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Old 02-06-2009, 02:12 PM   #1
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I injured myself. any idea's?

Hey all I have not been around much as I Am unable to sit at the computer do to a strange injury I have with my right arm, neck and shoulder.

well it started about 10 days ago when I was shutting the trunk on my car with grocery bags in the same arm I was using to close the trunk. Somehow I pulled a muscle in my shoulder and my bicep muscle. I do have herniated discs in my neck that do flare up several times a year but this is much worse than my initial whip lash injury in 2002. my symptoms are in my right arm ( the bicep area) into my shoulder and neck. I have huge knots on my right side only and can't move my arm, up, or straight out. the pain is so bad its keeping me up at night. I am taking loads of Motrin and some old muscle relaxers I have on hand that are not helping me. at all, but I know this is muscular so I need some muscle relaxers and something to bring the inflammation down. I am on MS Contin for CP for my low back area but for some reason this isn't covering my pain well with this new injury. It is odd as it helps my pain in lumbar a ton. I am using ice, and heat both, and I have gone through an entire tube of Icy-hot that stuff you rub on that smells terrible that goes from hot to cold as well as a tub of biofreeze. I sure do smell bad. . I am not sure what I have injured as its both my bicep and my shoulder area and neck all on the right side. I called my PM today because I just couldn't take the pain anymore. and I can't wait until my apt which is next Wednesday. I asked him for a strong anti inflammatory and some muscle relaxers as I am taking 600 mgs of Motrin 3 times a day. he called me in zanaflex and naproxen, I cannot wait until its ready I have suffered long enough with this pain. I sure hope they help me as I cannot escape my pain.
I also can't sleep on my right side at all which is messing up my low back some too. I think Neck pain is much more painful than low back pain so I feel for anyone with cervical pain where you can't move your neck.

It is crushing pain in my arm that moves into my shoulder and I am unable to turn my neck at all.

Of coarse I called my Dr early this morning on Friday to see if I could come in but he just called me back now as he didn't get my message. I have taken all of my B/T meds for the month, I am allowed up to 4 a day and he didn't give me enough this month for some reason and I didn't even notice until I started counting days and noticing I am down to 4 pills. I will run out by tomorrow. My Dr is so compassionate he called me in some Vicadin as well as the other meds. Its been so long since I have taken Vicadin that I am not sure if it will help my pain but I guess its better than nothing.. I am going to ask him for an injection next week to see if it will help me. He does TP injections so I am going to get one for sure if he thinks it will help me. Any idea's on what I can do to relieve these knots?

Does anyone have any idea what muscle I have pulled? I have no idea what I have done to myself, its no picnic, I will tell you that. I am a very busy gal, I like to clean my house every day, play with my dogs and go for walks, but am unable to do anything as I am to afraid to hold a leash and have my dogs yank my neck. so I have been just sitting iddle for 10 days in pain. I am at a full 7-8 even on my daily LA meds with B/T meds so I am very nervous I have done something serious to myself. Like pulled a tendon. I read that a bicep injury can be really painful and serious so I am a bit nervous about this. The pain started in my arm and within 3 days moved into my shoulder and neck so the whole thing is strange.

I hope the rest of you are doing better than I am. I want to rip my arm off as the pain is that bad. I am not even able to drive as I can't turn my neck. this is day 10 of this constant never ending pain. calgon take me away.

Thanks, SS

 
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Old 02-06-2009, 03:14 PM   #2
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Re: I injured myself. any idea's?

Youch Slip!
I dont know what you did, but I can relate to not wanting to sit around. I hope you feel better soon, and someone will chime in here and be able to tell you what you may have done.
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Hi SlipperySlope,
I'm sorry you're hurt.. have you ever heard of torticollis? I used to have flareups multiple times a year for about 2-3 yrs, before being diagnosed (since then, I've been diagnosed with MS, and 3 herniated discs in my neck). Here's a link for torticollis...
[url]http://www.emedicinehealth.com/torticollis/article_em.htm[/url]

Don't be thrown off by it being considered a problem mostly found in infants and newborns... I found that massage therapy helped a lot (along with warm compresses, anti-inflammatories, and rest.

