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Old 05-20-2007, 09:46 AM   #1
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Duragesic/Methadone Question

I've been reading through some of the latest threads and there have been some that talk about going from one med to another. This is sort of a technical question but I am curious: I was on Methadone for almost 2 years before the doc switched me to the Duragesic Patch (100) last month. I know that duragesic (fentanyl) is not an opiode antagonist like suboxine/subutex (sp?). My understanding though is that the methadone that I was on was an opiode antagonist. If I were to take a methadone dose while on Duragesic, (not that i'm going to..I promise!!) would the methadone then throw me into withdrawals? I hope my question is clearer to you, the reader, than it is to me...the writer! Thanks for any input. KathyMac

 
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Re: Duragesic/Methadone Question

OK...I understand what you are talking about. I am not 100% sure about this but I have an idea. If you were to take a methadone dose then it would not put you into withdrawl. The methadone itself would prevent you from going into withdrawls and you will have duragesic on top of that. The opiod antagonist keeps the user from getting "high" from the the effects of the opiod. It does not prevent the opiod from acting on your body and relieving pain or preventing you from going into withdrawls. My guess is that if you add methadone to the mix you will prob have to much opiates in your system and will become sick to your stomach or something. I hope this helps you but dont take anything I said to seriously because i am not sure about any of this. Just putting alot of this together from differnet posts on this forum.

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Re: Duragesic/Methadone Question

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I've been reading through some of the latest threads and there have been some that talk about going from one med to another. This is sort of a technical question but I am curious: I was on Methadone for almost 2 years before the doc switched me to the Duragesic Patch (100) last month. I know that duragesic (fentanyl) is not an opiode antagonist like suboxine/subutex (sp?). My understanding though is that the methadone that I was on was an opiode antagonist. If I were to take a methadone dose while on Duragesic, (not that i'm going to..I promise!!) would the methadone then throw me into withdrawals? I hope my question is clearer to you, the reader, than it is to me...the writer! Thanks for any input. KathyMac
KathyMac,

I'm really glad you promised you weren't going to do this because IMHO it's a real bad idea. Methadone is not an antagonist. It is a full opioid agonist, with properties that tend to negate the high other opioids bring and also tends to mitigate tolerance better than other opioids.

But methadone is a beast unto itself and based on my limited knowledge, I would never attempt such a thing. Once one has been on another opioid and gets switched to methadone it's not surprising to learn that the starting dose of methadone is much, much smaller than the dose of the previous opioid because of incomplete cross tolerance. In English, it takes much less (in mg dosage) methadone to manage chronic pain in one being switched from another opioid. It would also take much less methadone in mg to overdose.

I expect it would be a real dangerous thing to try.

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Re: Duragesic/Methadone Question

Thanks for the responses! No, I wouldn't take methadone while on another opioid. I was just trying to figure out the difference between agonist and antagonist. I was under the impression that taking them together would negate the pain-relieving effects of both drugs...now I know that isn't the case. KathyMac

 
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Re: Duragesic/Methadone Question

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Thanks for the responses! No, I wouldn't take methadone while on another opioid. I was just trying to figure out the difference between agonist and antagonist. I was under the impression that taking them together would negate the pain-relieving effects of both drugs...now I know that isn't the case. KathyMac
Sorry KathyMac - I took your comment totally wrong.

The one thing I do know about methadone is that it comes with no kind of rush, and if being taken theraputically, and then another opioid is used, there will be no high from the second opioid, regardless of dose, as I understand it.

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