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Old 06-25-2004, 07:10 PM   #1
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I would like to know other peoples symptoms with PTSD

I would like to begin a post where all participate and express their symptoms with PTSD.

Here are mine:

Blanking out
hyperarousal
trembling
panic attacks
irritable bowel syndrome but has gotten better since I've taken Prozac.
remembering the trauma over and over.
dizziness/equiliberium
body pain.

 
Old 06-25-2004, 08:13 PM   #2
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mine depend on the trigger,and I've been dealing with it for over 20 years, but I hope this helps:
severe anxiety/racing heart
shaking/trembling uncontrollably
feeling cold
weak/dizzy
flashes (like one minute I'm here, and the next I'm back there...only lasts a second or two)
nightmares/night terrors/sleepwalking
insomnia
IBS ( I noticed it's less when I drink LOTS of water)

 
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Old 06-26-2004, 07:34 AM   #3
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Re: I would like to know other peoples symptoms with PTSD

Hi Chris. Thanks for your input. Yes, I know I have low adrenaline function at times, had this before the serious car accident back two years ago. Being a victim of rape when I was younger, I wound up getting hyperthyroidism which eventually (not in this country) was taken care of and thenI was fine for a while then started to act like I had hypothyroidism but blood tests kept coming back normal. That was back in the 80's. My brother passed away in February and I was so traumatized by his death. Then started the panic attacks cause I was so over stressed. Keep re-living the memories of this also. I've had my thyroid checked 4 x since then and one time it came back a little high (T4) now the last 3 readings it's been low normal. I will find an Osteopath here in Chicago, but I need to find one that my insurance covers, can't afford all these tests. Thanks for your help.

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Chrisjg:
I've read a few of your posts, and I have to wonder: do you only have hypothyroidism or do you also have PTSD?
I understand that you are trying to give us an alternative, to give us more information that might help us to feel less afraid, or less out of control. I'm not sure how to say what I want to say, so I'm just going to say it, but please don't take offence. I am not trying to be critical, I'm just posting my own personal reaction to what you wrote:
It's not anger, or annoyance, but it's a feeling I get when someone seems to be telling me that I don't know what I'm feeling, or that I don't know what I'm talking about. Long before any issues with my thyroid, I suffered severe trauma. I was raped, tortured, and watched others near me die. Whether my reaction to the trauma affected my thyroid or not is immaterial. I suffered trauma, hence the 't' in PTSD. After the trauma, I continued to suffer, hence the 'p'; post. Suffering the trauma, or at least the physiological reactions to the original trauma, led to the 's', or stress. And going through all of this for 26 years, that's what makes it a disorder, the 'd'. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is a legitimate diagnosis, with it's own criteria and effects on the human body. We don't have hypothyroidism instead of PTSD, we usually have PTSD, and most of us here can trace it back to the original trauma.
Because PTSD usually starts with a severe trauma at a developing age, there is certainly the possibility that its effects of the body during development could adversely affect the thyroid function...but I, for one, have PTSD. I may also have low cortisol, but I have PTSD. There may be issues with my norepinephrine levels...but I have PTSD.
Again, I sincerely hope you read this in the spirit in which it is intended. It is NOT intended as an attack. I just had to get this off my chest.
I hope this finds everyone well!

 
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Zim: Good job! Thanks for the post to Chris. I suffered PTSD long before I had a thyroid problem. Yes, the thyroid and adrenaline, etc. can go crazy with inflamation or illness after PTSD, but it still isn't related entirely, since PTSD is it's own diagnosis and stands firm in its entirety. So I totally agree with you. Now I have suffered PTSD, no longer have a thyroid problem and still have PTSD. My thyroid doesn't support stress very well, true but it's in the normal ranges. I think that when an illness hits the body, it does make PTSD alert and ready for action, LOL But there are so manypeople who have thyroid conditions and do not or never have had PTSD. Thanks for your post.