Good Luck, and I hope you find relief soon.

 
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Re: I injured myself. any idea's?

it could be a couple of different possibilities actually. you do need better definition of what is at the root of all this. there is a possibility here that you actually managed to tear a rotator cuff tendon,the one that runs across the very top of our shouler to the base of the neck(this 'supraspinatus' is the most commonly torn of all tendons within that cuff area. this is the one i tore completley)? this could explain alot about the areas of involvement you mentioned. or,and i am dealing with this in both shoulders right now,just found out yesterday when i saw my myofascial release guy for the first time again since dec? i actually have an impinged ulnar nerve in BOTH shoulders. all i did the other day was kind of push my arm at a bit of an anlge ito a very stretchy type of turtle neck sweater? i immediately felt like a small, 'pull right IN my shoulder towards the back? and then it just felt like a cramp developed in there somewhere. once that happened,the area of involvement ran down my arm down to the back of my elbow in that crease in the back and just kind of hurt and tightened up on me. i didn;t realize that i had an actual trigger point(this is what caused my impingment to begin with) until i tried the old tennis ball in a sock thing with pushing it ito the area right above my armpit. i knew as soon as i felt that old familiar pain that it was some form of TP that developed in there. it was not til yesterday when my myo guy started feeling,trying to do my ROMS and doing the releases on me that he knew for sure i had impinged that nerve in there. we are currently working on the left shoulder thru next tuesday to try and release that dang nerve,. he did manage to fix the right one which i have absolutely no idea when or how that one happened, i just have had an very real increase in my shoulder pain and loss of ROM since i had not been just able to have my normal weekly release for well over two months. my right shoulder is the one where i had to have the rotator cuff surgery last year right about this time. i really lost alot of ROM that i had actually gotten back over the months of rehab just within these past two months which i did have back until my therepy stopped becasue i needed new referals post new year. it has been rather hellish for the last couple months up there. this also affected my c spine in a very HUGE way with everything up there just overly tightend up on me. my c spine is already one huge mess,this just made everything ten times worsone way or another,you DO need to get to a doc for this(do you have an orhto you have seen before?) and getting an MRI done on thatshouler area really would help alot in just seeing how that whole rotator area actually is doing. believe me,there are soo many people running around out there with some pretty extensive problems within that cuff area just from ongoing wear and tear damage that takes plce during out daily living or from the course of our jobs over the years. i know i had had damage in my right shoyulder,but man did i ever have alot of crappy things that were wrong that needed surgical intevention to fix. you just really need that area much better and more clearly defined for any real damage at this point. sammy went thru this same thing that came alot from just doing her job,just like i had done to me. if you also have dogs at home,just think back to how much stress and strain they have placed upon your shoulder over time. that matters too,trust me on that one. i would just see your doc and hoefully he will send you for that MRI,espescially if your ROMS are at all impaired rightnow. that is just the level of look see you eed right now ss. it just really does sound to me like you indeed did definitely suffer a very real level of actual injury in there,it would really just take that MRI to really indentify what may be alot more damage than you may think. both my MRI and sammys were alot worse than we thought we had in there upon MRI revealing it. you just really need to know where the status of your shoulder is at right now so you can create a treatment plan in the best way suited to you and your damage. i do wish you lots of luck with this ss,and hope things are not too overly bad up there. please keep us posted. Marcia
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Old 02-07-2009, 12:31 PM   #5
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Re: I injured myself. any idea's?

