surgeon released me with PM recommendation but no meds to last
I am blown away as in my husband. Surgeons office called back & said he is referring me to PM but no more meds. I have never ever went outside any doctors order, infact have undermedicated. I am cluesless as to why he did this. His office gave me two names of PMs & said to pick one. I asked if he was going to call & help me get in & she said she did not know. I was so upset I just burst into tears, with everything I have been through this week I cant believe it. I called the osteos just to leave a message that I will need help quickly to get into PM & she said she would give the osteo the message monday. My husbund is stunned since this has been my biggest fear & the surgeon knew, I ask him last time I was in about PM & he put it off, because of seeing the osteo. I have enough meds if I stretch them till monday morning.
I am even afraid to take the Norco because then what do I tell the PM doc when the surgeon only has me on Percocet?
Cant even lift my arms in the morning & my hands have been hurting so bad, but the worst part is the chest & ribs. I have never been so afraid.
I feel sick to my stomach with fear. I told his office my last message that the osteo said I do need to be in PM but he knew that was my last option, I just don't get it.
How do I make my percocet last when I barely have enough to get through the weekend? My GP does not deal with CP at all. This is so wrong.
I swear as soon as one doctor knows your going to be seen by a new specialist this is what happens. I just cant live like this. I am more afraid then ever of having to deal with this. I have held on & tried to have faith but this is to much. Doing everything your told then to just be left hanging. I am so careful with meds its laughable. My daughter is outraged & feels I should try to get into another GP but then it will appear I am doctor shopping, & who would want to treat me? If I take other meds it will appear I am abusing, I have no ideal what to do & I am beyond desperate.
The office did say well maybe you can calll back monday & see if he will give you enough to get by, well I don't even have an PM appoinntment because none were in this afternoon & that is when the surgeons office called me.
I some how think if he wanted to give me enough to get be he would have done so.
My husband kept telling me not to worry because the surgeon said he wean me off if he but not do this, well I guess I had a reason to be worried.
Heck I don't even know if I should trust a PM recommended by him.
I am trying to stay calm but I am not sure what to do, if ever I needed suggestions it is now. Sammy
Re: surgeon released me with PM recommendation but no meds to last
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Originally Posted by sammyo1
I am blown away as in my husband. Surgeons office called back & said he is referring me to PM but no more meds. I have never ever went outside any doctors order, infact have undermedicated. I am cluesless as to why he did this. His office gave me two names of PMs & said to pick one. I asked if he was going to call & help me get in & she said she did not know. I was so upset I just burst into tears, with everything I have been through this week I cant believe it. I called the osteos just to leave a message that I will need help quickly to get into PM & she said she would give the osteo the message monday. My husbund is stunned since this has been my biggest fear & the surgeon knew, I ask him last time I was in about PM & he put it off, because of seeing the osteo. I have enough meds if I stretch them till monday morning.
I am even afraid to take the Norco because then what do I tell the PM doc when the surgeon only has me on Percocet?
Cant even lift my arms in the morning & my hands have been hurting so bad, but the worst part is the chest & ribs. I have never been so afraid.
I feel sick to my stomach with fear. I told his office my last message that the osteo said I do need to be in PM but he knew that was my last option, I just don't get it.
How do I make my percocet last when I barely have enough to get through the weekend? My GP does not deal with CP at all. This is so wrong.
I swear as soon as one doctor knows your going to be seen by a new specialist this is what happens. I just cant live like this. I am more afraid then ever of having to deal with this. I have held on & tried to have faith but this is to much. Doing everything your told then to just be left hanging. I am so careful with meds its laughable. My daughter is outraged & feels I should try to get into another GP but then it will appear I am doctor shopping, & who would want to treat me? If I take other meds it will appear I am abusing, I have no ideal what to do & I am beyond desperate.
The office did say well maybe you can calll back monday & see if he will give you enough to get by, well I don't even have an PM appoinntment because none were in this afternoon & that is when the surgeons office called me.
I some how think if he wanted to give me enough to get be he would have done so.
My husband kept telling me not to worry because the surgeon said he wean me off if he but not do this, well I guess I had a reason to be worried.
Heck I don't even know if I should trust a PM recommended by him.
