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Old 01-10-2005, 11:05 AM   #1
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Why is diazapam so taboo?

I have suffered panic disorder along with chronic anxiety since I was 16 years old. I went two years before Valium was introduced which to me was a miracle drug. The doctors have tried me on every medication they have for anxiety but all made me worse. I cannot take Xanax either. I am now 61 and without my 2 to 5 mg. of diazapam I am a complete basket case. My BP goes way up and my whole nervous system goes crazy, even my motor skills. I went off my medication for 6 months but found myself totally unable to work or participate in any social activities. I have never gone over 10. mg per day(and then very seldom) of this medication but most all doctors seem terrified of the thought of diazapam. I recently moved from SC to NV. My doctor in SC had no problem with my medication but out here I cannot find a doctor who will listen. I have thought of ordering them from the internet. Anyone have any likewise problems and if so what would you suggest I do? All the doctors can say is that it is addictive. Well I say I am addicted after over 30 years of 2 to 5 mg. per day. What about the quality of my life, is that worthless? People with seisure disorder take addictive meds and thats ok. What is the difference? My disorder is every bit as disabeling.

 
Old 01-10-2005, 01:27 PM   #2
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Re: Why is diazapam so taboo?

welcome charlieboogs

IMO there are some people like you for who a benzo is the only answer, Ive heard some psychiatrists admit this, your task is to find one of these, generally older docs and psychs are less antibenzo as they can remember how useful they were

sadly most younger docs have been conditioned, or maybe brainwashed, to prescribe antidepressants only for anxiety and panic attacks, and also brainwashed into believing, quite wrongly that benzos are always addictive for everyone
otherwise you might make regular trips back to see the old doc or try an internet pharmacy

BTW I know of 2 psychs who specialise in panic disorders and both prefer benzos to antidepressants

the new patented antidepressants are much more profitable than benzos, and this may be whats motivating all the current mass hysteria
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Old 01-10-2005, 04:49 PM   #3
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Re: Why is diazapam so taboo?

My goodness, thanks for responding. I have tried all those new fandangled anti depressants and they only made things worse and ran my blood pressure up. Also, seems like some of those drugs can have dangerous side effects, suicide is an example. I try to tell the doctors that I am not depressed like sad just very anxious and nervous. Just one 5 mg of diazapam works. I can go for days wothout even taking any. I believe I will try the internet or take a trip to Mexico. Once again, thanks.

 
Old 01-10-2005, 10:54 PM   #4
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I just talked to my psychiatrist today about whether benzos are really so addictive as people say. Like he said, they are addictive but they are also very helpful. He said people who can stay at the same dose are usually fine. The problem is with the people who are constantly tinkering with the dosage. Up and up, thats the problem. It doesn't sound like you have that problem at all and it says a lot that you often go days without any. You found the dose that works for you and have stuck with it. I would try being more persistant with the docs. Are you seeing a general practitioner or a psych doctor?

 
Old 01-10-2005, 11:42 PM   #5
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Right now I see a psych Dr. I have to pay him $85.00 per month just for a med check which consists of calling in a perscription of 30, 5mg tablets of diazapam. The meds are only $9.00 He won't give me any refills as he wants the monthly $85.00. I am thinking of trying the internet pharmacy. Its hard to find a good doctor.

 
Old 01-11-2005, 12:00 PM   #6
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Re: Why is diazapam so taboo?

good luck, I know several like you who get their benzos on the net

 
Old 01-11-2005, 07:23 PM   #7
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Hi. I have been suffering panic attacks since I was very young. When I was little it was nervous jitters that I always knew weren't "normal", and as got older became shaking if I had to fill out a check in a store. After a full blown panic attack, when I thought I would die of a heartattack, my doctor when I was 17 gave me xanax SP?

Now, I am 36. Since I was 21 i have not had a doctor give me a nerve pill, other than my cardiologist. I finally found a doctor with some sense when I was 29, and he ordered an echiocardiogram, and I wore a heart monitor for 24 hours. He explained that I had mitral valve, that was making me have symptoms of panic disorder. My heart was out of wack in other words. It would race at the sound of thunder. Or someone could knock on my door and I would began to shake like crazy, if i were alone. The doctor sent me to a cardiologist who said my ekg was fine. I told him how my heart does and it gets really bad right before my period, and asked him if he could prescribe me a nerve pill just for that time of the month. He did. 7 pills a month, in which I could use only when I needed them of diazapam.

Well, years later, (I am now 36) we have moved to Atlanta. We now have HMO, and I can't get the doctor to give me a bottle of tylonol! Its really sad. If doctors aren't going to treat the patients , they shouldn't accept HMO.

Anyway, that is beside the point. I think it is silly that doctors think everyone is a drug addict. They need to educate themselves on people with nerve, panic disorders, and help them. Not hender. Oh and don't you just love the self help line? LOL.

I now take a beta blocker atenonol to regulate my heartbeat, but , I still get the shakes when I get them. I still get nervous as heck to go to a party with my child.

Where are all the good doctors?

