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Old 08-31-2004, 12:58 PM   #1
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My 1st grader

Okay I hope this doesn't get to lengthy...
I have a little girl who is 6 and this year she is in the 1st grade.
I can't believe what they are making these kids do now at such a young age.
My son is 10 and it's even harder now than it was for him...

Anyway, my daughter is not picking up on this stuff like they want her to.
Now here is the thing...
My daughter was tested last year and was "labled" as "gifted"
All of her scores where on a superior level... Now she can't keep up with the class?
I don't understand how a child who is so smart can do so poorly!!!

Her teacher says that she is bright, but not ready for the 1st grade "maturity"

Shouldn't her K teacher have pointed this out?

How on earth do you get a child to be more "mature" She is only 6!!!

So anyway, I bought a bunch of teaching material today to do with her at home. I don't want her to be labled now as LD when I know for a fact that she is smart...

I guess I have to stop doing so much for my baby, huh?

BTW she does have chores, dresses herself and act mature at home...

I'm not understanding why she is doing to badly in school....

Maybe a private school where the class is smaller and gives more individual attention to each child? Homeschool? Suggestions?

 
Old 08-31-2004, 01:36 PM   #2
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I was almost sent to the "special" class when I was a child. They had the paperwork done and was all set to send me from the class to the new class when one teacher said to wait. She asked me to add the 2 and 2 that was on the board. I said 4. Teacher said correct, but whats on the board is 3 and 3. I needed glasses, thats all. Just a possibility.

 
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Old 08-31-2004, 01:42 PM   #3
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I was almost sent to the "special" class when I was a child. They had the paperwork done and was all set to send me from the class to the new class when one teacher said to wait. She asked me to add the 2 and 2 that was on the board. I said 4. Teacher said correct, but whats on the board is 3 and 3. I needed glasses, thats all. Just a possibility.
Thanks had her vison checked and her eye sight is perfect and her hearing is good...
She MAY have ADD (I wouldn't doubt it) but do not want to ever have to medicate one of my children.
How can I get her to focus?
Once she has focus she is soooooooooooo BRIGHT
It may not be ADD and just immaturity like they say, but how does a 6 year old mature?
Don't you think kids are pushed to much now days?

 
Old 08-31-2004, 01:42 PM   #4
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What is it that your daughter is Not Picking Up in her 1s grade class?
Can the teacher give you examples?

Review her classwork with her in the evening, ask the teacher what is it as her mom that you can improve your daughter work habits at home.

Work with the teacher, it could be an adjustment for your daughter entering in the first grade, it's a long day for her, new kids, making friends, she could be distracted.

 
Old 08-31-2004, 01:51 PM   #5
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What is it that your daughter is Not Picking Up in her 1s grade class?
Can the teacher give you examples?

Review her classwork with her in the evening, ask the teacher what is it as her mom that you can improve your daughter work habits at home.

Work with the teacher, it could be an adjustment for your daughter entering in the first grade, it's a long day for her, new kids, making friends, she could be distracted.

Okay I just bought 1st grade workbooks today and had my daughter do 6 pages on writting, reading, matching and comprehension. She got a 100 on EVERY one of them at home...

The teacher's complaint is that they have journals and my daughter doesn't write full sentences using her own thoughts.
Instead of writting

" I like my dog Buddy"
She would write
" I lk m dg bude"

I didn't even think she should be writing journals in the first grade.
I am working at home on all that...
Even had her make her cousin a birthday card writing her own thoughts for him tonight.
She wrote " I LV U JONFEN"
It should read " I love you johnathan"
I only had her correct the love and you because I didn't want to PUSH

BTW she can read and her understands everything she reads.
But when on paper she gets LOST.... If you ask her verbally what was the story about, she knows...

BTW thanks you guys... I really want her to go well and appreciate any suggestions and go ahead and ask as many questions as you want so you can understand her situation more, cause I may leave things out here and there...