I am trying to stay calm but I am not sure what to do, if ever I needed suggestions it is now. Sammy
Hi Sammy, surgeons are noptporious fopr just stopping meds. My client just had hip surgery 2 weeks ago, she called her surgeon for refills. denied! He said tehre was no way she could be in pain (she had a hip replacement!) He had her on Vicodan..laughable if it were not so sad. They cannot admit that surgery does not fix everything. anyway, back to you, If it wereme, I would call again (as you have nothing to lose) and tell them you need sufficent meds until you can see a PM, as you have been on them, and cannlt jsut stop them. Also, you can look for a PM on your own. Please do not get discouraged, tehre is an answer here, please advocate for yourself. I will have you in my thoughts and prayers.
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There are not words enough for me to say what I am feeling. Gosh darn it I was sooooooooooooooooooo afraid of this happening. Surgeon get scared all of the sudden and they no longer want to prescribe. I had this very same thing happen to me. I went in to get meds and the surgeon said, no. Praise GOD my gp took over the meds 2 weeks later. Call your GP if they are open and tell them you need an appt right away if they are still open.
Wasn't your doc supposed to write a new script today? So you are saying he denied it?
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Oh, Sammy I would not hesitate to take whatever you have in your cabinets to get thru to the pm. A pm will understand especially if they dropped you like this. They are used to seeing this.
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My GP wont deal with cp & yes he was suppose to give me a script. The message I got was he reviewed your chart & is releasing you & sending you to PM, but he did not write any scripts for you. Period. I now have a real fear of all doctors, & I am not kidding. I am scared to death & have no clue what to do. I am going to have to try the norco & I don't know, my husband is so mad he may call him monday, who knows. The surgeon knew I was afraid of being left in this pain, & I ask before about PM. I just don't get it at all.
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Sammy,
How many meds do you have now? What do you have and how much, if you dont mind me asking. There has got to be a way to help you thru this. Id have your hubby call too. you know, this guy is dropping the ball, so you arent risking anything by making him mad. I felt that way about calling my doc, and I knew it was either do it, of end up in the ER being worse humiliated and for SURE not getting anything but a bill for 500.00.
xoxoxo,
IZZY'SMOM
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Sammy it is wrong that this happened to you -- but unfortunately this is common. It is WRONG and INHUMANE. Then I would start calling for help and work it every avenue you can for help. This osteo doctor that you are seeing. Ask him for help. Despite what your gp said before, you never know unless you ask and explain you need it temporarily. Push comes to shove, I would try the ER on Monday.
What we have to do is help you thru this anyway that we can.
Take a deep breathe and try to let the anxiety go because it will make your pain increase significantly.....easier said then done. Do you have any anxiety meds?
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Oh god guys I am trying to not get to afraid. I am simply stunned.
My Gp has me classfied as CP & trust me they may give me a shot MR but that is about it, & the osteo Is more of a naturalistic doc, but she did say she would help me if to get into PM if I had to wait any length of time. I just don't know. Every doctor around here has narcotic phobia I think.
I have about 8 perc. left, which I can barely make it on 3 aday, I have norco probalbly at least 40, a few flexerril, skelaxin, motirn & even a couple of oxys left, I never took anything once I was switched thats what gets me. I am so darn careful & boom. I am one who really follows what I am told. Thank god I did not ditch it all, I almost did. I think I even have one vicodin left from a tooth issue. Although not everyting works for this pain.
How do you ever trust any doctors again? & what can I do with what I have left? Can't even call a PM till monday & sure does not give me time to look into which one would be best for me. In some sense I realiaze he did not even have to do that, but he could have given me a warning that he was weening me while I was getting into PM, something. My hsuband will problably call monday, I don't think I will be up to it, & knowing me I would probably loose it. I have been up & down since this diagnosis. I just try so hard not to let it get to me & this is it. What do you think with what I have?
Sammy
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Sammy, I am so sorry. I would try to make an appointment at one of the PM offices first thing Monday morning and then hopefully if you or your hubby called the surgeon he might prescribe for you until your pm appointment. I know you've said your gp doen't do cp, but could he prescribe for you until your pm appointment?
