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Old 07-29-2002, 02:11 PM   #1
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I'm currently being treated for chronic pain in my back (result of ruptured disc's) and I'm curious as to how people supplement time release medication with Break Thru meds. They have my on Duragesic 75 mcg. every 48 hrs. and have provided Norco 10/325 for break thru pain. They told me to use the Norco for when I really have that break thru type pain, other then that they did not really elaborate as to timing.

Curious as to if people use this every day once a day or twice a day or once a week etc.... ?
The way my back feels I could use it every day, the Duragesic patch seems to help fairly well but there are times in the day where the pain just gets so bad. Seems like I could take the Norco everyday. Just curious for some feedback. If I'm off my rocker then write me off as a looney. Just feel the pain management group haven't been as helpful as I'd like them to be and at this point and after reading all the horror stories here about losing help I just don't want to screw up anything with my pain management team.

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Old 07-29-2002, 05:53 PM   #2
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Hey Pain, I use BT meds every day. I take 600mgs of kadian a day and with a 24 hour med it's not like I can adjust the schedule to give me the added relief I need in the evening. So I use them every night. I also need something occasionally in the day time if I'm going to be doing an activity which will be hard to manage.

I would think the quantity given and the way it's written should be your guide. If it' written take 1 tablet every 6-8 hours for BT pain and he gives you 60, I would say that is your month "30 day" supply, It's 2 a day sometimes 3 sometimes one as long as it last you a month. What were the instructions on the bottle or does it just say use as needed? It should still have a days supply calculated on the pharmacy bag.

For ins. purposes they tell you how long it should last, so they can deny early refills.LOL More info would help but isn't a substitute for being clear with your doc.

By the way, I'm given 90 pills a month and it's written take one pill every 6-8 hours as needed for pain. The ins says this is a 30 day supply but the pharmacist has a little control. You could say that reads up to 4 a day then it's less than a 30 day supply, but the pharmacist actually calculates that and should be on your paperwork.

It's something worth keeping an eye on so the pharmacist isn't turning a 20 day supply into a 30 on you. IT could cost you some money if the pharmacist isn't calculating DS correctly. This can happen easily especially with smaller scripts.

For example a script for 24 Norco. It's written take one pill every 4-6 hours. It's up to the pharmacist to decide whether that's 4 pills a day or 6 pills. My pharmacist looks out for me but I have met pharmacist that say your sleeping 8 hours a day and 4 a day is appropriate. So that script is a 6 day supply in one pharmacist eyes and and a 4 day in anthers. My wife is in the Biz.LOL

If you show up 4 days later looking for a refill you may be told ins won't pay until the next day or even the 6th day depending on the ins and the pharmacist. Pharmacists have the ability to override, and push scripts through in some cases. Sorry didn't mean to turn this into a pharmacy topic.

My pharmacist knows me and how my doc works and realizes that my scripts are 30 day supplies. So there is no misunderstanding there. I figure as long as I have something at the end of the month I'm doing OK. LOL Good luck and welcome, David

 
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I see what you are saying David. The doctor can write 4 times a day and the pharmacists has some leeway to interpert. My doctor puts down the full # of pills.

You are not crazy, many people take b/t every day. In fact it is part of their regime. I think there are good reasons to do this. Like the patch is bumpy or you have a daily pain surge. Or you need more but don't want to go up to the next patch size. David often says that mixing opiates is helpful.

I do wonder if so many are on so much b/t medication because their docs won't up their base dose. For me, the whole idea of long-acting medication was to get away from the ups and downs and additives of the short-acting b/t drugs. I would rather have enough base medication for most days and use b/t for emergencies. But that is me and I get rebound headaches from the short-acting stuff. Plus I find I get tolerant to it fast.

My perference aside, it is extremely common to be on it all the time. It is reasonble to bring it up. You sound nervous about how your doctor will react if you need a refill at the end of the month. Regardless of what that wrote on the bottle, they said use it for really bad pain. In which case they may not be expecting you to ask for refill at the end of the month.

I hear the fear in your words. I remember being nervous about asking for my monthly refills. Generally, I would say if they wrote it for a month, then you can use it. Perhaps it would be safer to let this guy know before you move to every day.

Sounds like they have under-estimated what you need on a normal day. So perhaps he will up your patch or say just take the Narco. Would that you did not have to panic about having the converstation.

Good luck. It is normal to prescribe b/t drugs for every day. I can't tell if this guy will be cool, but you are not asking for anything unusual.
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Old 07-30-2002, 09:53 AM   #4
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Thanks David and Jane, your thoughts are well received. And yes Jane your sense of fear in my post is accurate. I am a tab bit afraid to say anything to the pain mgt doc as I do not want to upset the apple cart. For the first time in along time I'm getting real treatment that is providing some level of effectiveness. I do not want to lose what I have. SO I really appreciate the help you and David have given.

The other thing that really bothers me is my stomach does not seem to handle Norco or the Vicoprofen well anymore. I get nauseous when I take them. The patch doesn't seem to bother me at all, no sickness, not sleepy or drowsy, not light headed and no constipation. Should I tell them this fact and ask for a medication that does not have the aspirin, acetaminophen or ibuprofen in them. Not sure what this would be as I'm not very experienced with the medication used for BT.

Thanks again for your help and any additional help you can provide.

 
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i have a lot of b/t pain too. i have arthritis in my back.i am on a pain contol regime of ultram 2 x day and as needed. i also take vioxx for the arthritis daily. then i have vicoden or darvocet for the b/t pain. i use my b/t meds at least daily and sometimes twice.i usually get 30 pills at a time. and i too try to make it stretch for 30 days but have had to have refills in 20 days. my pharmacist is really good at passing stuff thru my insurance for me too. my dr. knows that i need the pain control and work with me very well. so take a chance and at least use it 1 time a day..good luck

 
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