 
Old 08-31-2004, 01:55 PM   #6
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I do want to add, that I did talk to the teacher.
All she said was " In my opinion she is not mature enough for 1st grade, she is not able to write in her journal with correct sentences using her own thoughts"
Then she suggested that I have her placed in a LD class...
My daughter just moved back to the state with me and her brother after we found out my husband was married to another woman. I know my daughter doesn't understand any of that, she doesn't express any of that, but it has to be hard to move from one school to another...?

I am not putting her in LD, when I know how bright she really is...

Maybe she is just lazy? She as in my daughter, not the teacher...LOL

 
Old 08-31-2004, 03:10 PM   #7
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The school systems in my area are rated pretty low, so my daughter goes to a small private school. Her classes are always very small, they actually tend to combine 2 grades (right now she is in 3rd combined with 4th) and her class is still under 20 kids!!! She gets all the individual attention she needs, and has very little homework. After hearing my neighbors complain, I am glad she is at her school, even though we can BARELY afford it! I dont know if this is a solution for you, but its nice not to have to stress about school.

 
Old 08-31-2004, 05:04 PM   #8
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Please do not let them put your child in LD classes, or label her as LD unless you know for a fact that she is not understanding or comprehending what they are teaching. From what you have said, she understands and comprehends just fine, it is only her spelling that needs work. What first grade student do you know who can spell every word correctly? This sounds like something that is going on with my boss's daughter.

She is in second grade and her teachers for two years now have tried to label her as LD. Her mom (my boss) wants to put her back in first grade so she can have all the help she needs, but the school won't do it, making up any excuse they can. They even tried the excuse that she's too tall to go back to first grade. This child doesn't have much discipline and I think that is her problem, but my opinion is that none of the teachers want to deal with her, so they want to put her in the LD classes.

On the other hand, my daughter is in 3rd grade this year at the same school and we have never had any problems there. In fact, in 1st and 2nd grade, and even so far this year, they have encouraged the kids to write sentences and words how they sound. It helps develop their skills. They teach them the right way to spell the words, but allow them to write things how they feel they should sound. It has worked for my daughter because she is in the Accelerated Reading program in her school, and spelling is her best subject.

My advice is to not let this school tell you your daughter needs LD classes when you know for a fact that she is doing well according to the 1st grade worksheets you had her do. You said yourself, the teacher said that it was only her opinion that your daughter isn't mature enough for 1st grade. Get a second opinion. Good luck.

 
Old 08-31-2004, 05:30 PM   #9
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My daughter is in the fourth grade, and ever since preschool we were told to keep her back an extra year because of her age. She was born on the 24th of August, which is about a week before the cut off date for children to start kindergarten. Well, my husband and I decided to put her in kindergarten and although she did her work, the teacher felt because of her age we should think about keeping her back. Basically the majority of the children were turning 6 and she was one of the youngest. Every grade since then we were told by her teachers that she was not mature enough, and at times seeing her interact with the other students in her class we can tell a difference in her maturity level, but she still did well on tests and her studies. We knew our daughter was bright enough to excel in her classes and I'm glad we didn't take the advice of her previous teachers and hold her back. We also buy workbooks for her, which I feel give her an advantage when it comes time to do her school work and also keeps her on her toes so hopefully they'll help your daughter.

 
Old 08-31-2004, 05:58 PM   #10
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Thanks everyone...

I am not going to let them put her in LD.... I will take her out and homeschool before that happens.
I can't afford a private school, I can homeschool though.

My son is now in a LD class and it is because they labeled him with ADHD only to find out 2, yes 2 years later that he was hearing impaired.
They said they can not re-do is IEP for 5 years, so he has 3 years to go, but I did get them to only send him for test and nothing more...
He gets straight As in regular classes.... This school is messed up

 
Old 08-31-2004, 06:01 PM   #11
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Gifted children are frequently bored in the classroom. Things happen so slowly for them that they lose attention. I imagine that every time the teacher repeats sometime for the class, your daughter starts thinking about Dad...