As for the weekend, I would take whatever you have to get through and if you have to, you can explain to the pm doc. I'm sure he has seen this kind of thing happen quite often before and as long as you have a prescription for it I don't think it would be a problem. I know it's easier said than done, but maybe one of these new docs will be the answer for you.
If you can, take some nice relaxing baths, add some good smelling stuff, (lavender is good for de-stressing) if you have it. Take what you need to manage the pain as best you can. I'll be thinking about you.
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I stinks but it is true that many of us, me included, have had surgeons do this to us.
I think you would do okay going into the ER, take your med bottle, and tell them you need something to get you through the few days between now and when you can get in somewhere to see a PM doc, the ER can not only give you some percocets to help get through, they may be able to get you a referral to a local PM that will go through faster.
When my surgeon did this to me, he (without calling me) called the pharmacy but instead of my lortab 7.5 refill, he called me in 30 tylenol 3's and the bottle said take one per day as needed for pain.
Luckily I was able to go to my primary, but a month later he retired and moved, and I had to go to the ER until I could find a new doctor, they were really nice, the doctor there gave me percocets and muscle relaxers for a month and told me to come back if I needed to.
You do NOT deserve to be treated this way, I hope you can find some help soon, dont give up, and vent here all you need to.
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I agree with Fabby....at least you have the norcos. I wouldnt let ANY one know what meds you have besides what this doc has given you. They dont need to know. all they need to know is you are high and dry, and someone has to help you. Is it after 5pm there? and friday to boot.
God, I thought I had it bad. Sammy, did I miss something but didnt the osteo tell you shed help you if you got with a PM doc? Im sorry if Im wrong, but I think she is your best bet right now. Cant you call her even on call this weekend and tell her what is going on??? sorry if IM missing something, but you ned to take whatever you have to stave off the w/d. Remember, deperate times call for desperate measures, and when you have no choice, you simply have to look out for YOU. At this point I wouldnt be afraid of messing up with a PM doc you dont even have yet. All you can do is take care of you right now. Im stunned as well...I feel horrible for you. Your letter could have been me, if my doc werent able to help me when I just lost it on the phone with him yesterday. I really knew it was my last chance, and I went for broke...you know we are here for you.
xoxoxox,
IZZY'SMOM
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Honestly, this happened to me last September 2007 and I don't think I will ever completely trust any doctor again. In fact, I was just telling my hubby on the way home from the doctors today can I rely on my GP? One never knows but one should always follow the rules and take your medicine as dispensed which you have done. However, even if one does this it does not mean that you will not be terminated suddenly. However, I would like to hope that this will help you and that if you go in and talk to the surgeon he will at least give you a prescription to tide you over.
In my heart, I can't help but wonder if this something was misinterpeted or stated to the doctor thru the nurse and it was not what you said. Especially since he told you that he would prescribe until you go to PM. I believe Steve has been saying one should talk to the doctor face to face re: meds and it is starting to become very clear to me that this is true.
Honey, I hope that you know you have alot of friends here willing to support you. I would really try to turn it over to the LORD and take your meds this weekend. I just feel confident that things will work out for you. As much pain as you are having, I am sure the ER will come thru for you at least.
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"I some how think if he wanted to give me enough to get be he would have done so."
Sammy, you cannot assume this. What you need is obviously not on the surgeons mind. You have to tell them what you need. You call Monday. I would ask for an immediate appt. even if they have to fit you in.
You tell the surgeon, "I need a referral to get into a PM as soon as possible. A referral from your office will help me get an appt. quicker, and you will also know when my appt. is. Then I also need you to continue my medication until I have my appt. with the PM doctor. I have severe pain that is not going away. I understand that due to my severe pain, this specialist may be better trained to treat my needs at this time. I am taking your advice and going to see the PM specialist. However, due to the severe pain I am having, I need you to continue my pain medication until that time. I am already suffering enough, even with the medication. I do not need to suffer further while I await my appt. from withdrawals and unmanageable pain. Thank you very much for treating me as long as you have, and I would appreciate a prompt referral, and enough medication to get me through to my appt."
You need to make your needs very clear to this guy. Tell him exactly what you need. If he does it, and he should, who the heck cares what he thinks of you afterward.
