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Old 08-12-2003, 04:43 AM   #1
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Question Is this really BPD?

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My friend is around 30 and has been in therapy for depression etc. since she was about 15. She's quite creative and reads/writes a lot and is a nice, intelligent lady really but she seems literally obsessed with *wanting* to be ill. I understand that depressive feelings can often remain hidden and I do believe that she is truely unhappy and has some issues (parents never really showed her love and are v. cold towards her, she has panic attacks and rarely leaves the house) but the way she is acting makes it look like she's hopping from one problem to the next and looking up stuff just so she can add new illnesses to he repertoire. I mean we've all got problems and I myself suffer from panic attacks, anxiety, insecurities and social phobias but that doesn't mean I have to give up working on myself, lie down and demand to be card for and expect people to feel sorry for me!

She sometimes "cuts" herself, now I know people who self-harm generally don't do it "for attention" but when someone just barely scratches their skin and then puts huge bandages on, then constantly slips back their sleeves to make sure everyone can see the bandages (hoping for them to go "Aaw have you cut yourself again?"), or proudly showing off some little pattern they scratched into their arm (and I do mean scratched and not cut, it rarely bleeds!), then is that really self-harm in the traditional sense?

She has suffered from eating disorders for a while but again yes she is a compulsive overeater (and a lot of compulsive other things, she buys lots of clothes, food etc. and then gives it all away), but she constantly keeps trying to act like she's bulimic or anorexic (she eats vegetables for one day and suddenyl she's "anorexic" again, or throws up once and then is "bulimic" again - this never lasts more than a day or two but she has to tell the world whenever it does happen).

She once told me that she wished she had leukemia, so she could just "grow weaker and thinner" and "everybody would love her and care for her in hospital".

She often looks up psychiatric and medical problems and starts acting like she has them, usually nothing serious though.

She used to have a great job with a good wage but she never liked working and constantly kept going on about how she wished she would get disability payments so she'd never have to work again in her life. well, a friend told her about 5 years ago how she filled in her questionnaire (at a therapist's) to get diagnosed as BPD, so my friend practiced and got the diagnosis.

As soon as she was diagnosed she committed herself to a mental asylum for 4 months and has not worked since (she pocketed sick pay for about half a year until she decided she would not return to her job) and is now on disability, living in a fancy flat that her mom bought as an "investment", rent-free. She spends all her money on clothes, food, occasionally going out (she does not like being out of her home though) and books, she barely has any friends and spends a LOT of time sitting at home on her own doing pretty much nothing (well, watching TV, eating etc.).

Her main problems seem to be that she's very impulsive, has grand schemes and ideas (like writing a book, starting an education etc.) that she starts and never finishes, she's also compulsive and keeps doing too much of everything. She keeps going from therapist to therapist because once a therapist does not agree with her own analysis of herself (i.e. what she WANTS to be DX'd as) she starts complaining about him/her and then finds herself another terapist.

She demands cosntant attention from therapists and does not understand that they have their own lives and can NOT always be there to hold her hand whenever my friend feels a little down. She refuses to take ANY responsibility for her life and her actions and expects (demands?) everyone to care for her, always be there for her and continuously tell her what a poor soul she is. On the other hand she refuses to actually take any medication (even herbal/natural things like valerian, kava kava, St John's wort etc.) or do any exercises etc. that are recommended to her and that might help her, always coming up with yet another excuse why she can't do/use a particular treatment. Occasionally she will go to the Psychiatric ER and stay for a night and get valium but she does not take any medications on a rgular basis, even though it has been recommended to her repeatedly (by doctors/therapists etc.).

I know she has problems and she is not doing this just to get a free ride, but I also know that she is grossly exaggerating a lot of her problems to get attention.

The thing is - does this sound like BPD? I am asking because she told me that she FAKED the answers to the questionnaire that finally got her the diagnosis (she had never been diagnosed with anything before, in over 10 years of therapy) so I don't know if her therapist just DXd her to give her the label she'd been yearning for and get herself some peace.

Under all the lies and deceptions and excuses, my friend is a generous, witty, creative and intelligent woman. I only see her about once a year (I live in the UK, she lives in Switzerland) and for a week or two she is mostly bearable, but it still pains me to see her waste her life away like that.

Is there any literature you could recommend and has anyone else seen such behaviour before?

