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Old 06-11-2011, 07:35 AM   #1
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Most CPers stories here about rude docs and pharmacists sound like lies.

I gotta admit that before I had the displeasure of dealing with doctors and pharmacists for chronic pain I would find these stories hard to believe. They all sound very exaggerated and simply untrue.

But now that I have walked in the CP patient's shoes for a while, having experienced the treatment firsthand, I no longer have a single doubt that the stories are not true.

So think about that for a moment. What does it say about what really goes on in a doctor's office and pharmacies when it comes to chronic pain patients and how they are so often treated? People being treated with such disrespect and prejudice that the truth sounds completely unbelievable?

 
Old 06-11-2011, 09:44 AM   #2
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Re: Most CPers stories here about rude docs and pharmacists sound like lies.

Case in point:

I've been through heck and back for the last 7 months now. GP said he wasn't comfortable managing chronic pain, referred me to a PM doctor who said take the facet injection or find another place to go. I submitted to it, pain got worse, refused another and that was it. I was offered more injections but no pain meds. This was in December a few weeks prior to Christmas, so I got to suffer withdrawals during the holiday. Not fun.

I swore off all doctors after that and decided to just take OTC pain relief, at least as long as I could handle it. My stomach, or more like entire abdomen up to my chest, has been killing me as a result I think.
A few weeks ago I started passing a lot of blood and what looks to me like globs of snot/mucus, clear in color, but having blood within it.
My back got a whole lot worse so I had another MRI done that showed a damaged and inflamed nerve that wasn't there prior to the facet injection, which was causing the new acute pain.
Did the injection cause it? Probably, but I can't prove it.

So... I decided to give one more doctor a go, and with the blessings of my GP to do so. On the recommendation of a friend I decided to see a NP whom he was certain could/would treat chronic pain without treating people like addicts so long as they had documented history - MRIs, no record of med abuse, etc.

Got my appt, went in and the nurse began the usual questions. When I told her I wanted the doctor to treat me for my back, not exactly a second opinion so much as a fresh start, she asked, why?

Told her my GP wasn't comfortable with it and said I could see this doctor if I wanted to. Well, it was nasty from there. (I should have known better, but I was hopeful and optimistic)
She was shaking her head and said it wasn't adding up, that she wasn't getting the whole story. I didn't lie, not once.
She was almost becoming belligerent when she asked me what medication I was taking. I told her nothing but OTC stuff. Then she asked what I was taking before that and I told her 15mg percocet every 12 hours and she just freaked out.
She loudly told me, almost yelling but not quite, that the office didn't even prescribe narcotics and I needed to see a pain specialist. So I told her about that, with the injections and all, and she started threatening to call the clinic and check my story with them. She left the room for a few minutes and came back in, telling me that this doctor was a nurse practitioner and didn't even know why I was there to see her instead of a GP or PM doctor.
At that point I just kinda threw my hands up in the air and gave up. I said I was there because a friend said I should at least consult with them.
I don't even remember what else she said in her tirade, but at the end of it she told me that I couldn't even see or speak with the doctor, I had to go and I could collect back my co-pay at the front desk.
Of course, everyone in the office was staring at me, employees and waiting patients alike.
And all this in front of my son and daughter who were home for the day so they had to tag along. They're both young, 5 and 3, so I hope they didn't understand any of it, but it still really made me angry.

The next day my GP called and said he read the report from the other office and that he was sorry for how things went and that I didn't do anything wrong. Just a mix up... yeah, sure.

Now, if I told anyone else about that day, they would probably think it far fetched or that I was there to scam them for meds and got shot down. But on my mother's life, what I said happened was the honest to God truth.

Perhaps the worst part was the fact that I DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY MEDICATION. I didn't even mention it aside from answering her questions about previous meds.

Ain't much anyone can do about it, though. It's just how it is I guess.

 
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Old 06-11-2011, 10:24 AM   #3
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Re: Most CPers stories here about rude docs and pharmacists sound like lies.

Brokend, When you say that you passed blood, do you mean in your urine? If so, this could mean you have a problem, like an infection or stones in your kidneys, ureters, bladder or urethra. You may want to have your regular doc take a urinalysis and go from there. If there is a problem in this area, it could very well be the cause of at least some of your back problems. I'm not a doctor, but I know enough to know that blood in the urine is a bad sign and needs immediate attention...janiee.

 
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Re: Most CPers stories here about rude docs and pharmacists sound like lies.

No, not in the urine. The other one.

 
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O.K., so IF you're talking about your bowel movements containing blood, then you still need to discuss this with your primary care doctor. It could be something as simple as hemmorhoids or something worse; that's why the need for a discussion with your doc. Take care, janiee

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Re: Most CPers stories here about rude docs and pharmacists sound like lies.

Okay, I have to say 2 things:

1. Why in the world would you go to a Nurse Practioner for pain management? It's almost impossible for GP's to do pain management these days, there's no way a nurse practioner could do it.

2. Yes there are lots of folks on here who give docs and pharmacies a bad rap, and I suppose they deserve them. But rarely does anyone give good credit to the docs and pharmacies that are great and treat their patients with caring and respect....and believe me there are plenty of them out there that do.

okay, thats my 2 cents. I hope you find a great doc to handle your pain, and i agree with the other poster, you really need to have your stomach checked out. All of that tylenol/advil/aspirin whatever OTC stuff you've been taken has probably done some damage.