Sammy, I am so very sorry. I have been through this myself with a surgeon. I had the very same above conversation with my surgeon, and while I could tell he didn't like it, (ego maniac) he did it, and that's what's important. Good luck sweetie. This will all get better, I promise. This too shall pass, it won't always be this hard.
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Originally Posted by 123dietdrpepper
In my heart, I can't help but wonder if this something was misinterpeted or stated to the doctor thru the nurse and it was not what you said. Especially since he told you that he would prescribe until you go to PM. I believe Steve has been saying one should talk to the doctor face to face re: meds and it is starting to become very clear to me that this is true.
Honey, I hope that you know you have alot of friends here willing to support you. I would really try to turn it over to the LORD and take your meds this weekend. I just feel confident that things will work out for you. As much pain as you are having, I am sure the ER will come thru for you at least.
I agree...look what happened to me with the pharmacist who interpreted her words from the doc and delivered them to me. I now have about 4 new ulcers...Im checking back every few minutes to see how you are doing....What is your hubby thinking??
xoxoxox,
IZZY'SMOM
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One more thing....I agree with Izzy and Fabby....no one needs to know that you have ANYTHING. That is YOUR emergency stash and believe me, if anyone knows you have it, they will make you take it and write you off. Also, what you do, and what meds you take now are not going to hurt you with a new pain doctor. In my appt. they don't care what you took in the past. They just ask to get an idea of what works and what doesn't. You are not under contract with them until you sign one! Hope that helps!
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Why does this crap happen on Fridays?
I would agree with Diet in that I wonder if something was misinterpreted. I would have your husband call the Doc @ 8AM on Monday and ask to talk to the Doc directly. Tell the receptionist that it's an emergency. When the Doc calls, have your husband tell him that it was his understanding that the surgeon would care for his wife for 3 months and if the pain didn't subside, refer her to PM. And, for god's sake, if something has changed and the time period has been moved up, could he at least show some compassion and keep her comfortable until her first PM appointment? I would plead, beg, or whatever I had to.
If the Doc doesn't call back by lunch, I'd call again. If not by 4PM, I'd call again....And so on. If he doesn't call back on Monday, I'd show up Tuesday AM and ask to see him in between appts when he was first available....I'd sit there all day if needed. At some point, you need to use his own words against him. In the meantime, I'd try to get an appointment with one of the two Docs.
I'd also follow Izzy's recommendation of taking the Norcos to stay out of WD. Depending on the strength, 2 Norcs are roughly equal to 1 Per. So, if you've got 40 Norcos, it's approximately 20 Percs.
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Sammy there has been some good advise here. I can only add that your husband needs to get mad as heck and let this surgeon have it first thing Monday am. Point out to him what he said and tell him to live up to his end of the deal! I just had a thought, if you happened to have a lawyer handy. Now that would be a phone call this idiot would take. Praying for ya.
Fred
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One more thing.....Depending on how the conversation goes between your husband and the Doc, I'm not so sure that I wouldn't tell him he has a ethical obligation to see you through to the PM Doc....Especially since you PAID him to do surgery, and it hasn't addressed your pain issue.
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Thanks guys, I keep telling myself dont panic. Yes Ex. always happens on a Friday, always. NOt only will I not be able to use my arms but my breathing will go haywire, has from the very beginning with this, I am not sure why, but has popped up with others with the myofascial, that is my biggest worry.
I have the name of four PMs to choose from of course how to choose now? The osteo recommended 3, surgeon 2, one is recommeded by both, but he is the DO. Two have websites, a couple are anastheseologists (spelled wrong), one a rehab, one an MD(dont know his speciality), one is a DO, his name has come up more then once, the thing is some DO's are very conserative with meds & that scares me. Like the Osteo, she does not prescribe meds at all.
I can ask her if she calls about the DO, but she may not call till monday evening & have to try to get an appointment quick, if I cant maybe she can or maybe the surgeon will help after my husband speaks to them, llike I said the office did not know if he was going to help me get in. I am still worried about my shoulders, obviously he's not if he discharged me.