SS....
I'm so sorry to hear about your new pain problem. I wish I could tell you what to do or what it could be, but i'm not familiar with that area. I've slept wrong a couple times and woke up with excrutiating pain in the shoulder/neck area which lasted about a week, but thats about it. I just wanted to let you know that i'm here for support as always. Please keep us posted on how your appt. goes and what this is? Just what we need is another problem that causes pain on top of everything else we all suffer from, right?.
Get some rest and take care, i'll keep checking back for updates.
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Old 02-07-2009, 01:39 PM   #6
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Hey guys for some reason I am a lot better today but I am not going to get excited because this happened one day last week and than the very next day the pain was back. I have been taking the narpoxen and the zanaflex so maybe its helping some, but I don't think it would help this fast as I have only had 3 doses so far. I will take what I can get. I am taking it really easy and have not done anything strenuous today. We have temps in the high
60's so this is a huge change from 20's that we have had all week our weather in NC can change by 30-40 degrees in one day amazing isn't it? It felt so good to sit in my lounge chair in the yard with my dogs and just feel the sun on my face and body I am not used to this cold weather being a native californian. Its supposed to last a few more days. Maybe weather has something to do with it as well. Anyhow I to was wondering if it was a rotator cuff issue as it effects my arm, shoulder and neck. I am going to go and read up on what the symptoms are like, thanks Feelbad for your info. thanks so much everyone. Have a great day and I hope your weather is warm as well

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Ouch SS sounds like you did it good. I would lean towards:
1. Bad neck muscle strain
2. Rotator cuff
3. C5 injury

Along with the meds and 2-3 days REST Use an ice pack at 2 spots- the deltoid 20min on/off rotating this for a couple hours with the back of your neck 20 mins on/off at the bottom of the curve at the hump. See if that calms the throb down. That's the approx nerve pathway for C5 at two key points of irritation.Feel better! NP

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Old 02-08-2009, 05:20 AM   #8
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SS-
I am glad you are feeling a bit better and hope it continues to heal. I really have no advice here, but wanted to tell you that I do that, same-hand-grocery shutting-door thing ALL the time. Plus, I am trying to get my 2 and 4 yr old in the house at the same time. I really pushed it the other day and did this with bags that were much too heavy. After I was inside, I was cursing myself (silently of course) for doing this. One stupid move by me could take me down for weeks!!!

So, I wanted to thank you for sharing your story. I am sorry you are in pain, but it was a BIG wake-up call for me.

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SS-
I am glad you are feeling a bit better and hope it continues to heal. I really have no advice here, but wanted to tell you that I do that, same-hand-grocery shutting-door thing ALL the time. Plus, I am trying to get my 2 and 4 yr old in the house at the same time. I really pushed it the other day and did this with bags that were much too heavy. After I was inside, I was cursing myself (silently of course) for doing this. One stupid move by me could take me down for weeks!!!

So, I wanted to thank you for sharing your story. I am sorry you are in pain, but it was a BIG wake-up call for me.

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Re: I injured myself. any idea's?

so glad something is feeling better. it would be possible to have at least the motrin kick in rather quickly so it could be helping more than you think right now. one thing i wanted to ask you is do you have ANY confirmed c spine issues or damage up there at all? if you don't things could just all be rotator crap,if you do or have never had that area checked out with an MRI,it wouldn't hurt to have both your c spine and that shoulder MRIed at the very same time. there is pain and tendon problems you can get "just" from that rotator area alone,as wll as geting c spine issues alone, but if you have both,like myself and sammy do,it can make things quite miserable up there since the shoulder and the c spine share alot of nerves and any problems within your c spine could be sending out signals to the muscles of your shoulder,and blade area,and also affecting your ROMS too.