 
Old 08-31-2004, 09:51 PM   #12
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I just had a few things to say. When my son was in Kindergarden we went in for a parent - teacher confrence the first nine weeks. He was already reading on a first graders reading level. He always did his work faster then any of the other kids. His teacher was teaching a course at the college. The kids had to make a book on anything they wanted. (I don't know what Camerons book was about since I never got to see it.) This was around the third grading period the book was. Anyways! Cameron wrote the whole book by himself he didn't need any help whatso ever. His teacher decided to take his book to her college class to show her student there. Well where we lived at the child had to have a complete physical every year before they started school. Which included eyes, ears, and dental. Of course at the doctors office all they really do is say read the first line. Now read the littlest line you can. He passed the test. He went into first grade. My husband was deployed about a week after school started. After about 3 weeks of school they started seeing problems with his writing. They thought maybe he just needed time to adjust to his dad being gone. After about the first grading period he became worse. He wasn't even writing complete sentences anymore. His reading grade had also dropped. He started holding the book almost up to his face. (by the way he started school on September 4th) He was also getting headaches and an upset stomach almost everyday. I started making him go to bed 30 minutes to an hour earlier thinking maybe 10 hours wasn't enough sleep for him. It still didn't help. They sent him to the nurses office and did a little visual test on him. He passed as far as seeing far off but he couldn't see to well close up. The school then sent home the paper for the eye doctor to fill out. By the end of November Cameron was wearing glasses. (this was 2001). OK Well things were going ok with him but because of his poor eyesight he feel behind in reading and writing. He had to attend summer school. By June (of 2002) he was starting to complain about the headaches again. We then took him to an eye specialist. His vision had become worse. They also said he had a stigmatisim in both eyes. The right eye was worse. He got his new glasses in July. Well in January we took him back for a 6 month checkup to the specialist. Yet again they had worsened. (this was now 2003) He wanted to see Cameron back in 6 months, but we moved so we took him to a regular eye doctor (since we have to have a referal to see a specialist) well in July we took him back. A new perscription for stronger glasses. But the good news is he is on his right reading level now but still has very sloppy handwriting and I still have to get onto him about writing full sentences. Well I took him to the eye doctor last Wednesday and his sight in right eye had decreased a little more. Were waiting on his glasses to come back this week sometime. Also they never recommended putting Cameron in LD classes but they had a special teacher who came into the classroom who helped the kids who were behind with their work. A little more one on one time. It was called reading recovery. I don't know if they have the program at your daughters school or not. Maybe you could look it up. Also do you drive your kids to school? If the school isn't helping her then maybe you could get her a transfer to another school and just take her & pick her up. Sorry if I was off subject I just wanted to share my experence with Cameron with you. By the way by the time he is 20 years old they have already said that he will need corrective surgery for his eyes. Or he will be declaired as legally blind. They said his eyes should stop changing so much when he turns 12. So if they do we will have his surgery (if it is still required) when he is 13. My son is a skinny little kid who takes after his mom. He is almost 9 1/2 and he's the size of a 6 year old. (my middle son is 6) He will most likely have to have braces when all of his permenent teeth come in. The dentist said probably around 12 or 13. He didn't even start losing his baby teeth till he was 7 and he got his first teeth when he was 4 months old. I guess I don't want him to have to be the skinny - short kid that has braces and glasses when he starts highschool. I think all mother want to do whatever they can for their children to make their lives as easy as possible. Well good luck to you and your little girl.

 
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"I am not putting her in LD, when I know how bright she really is... "

"I don't want her to be labled now as LD when I know for a fact that she is smart..."

Okay...I haven't read this whole thread, but these comments stuck out to me...and here's why. I am LD, specifically Nonverbal Learning Disabled...does this mean I'm not smart? No! So why are you saying stuff like that? So what if your daughter is LD. That doesn't mean she's not smart. That just means she needs some extra help, extra time, modifications, whatever helps her...so *don't* say stuff like you don't want her labelled as LD because you know she's smart. That ofends me. Sorry if that sounded rude...I just wanted toss that out there for you to think about.

