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Old 09-09-2002, 09:46 AM   #1
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Hey I was just wondering if anyone had problems with sleeping/sleep patterns on a whole. My sleep pattern is insane, i go to bed at midnight-1am to try and get a good nights sleep but end up falling asleep around 5-6am then wake again at 2-4pm, and feel worse for it! Plus sleeping at the wrong hours of the day leaves me with very strong Unreality. Ive tried alot to get out of the sleeping habit, but it seems to get worse. I lack energy because of it which in turn makes my anxiety worse which in turn makes it harder to sleep at night.. it's a catch 22 situation and i'm not keen on taking sleeping pills or anything. any advice?
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Hi,
I am passing along a suggestion just made to me over the weekend. That is to try melatonin which is a supplement you can purchase yourself. Many people use it and have had success with getting a good nights rest. I have a friend who uses it after flying to different time zones and has that 'jet lag' thing.

Hopefully this might help the both of us...best wishes.

 
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Excellent, i'll have a look into it. Thank you
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Staying up late is obviously Not working for you. Therefore, my suggestion would be to try Melatonin also. I've tried a lot of brands. I recommend asking for the sublingual ones in peppermint; they're the best. And, bite it in half. Why? Because, for some weird reason, less of it is more. I noticed it then I read about it. Now, if That doesn't knock you cold, try Benedryl. Two of 'em. Take either of these an hour before you wish to konk out. Do not ever Mix Melatonin with a benzo; you'll regret it. I know: I'm the Resident Pill Freak. Remember: late hours do not work.
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Hmm.. I just did a little research into melatonin, and i think i figured out why it's so effective, especially with anxiety/insomnia sufferers.

Alot of anxiety sufferers have low levels of serotonin (hormone thought to be associated with anxiety) so taking meds which bring that level back to normal will pretty much cure it, as well as having big effects on sleep patterns.. and general energy levels. Here's what i think happens..

Serotonin is produced during the daylight hours, which keeps us happy and alert and anxiety free when we're (normally) awake.
Melatonin is produced by the same gland as serotonin, but during the night. So when darkness falls, the brain sends signals for the gland to stop and change any serotonin into melatonin. Then the body rests as we sleep, and wake to daylight hours and the gland changes melatonin back into serotonin so we can go about our day again.. A person with normal levels of serotonin and melatonin will have no problems sleeping, and probably no problems with anxiety either.

But if for some reason we have a low level of, say, serotonin then when it gets dark and the glands go to work to make melatonin.. there wont be very much, if any, serotonin to turn into melatonin, and so it becomes hard to fall asleep. Then when we wake there will be a low level of melatonin so the gland cannot make serotonin either.. it gets into a cycle, and we suffer because of it.

My theory is when people start getting anxiety problems it's because of an inbalance in serotonin/melatonin levels, so anxiety leads to sleep problems, and sleep problems lead to more anxiety. This is probably why meds which normalise serotonin levels have such a big effect. If you normalise serotonin levels then it will have a knock on effect on melatonin levels, and bring them both back into balance. And vice versa with melatonin supplements.

Why the balance gets knocked out in the first place I don't know. Maybe a gland problem, or maybe the relationship between the two hormones is very sensitive and easily put out of synch.

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Low level serotonin + low level melatonin = anxiety + sleep problems

It's just a theory, I could be totally wrong, but it would make sense of alot of things. If you've made it this far through my ramble then let me know what you think


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