I know I told the office I needed him to give me a Muscle Relaxer to, maybe that did it, but he knew I was on a Muscle relaxer from urgent care, & come on he is the one who confirmed the diagnosis for mysfascial damage, as far as I know a MR is pretty important for that. I don't think he would give the name of a pm if he did not believe I was in alot of pain. Of course that does me no good now.
My husband rubbed my upper back & shoulder down with oils, love the peppermint last night & I was out like a light. to stressed out.
He did say he is calling the surgeon monday & is furious that he would cut me off because of wihtdrawl. The osteo also said I should be in PM & maybe that got him I just don't know, but this is terrable. It took me to mid june to get an appointment so no way would they squeeze me in, not a over friendly office. The strange thing is that his assistant said wed. that I should not be left to deal with that much pain, I was in so much pain I could barely talk. So I do not get why he would do this. I feel like going in there & slapping all my meds down & telling them. I lowered my own dose of oxy, it did not agree with me. I know & we all know why this happens & everyone of these doctors have a fear factor, I can see why, but here I am being so dang careful. Heck I should have raised my dose along time ago which the surgeon said I could as long as I followed what was on the bottle, I was to afraid of this happening.
I listed the meds I have, is there a safe combination of what I have that will help me till I get into PM? god I hope its fast. I am praying my husband gets through to him on monday but lets face it he can do what he wants.
Should my husband mention withdrawl? I am telling noone about what I have at home, good thing I have something. The only problem I have is my bp can run low (hypotenstion) so I have to be careful. That is why I could not take the oxy more then once aday & why I am so careful with the muscle relaxers. I am going to try spacing the Muscle relaxers 2hrs from the pain meds through the weeked. I am also going to try saving the rest of the perco. for mornings. I am still in pain after taking the 1 perc., after I will try 11/2 norco & stay on the MR & perhaps motrin. What do you think? I am desperate here for some opinions.
I have 5 teenagers for the weekend & my birthday is sunday, Happy birthday to me, it will definantly be one I remember.
Please everyone let me know what you think about the PMs & what combination I can safely use to get by of the meds. I don't want to call the pharmacist, I don't even trust them. Thanks Sammy
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Sammy darlin', I am so sorry this has happened. What a jerk this guy is! I'm sorry I wasn't on last night, when all this came to a head.
First, I can't give you better info on how to handle this than the rest. I agree that you need to take whatever you have to get you through. If you have the Norco, then by all means, use it. Whatever you have to, to keep from going into W/D's.
First thing Mon. am, call the PM doc that is an anesthesiologist or the Phys Med & Rehab guy. They are generally very open to Rx'ing opiates/opioids. Plus they really do have the best understanding of pain. It is what they are specifically trained to do.
Just explain to whoever answers the phone that you are in a crisis situation. Let them know that your surgeon had been treating your pain and had finally diagnosed you with CMP. Let them know that he recommended that you should start seeing a PM doc, and then just dropped you, cold, without any refills on the meds he had been Rx'ing. If the first place can't see you right away, then call the next.
If all else fails and for whatever reason you are not able to get in to see one of these docs, have your husband do as the others have said and call the surgeon. He should be furious, as should you. Now is not the time to be worried about stepping on this #$$@&^'s toes. You didn't create this mess. He did. Or someone on his staff did. Nobody could rightly accuse you of doctor shopping in this situation. Hell, it's not like you are looking for meds from 5 different docs at the same time. You are just looking for one kind soul to be compassionate and take care of you.
I wish there was something more I could say or do. I do know this much....you have to try to stay as calm as you can right now. I know that is easier said than done, but the stress will not help your pain. It will only make it worse. Especially myofascial pain. What mg. of flexaril do you have? (If you have any left) If it is the lower dose, take 2 if you have to. It will probably make you extra sleepy, but right now, if that is the trade-off, then so be it. It should also help with your stress. You said your GP might give you a shot? If so, then let him.
I am praying for you so loud right now. I feel absolutely horrible that you are going through this. I am here for you, for whatever you need. And let those girls have a free-for-all, if need be. You need your rest. I'll try to check in as often as possible. It is lousy with rain and humidity today, so I am on "super go slow" today. God bless you my friend. Do what you need to do for you right now. Sending you warm gentle hugs, CMP/MM