Thanks,

Red

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Hi,
I thought I'd reply, since no one else has, and I know how it feels to keep looking for one, and not finding any.
I'm not an expert, or a health-care professional, so it's only my opinion. Your friend seems depressed. That may sound obvious, but I mean depressed as opposed to BPD. It also seems she wants to withdraw from life, maybe from fear; possibly of failure, rejection, being hurt, etc.
Depression can be organic in origin, so a medical doctor may find a physical reason. If not, well......the mind and psyche of each individual is different. While one person becomes stronger and more determined as the result of some emotional trauma; another will be crushed, and permanently impaired.
The fact that you are concerned says a lot about the kind of friend you are.
I would encourage her to see someone professionally, and continue to be a friend. Abandoning her would only make things worse. But do be careful not to get dragged down by her depression. It won't help you, or her...or anyone

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Thanks, my friend has been in therapy for much of her teenage years and all of her adult life, so she is getting all the professional help she can get, although she often "gets fed up" with a therapist if the therapist doesn't agree with her so she has changed them quite often.
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Hi Redhead

I'm going to have to disagree with the last reply and say that I feel that you have a lot of animosity towards your friend and it's probably best for you to stay out of it. You said that you suffer from some anxiety and panic issues....well....no one is walking in your shoes so they will never totally understand what it is that you are going through so please don't tell yourself that you know what's up with your friend. I found you were quiet judgemental with her and you seem to find her emotional complaints amusing and unbelievable....well maybe she feels very confused about what is going on with her and so she looks for many reasons that may be the cause..maybe she is so desperate to find the right answer that whenever she hears of the diagnosis of the day she feels like ...maybe this is it and really believes that it is...YOU just don't know....just as many others would not be able to relate to what is going on with you.
If you are truely her friend then it doesn't matter what the symptom of the day is.....stand by her and let her work it out without conditions or negetive feedback.....I'm not saying that you verbalise what you said on here to her, and I hope that you don't but I'll bet she can feel or sense how you feel.
I have a favorate saying....it goes like this....the only way to see the world with clarity is to look at it from the inside out....beginning with yourself.

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Old 10-31-2003, 03:04 AM   #5
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Seasons I think you got the wrong end of the stick, I do take my friend's (lets call her D) problems very seriously and am very concerned about her. I do live in a different country so can't be there for D all the time but I do visit her every time I get home, and I stay in touch with her via Email/text messages and send her a present for Christmas/bring a present over for her birthday when I visit.

I never doubted that D had serious problems, what I did doubt was that she actually has BPD since not only has she admitted to me that she learned by heart how to fill in the questionnaire in order to balance the scales towards a BPD diagnosis, but she also repeatedly pointed out that she wished she "had a label" so she could stay at home and would never have to work again.

As I said D does exhibit some signs of what I've read about BPD but the whole "I hate you - don't leave me" thing just is not there, in fact she has more friends and a better social life than I do, she has never "rejected" me or M, a friend of hers that I'm also friends with (& was friends with before I met D), nor has she ever voiced any hostile feelings towards me or the M.

She can get a bit ropey/stroppy sometimes when there's too many people around, but no more than both me & my Mom do - there is no "one-on-one" rejection or "I hate you - don't leave me" type scenario going on at all, in fact she often asks people to leave when she's had enough/needs her space! (From my perspective, there is no emotional blackmailing going on, no "If you don't stay with me then..." type scenarios or any other needy-type behaviour that is associated with the "hate you/need you" behaviour associated with BPD)

She does occasionally have fallouts with another friend, but from what I can see these are usually instigated by the other party (who is the friend of hers who was initially diagnosed BPD, which was what caused my friend to strive for that diagnosis in the first place) "turning against" D and being nasty to her.

I am not saying she has no reason to be upset, I just feel that if she is just hanging on to the BPD label because she fancied having a label, then she might be missing out on something that might actually help her, something that could actually make her happier within herself, instead of using the label as a reason to stop working on herself and just resign herself to lonely misery

PS: I forgot to mention in the first post, she refuses to take ANY medication for problems she has, she will occasionally go to the emergency hospital ward for psychiatric emergencies and ask for (demand) valium if she can get her hands on it, but other than that she has so far refused to even try anything, natural or pharmaceutical.

She goes to therapy once a week but as soon as a therapist mentions something she doesn't like or doesn't fancy doing (exercises etc.) she insists on seeing yet another therapist.

I guess I just don't udnerstand how she can be so desperate to be labelled/crave attention, yet when she is being offered something that may actually help her feel/get better she refuses to have anything to do with it!

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