just getting both your c spine and the rotator area on that side MRIed would be one true way of just knowing if this is a very isolated shoulder problem or something being "fueled' by possible c spine issues as well. i know both mine and sammys were. it does suck. have those ROMS come back at all or are they still non existant? Marcia
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Old 02-08-2009, 03:38 PM   #11
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Hi Feelbad. Yes I do have 2 disc herniations in my C spine I had an MRI back in 2003. both CS-C6 are both herniated from a pretty bad whip lash accident I had in 2002, about 8 months after I had lumbar surgery. I was hit from behind by a guy going about 55-60 mph and I had really bad neck pain for about 2 years, I did a year of PT and it didn't help me at all I also did a chiropractor and worked with a PM Dr so I had the lumbar pain and the Cervical pain at the same time, that was a very dark time for me. It finally setteled down but I have to be careful as it does flare up several times a year, I also have a nerve impigement issue in my neck but the DR said I am not a surgical canidate. I also have fibromyalgia which was confirmed very recently and is getting worse with pain in my knee's and elbows as well as the low back and now my neck. I also suffer from CP in my lumbar area into my sciatic region and my leg and right foot 24/7 so I am a mess. today was another good day for my arm and neck area, it seems to be a LOT better, I am so thankful that I think I pulled a muscle and its healing on its own now THANK GOD. I am so grateful that its clearing up.
Thanks again for all your words of wisdon you are a smart lady. I really feel for you having such a bad neck and shoulder. you have my sympathy for what you live with every day of your life, its got to be just miserable for you to have pain in both area's all the time, 2 weeks was enough for me with the arm and neck and shoulder, when I had my auto accident the pain was very different. at first I was stiff and than after a few months I had shoulder muscle pain with huge knots that would never go away, I am so glad after 2 years it went away. I am glad you have a good PM Dr and a good Therapist that helps your pain.

All the best to you,

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hi slippery,

Glad you are feeling better! Geez, you had an accident 8 months after a lumbar surgery wowwwwww, thats no good at all, I am so sorry for you. I cannot imagine the pain you must have been in. I had cervical herniations too and it is very painful. When you cant move your head on account of it hurting your neck, its terrible. I finally had mine fixed and my neck is much better after 2 cervical surgeries. So sorry you cant get that fixed And you have CP in your lumbar area as well. Sheesh, you are in a mess.....I am so sorry....but I am glad you are feeling better! Do you take nerve pain med? For the scaitic prob? I am on Lyrica but havent been on it a real long time as of yet. Well hopefully you will remain free of the other pain you was having....

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thanks for the 'words" ss. i am just wondering if that MRI that was done wayy back in 2003 has ever been redone just to check for overall progression of what was actually there back then? if not,it would REALLY be a good idea to have this area rechecked,just so you know what it is that you may be dealing with up there. believe me,ALOT can change within our spines even in as little as six months time. most specialists,when you have any consults or evals with them actually want a recent (within the last six months time) MRI just for that reason alone. i can almost guarentee you that you DO have some level of changes there in all this time that has passsed or even newer findings that simply were not even there back then. its just the nature of spinal problems,most are progressive in nature. tho you may not have been a surgical candidate back in 2003,that may be very different now,you know what i mean?

i really am happy for you that things have improved alot,but just for the future here,if you should start feeling this happen again or find new ickys happening up there,getting that comparative MRI done really would be a very good idea. at least it would show you what is there now. just an FYI for ya. hope things continue upwards for you ss. just watch those doggy 'jerks' they can cause some really horrid problems for people with spinal or shoulder issues. been there done that one,little sneaky critters. marcia
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Marcia, I have 3 dogs. 2 boxers and a boston terrier who is little. I don't walk the one boxer that pulls as that is hubbies deal. I am lucky that mine don't pull but some of my past dogs really did pull and your right they can really hurt your neck. I have worked really hard to get my 2 to not pull. the 3rd one is a lost cause so I don't like to walk her... I will get another MRI if this happens again, what a good idea, so far I Am so much better I got very lucky I thought for sure this would not go away since it took 2 weeks. I am still paying for my husbands MRI he had last year. our insurance does not cover them, can you beleive it? not until we have met an 8k dollar deductable so I would have to pay for it and hubby's cervical MRI was a 1,000k. ouch.
at least right now all of my meds are free if I get generics.
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I had to chuckle. A Boston Terrier that is "little?" Bwahahaa! A tank is more like it.

Mine could pull you miles, they are a challenge. I have two on the leash, and one who I dont have to put on a leash. Actually she sits down if you put a harness or leash on her. She always stays by my side, so no worries. A dog that pulls is just horrible for a CP patient.
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