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I agree with midget. A learning disability isn't a life sentence to be labled dumb. My son has had issues with getting thoughts down on paper, add problems and he is certinly not dumb and i have yet ot hear a teacher say that he is. He reads above his grade level (grade 5 this year), he's very creative, science is his favorite subject, he retains a huge amount of information, more than other kids in his class. He has also been in resource (he goes a few times a week to get help with the subjects he has trouble in, mainly journal writing and math, but he's not too far behind). Ignoring a potential problem because your child is bright and should be able to do it doesn't make sense to me. There is still a stigma attached to learning disabilities when their shouldn't be. I don't think i would allow my child to be in a LD class either, but that does not mean that you deny there is a problem. There are a lot of different kinds of learning disabilies, and if your daughter does have one than she needs to be tested to see if they can figure out which one she has and it needs to be delt with. You don't want to wait 10 years untill your daughter is having alot of diffuculties in school and then turn around and do it.
I'm not saying your daughter has anything wrong at all...but i agree with midget here, there is a difference between learning disability and mentaly handicapped...they are not the same thing, learning disability just means that in whatever area she is having trouble in she needs some special attention to learn it in a way that her brain understands. There is a great book that i have read in reguards to my son, it's called
A mind at a time, it's by mel levine, he was on oprah a few years ago. He works wonders with kids who appear to have learning difficulties and sometimes are labled dumb because of them.
Your daughter may just need another year or two for her spelling and sentence structure to come together (i agree that 6 is too young to expect a child to have good sentence structure and spelling)...but the fact that her teacher thinks there may be a problem i think would atleast warrent a look farther into the reasons why your daughter seems to be having trouble. With my son it was the opposite, teachers were telling me he was fine, it was just his age, he just needed to mature a little, well after 2 years of listening to that i got him tested myself. So school can be on both sides of this issue....just do some reading on it, she may be fine, but she may not be...It's worth checking into.

 
Old 09-01-2004, 06:27 AM   #15
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"I am not putting her in LD, when I know how bright she really is... "

"I don't want her to be labled now as LD when I know for a fact that she is smart..."

Okay...I haven't read this whole thread, but these comments stuck out to me...and here's why. I am LD, specifically Nonverbal Learning Disabled...does this mean I'm not smart? No! So why are you saying stuff like that? So what if your daughter is LD. That doesn't mean she's not smart. That just means she needs some extra help, extra time, modifications, whatever helps her...so *don't* say stuff like you don't want her labelled as LD because you know she's smart. That ofends me. Sorry if that sounded rude...I just wanted toss that out there for you to think about.

I wish you had read the whole thread then...
I do not have a problem with LD... As I stated MY son is in LD...
The thing is he was diagnoised ADD and 2 years later it was found that he is hearing impaired. The school ASSUMED he was LD instead of taking the approperiate test... My daughter HAS been tested and ALL of her scores are off the chart for her age. She has no problem with ANY of her work at home.
My son still gets extra help when he needs it (like test) but no longer goes to another class because HE has proven that he can do the work. He is getting straight As in regular classroom and his only delay was his hearing.

So when I say my daugher is smart and not LD what I am saying is...If EVERY test she has taken has been above average, if everything she did last year was As and everything she does at home is 100% then I am not taking JUST one teachers word for it...

It could be many factors...We left her father in April, Her father is also military and we have dealt with the whole Iraq thing, she has a big brother and somewhat gets babied and she UNLIKE my son may have ADD,because I have noticed it hard to get her attention, but once you have her attention she excells...
That's why I am thinking a public classroom may not be best for her?
Or maybe work with her more at home?

Thing is... In MY TOWN being labled LD, ADD or anything else IS a problem
Parents won't even let their kids play with those kids...
I along with MAYBE 3 other parents in my town (very small town) are the ones who open our homes to any child no matter who smart, rich, poor, ADD, LD whatever the case is...

So I am sorry if my comment insulted you, but I know what this school has put my son through and I refuse to let them do the same to another one of my children based on HEAR SAY from ONE teacher when I SEE results at home.
If I get MORE testing done and it is PROVEN that my daughter is LD then that is FINE with me...She will get the help that she needs...
I'm simply saying that in the FIRST week of school ONE teacher wants me to put her in the LD class and I am saying I want to hear suggestions on OTHER possible solutions before I take that step...

I honestly don't think she has a learning disability...There is nothing wrong with it... But children do fall behind do to stress, divorce, moving etc...
I just want to explore ALL possibilities

 
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