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isnt it terrible! I was with a cp sufferer for years, and this one time the pharmacist wouldnt even fill him a script of panamax... later that day I was a bit wheezy, and couldnt find my inhaler.The chemist had just close, but it was a small town and had an after hours bell. I rang it and the pharmacist came and said he would fill my script for ventolin...while he was doing that I politly asked him in all respect why he wouldnd help us earlier, and he aggressively threw my script in my face and said' well if you didnt like that, try this,' and physically manhandled me out the door in my confusion. I had an asthma attack right there on the street while he locked the door behind me and I was crying hysterically...a passerby who knew a friend of mine stopped and bundled me into their car and took me to my friends place for help...I was so furious, that later when I was busy, I just felt like burning his shop down, and Im a good person...it was that bad. I felt degraded and humiliated.

 
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Re: Most CPers stories here about rude docs and pharmacists sound like lies.

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Okay, I have to say 2 things:

1. Why in the world would you go to a Nurse Practioner for pain management? It's almost impossible for GP's to do pain management these days, there's no way a nurse practioner could do it.
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So... I decided to give one more doctor a go, and with the blessings of my GP to do so. On the recommendation of a friend I decided to see a NP whom he was certain could/would treat chronic pain without treating people like addicts so long as they had documented history - MRIs, no record of med abuse, etc.
But yeah, I would have agreed with you about the NP and wouldn't have even considered going there had it not been for the referral from a friend.


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2. Yes there are lots of folks on here who give docs and pharmacies a bad rap, and I suppose they deserve them. But rarely does anyone give good credit to the docs and pharmacies that are great and treat their patients with caring and respect....and believe me there are plenty of them out there that do.
You rarely hear about the docs/pharmacists who are great and treat people very well... largely because they are so rare and uncommon when it comes to CP. I suppose it can and does depend on which region or state you're from, plus a person's age, that plays a significant part in the good/bad experiences.

 
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Re: Most CPers stories here about rude docs and pharmacists sound like lies.

That is just horrible Nightingale! I've read so many stories like yours it just sickens me. It actually makes me want to become a pharmacist just so I can show the others how it's supposed to be done. I've had my share of problems before but nothing as bad as yours. I wish you the best!
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Old 06-16-2011, 02:36 PM   #10
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Re: Most CPers stories here about rude docs and pharmacists sound like lies.

If you would like a clear little window into the thoughts and opinions of an outspoken anonymous pharmacist, check out theangrypharmacist blog online.
Very revealing.

 
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Well I have another story that is NOT made up. I went in for a colonoscopy last week. Just before I got wheeled in for the procedure, the RN came over to me to go over my meds. She saw I had put Tramadol on my medication paperwork (my pain doc prescribes me 100mg 3 times per day). She asked me what my dosage was, and when I told her she said, "my goodness, that's an awfully high dose". I told her that's what I was prescribed by my pain doctor and I have been taking it for years. Then she said to me in a very disapproving tone "Don't you know that Tramadol is a narcotic!". I told her I was well aware that Tramadol had some properties similar to narcotics. Then she said, "you're going to have a terrible time withdrawing from that med". I responded that I was able to taper off from Klonopin successfully in the past, and if I could do that, I could taper off any med. She just shook her head in disbelief and told me that the anesthesiologist might have something to say to me about it. What business was that of hers? The practice she was working for had nothing to do with my meds. The colonoscopy was just a screening, it had nothing to do with my pain condition. Why did she feel the need to lecture me and make me feel like some type of drug addict just minutes before I'm being wheeled in for a very tense and unpleasant procedure? I really felt like telling her to just mind her own business. As it was, the anesthesiologist didn't say a thing about it. I guess she was just a busybody. But I have to say the whole thing left me feeling a bit humiliated since the whole conversation took place in a room full of other patients and medical personnel. Sometimes I just feel like to preserve my dignity I should just go off all my meds and try to deal with the pain.

 
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Did you report the nurse for her unprofessional behaviour towards you and the fact that she was getting into your business that had nothing to do with why you were there that day?

 
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In response to the poster who said that a NP cannot treat chronic pain, that is untrue. My pain is treated by a very highly qualified and amazing NP....I would not even think about seeing anyone else. I am treated with kindness, compassion and dignity. Just wanted to make sure everyone understood not to "write off" a NP as unable to or unqualified to treat chronic pain. The practice does employ a pain management physician who does your initial appointment, but after that I have seen my NP with fantastic results. And yes, I do take narcotics, and I was prescribed them from day one.

 
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Did you report the nurse for her unprofessional behaviour towards you and the fact that she was getting into your business that had nothing to do with why you were there that day?
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No I didn't. Maybe I should have. Other than our conversation about meds, she was a very pleasant person. Obviously she had very strong opinions about narcotic meds (and even pseudo-narcotics like Tramadol) and couldn't resist stating her feelings. It's amazing how many people have strong opinions about this. Over the weekend I was talking to an aquaintance about this and he told me that he believes most chronic pain is psychosomatic and that doctors should not be treating it with any drugs at all. He started preaching to me his anti-drug beliefs telling me that the human body is capable of healing itself naturally if we would just stop feeding it with drugs. I really would like to change places with people like that and see if they would have the same opinion after walking in my shoes for a few days!

 
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I do see a NP and or a PA in pain practice where there IS a Paind Doctor we see at 1st visit or for procedures only

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