 
Old 01-11-2005, 09:19 PM   #8
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Most of the good doctors are retired or deceased. I had an ecocardigram and it showed suspicions of mitral valve prolapse but not diagnostic. I still wake in the night with my heart pounding out of my chest, arms and hands numb and barely able to catch my breath. Thank heavens this happens rarely. I have had pvcs for the past 22 years, sterted when I was 39. All the doctors want to do it put me on antidepressants and I am not depressed unless I have a good reason. I know that after taking diazapam for so many years that I am physically dependant and would go through withdrawal so I freak when I am down to only a few. I guess its worth paying the doctor $85. per month to make a call to my pharmacy. Also, anyone ever notice how they look at you when you get your perscription filled? You'd think a pharmasist would know better. Oh well, maybe I'm just paranoid. LOL

 
Old 01-12-2005, 06:33 AM   #9
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Well, It is quite possible you do have mitral valve. Some people with it have no symptoms, and some have extreme symptoms. Like if I drink more than one cup of coffee I will suffer most of the day.

I was addicted to those nerve pills when I worked, because I knew that I couldn't funtion without them, and I had to work. I was too shaky and my heart would beat really fast. Now that I am staying at home, I can get by on the beta blocker to regulate things, but right before my period, I am a mess. Especially if there is a meeting with my childs teacher, etc. It is really embarressing to be so nervous.
People think we are crazy, but the truth is, there is usually a medical disorder for
really bad nerve problems, like mitral valve, so self help won't help. Until doctors
understand this more, so many people are going to suffer.

I had to ween myself off of nerve pills when I found out I was pregnant.
What I did was take 1/2 the first day off for 2 days, then 1/4 for two days, then just a little bit of the 1/4 for 2 days, then nothing. It wasn't easy but It worked.
My nerves got much better when I was pregnant. I heard when a woman is pregnant for some reason, the mitral valve isn't as bad, and it wasn't.

But after I had him it got really really bad, and that is when I said, Okay, something isn't right. I would get up in the middle of the night, my heart out of whack and like I would feel fuzzy when I would stand up, like going to faint. Everything was out of control in my body, then I got a good doctor. He was a very professional doctor and the best I ever found. He is the one that sent me for an echio and ordered the heart monitor. He sat there and explained to me that his wife was a cardiologist and that
a heart that raced quickly, or panic attacks, were not safe, and was a heart disorder, if it was happening. That it puts you at risk for a blood clot and heart attack.
So, he said that I wasn't crazy and that the symptoms I felt could be from a heart problem and needed to be checked out. He did just that.

Then, we moved a year later, and I lost my good doctor to these awful docs in atlanta. Most of the time they will stick you with a Nurse practicioner and they are better than the doctors! lol.

Anyway,

I would try to get on some sort of beta blocker if you are having racing heartbeats.
It couldn't hurt, and you can take your nerve pills along with most of them.

Good luck.

 
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Originally Posted by eddiesbaby
He sat there and explained to me that his wife was a cardiologist and that
a heart that raced quickly, or panic attacks, were not safe, and was a heart disorder, if it was happening. That it puts you at risk for a blood clot and heart attack.
I'm not doubting you at all, but I think I'm reading the above part of your post wrong.
The Doctor told you that panic attacks themselves weren't safe and that they were a heart disorder?
Or that if your heart beat to fast during a panic attack that it was a heart disorder?
Like I said I think I'm reading that part wrong.

 
Old 01-13-2005, 09:58 AM   #11
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I'm not doubting you at all, but I think I'm reading the above part of your post wrong.
The Doctor told you that panic attacks themselves weren't safe and that they were a heart disorder?
Or that if your heart beat to fast during a panic attack that it was a heart disorder?
Like I said I think I'm reading that part wrong.

Hi. What he said is that it is serious, and that it is not normal for someones heart to race all the time. Up and down, up and down. Fast and slow, etc.
He said that if a heart is doing that it is not normal and is considered a heart disorder and needed to be checked. In other words, irregular heartbeat.

Then of course, panic attacks are a symptom of Mitral Valve Prolapse syndrome.

 
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Okay, I see what you're saying now.
I knew I must be misunderstanding it.

 
Old 01-13-2005, 05:04 PM   #13
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Okay, I see what you're saying now.
I knew I must be misunderstanding it.

Sorry i was unclear. :] I know, it is confusing. But so many people think it is just their nerves, when in fact the heart is making them have symptoms of nerve problems, panic attacks. Most people just think they have bad nerves.

 
Old 03-04-2006, 03:56 PM   #14
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Hello. I had a simular experience. For years my doc put me on nerve pills. *since i was 17* and told me eventually I should see a therapist who could help me work out the problems causing my anxiety. The problem was, my heart would race when I would go to a store, and have to write a check, with people standing behind me, etc. or in other cases as well. If i had to go have dinner with my mother in law, in my early twenties, instead of being relaxed, my hands would shake, and my mouth would shake, everything really, unless i took something. Come to find out later on, it was mitral valve causing these things. They symptoms of it. Now, I take doctor prescribed beta blockers to control my nervousness and racing heartbeat. They aren't a cure, but they regulate the irregularity that can lead to clots and strokes etc.

Good luck.

 
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