol isn't an option, due to metabolte build up.

Oxtcontin would be an option in the 120-160 range and is 9 years old. hopeflly not the most expensive tier.

Palladone, the new LA dilaudid is now available, the manufacturers guideline is rediculosly low so it would probably take alot of adjustmets to get to a working dose around 30-40 mgs a day. Likely top tier and all the name brand are expensive, but hopefully not to the extent of what your paying and you will spend making adjustments.

These numbers are just guides, there is no absolute conversin ratio you can use on everyone, so docs tend to start low but should expect and plan to see you more frequently untill the dose is adjusted correctly and side effects are managed or have time to deminish. There are 3 distinct families of opiates represented in the ones I mentioned and none are in the unique class that the fents are in.

So it's a big change and some differential withdrawal, milder than normal withdrawal, may take time to transition through as you find the right dose if you don't taper down on the fentanyl and do a cold switch like so many docs do.

Good luck, those are the US options, His rationale for name only may be that he doesn't have to prescribe as many lgs of an inferir product, but not all generics are inferior.
Take care, Dave

 
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Re: Changing from Duragesic 75mcg to WHAT??

Hi, I have heard also that the generic Mylan patch is not good. I have been calling around looking for the Sandoz but, no one carries them and my Mom & Pop pharmacy said we "don't have a contract with them" and would not order them. It doesn't matter now since my PM dr. will not write it for generic.
I am just thankful that I have pain management now. I went thru so much as I am sure you both did before I could even get into pain management. I think I will just suck it up and stay with the name brand patches since they work. It would be awlful to change to something else and have side effects.
My PM said patients were coming back to him with the Mylan patches and wanting a new rx to get the name brand. Around here pharmacies will not let you bring back medicine. He said it is an inferior product and should be taken off the market. So, I will just be thankful that I have something that works. If you don't mind me asking, what if anything do you take for break thru pain?

 
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