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Old 06-26-2004, 01:00 PM   #6
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get this off my chest.
I hope this finds everyone well!
I have mutt symptoms, since I have had several traumas, and the effects are cumulative. It's like they are in a little constellation beating around in my chest, in a generally low-level chronic way but ebbing and flowing, waxing and waning with the life tides. Last phase was the recent Memorial Day, D-Day, and RR epidaze, amid the ongoing outrage of terrorism and war. Add throw in some familial trauma sharing with my son and niece, and some due to reacquainting with some friends at a 40th year H.S. reunion and reviewing the frightening traumas there, and it's a bunch of "dreadgies" resurrected and around on my chest. Y'all've talked about the cropping out effects.
Reminds me of the time in the movie Ghostbusters when they let the ghosts out of the containment facility and the all started to do their wild, wreak havoc number until they either ran their course or were re-contained and then we chased them down, captured them, and sealed them in a sheet like the 3 sociopaths in the Superman movie. [What? ME escapist? Nahhh!! ]
Then I usually say a deep prayer to my aching heartgut, sometimes blurting down a poem, and then find a lot of escapist things to do-- watching the tribute to RR's humor was great. And then seeking again--oh, and there's Father's Day! YES! Weeeeee're BAK! Best to you all!

 
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Re: I would like to know other peoples symptoms with PTSD

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Sorry I didn't mean to make you think I was saying that hypothyroid can cause PTSD, just that the two share some symptoms. I was just thinking, in case you had hypothyroid too, that I'd alert you. I'm glad your hypo was addressed.

Chris
Yeah, hypo was addressed but no meds given since I'm low normal on all, TSH, T4 and T3. My antibodies are fine. Now I haven't had the adrenaline's checked out except for a dhea blood exam and that was normal. I wouldn't be surprised if my cortisol was low, crave sugar and salt alot and if I don't eat salt, well my blood pressure is low. The other thing is Im also perimenopause right now and the adrenaline glands do weird things during this period of time. I will proceed with an Osteopath if my insurance will cover it and check everything again. I appreciate your concern and I do believe that PTSD can cause anything to happen to the body since our minds effect our body anyways.

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Most doctor just look at lab tests and not symptoms, so they won't even try a little armour on you. They are so afraid of using it. If you have hypothyroid symptoms some docs like osteopaths will put that over the tests. The upper part of the range is where most people feel good. Post those tests with ranges on the thyroid board, several knowledgable people can give you opinion.

Yeah sugar and salt cravings are symptoms of adrenal insufficiency. Because of the salt you may have low aldosterone (made in adrenals).

Most doctors will never look for this stuff even if you ask them.

Good luck,
Chris

Hi Chris. I did a research on low cortisol and PTSD. YOu're right, all the patients had lower cortisol than the ones who do not have PTSD and they are finding a link of low cortisol levels in patients with PTSD. Thanks for the info. Will a psych run these tests? Also, when ever I get cortisol shots for example, the epidural when I was pregnant, lowered my blood pressure and gave me the worse shakes, then they used it again on me in the surgical room and they had to give me a shot to raise my blood pressure. Also, after my car accident, almost a year later, Ihad to take shots in my spine which I believe had some cortisol in it and the same thing happened to me, my blood pressure dropped big time and got the major chills. So what does this mean? Any relations to the cortisol you're talking about?

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Okay, I will find an Osteopath, Chris. See, I appreciate these boards and the knowledge people share with me to get better. You're one of them. Now, Osteopaths are regular family docs or what? ARe they Chiropracters, never heard of them.

Andrea

 
Old 06-26-2004, 06:41 PM   #10
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Chris:
Thank you for understanding that I was not specifically attacking you. I'm not. I've read your replies, and I still find this core bit of me recoiling.
Salt and/or sugar cravings are indicative of so many other issues that I'm not sure you can limit them to a thyroid problem.
As an aside, I've never aseen a "shrink." I've seen, early on, an MD, who originally specialised in Internal Medicine. He did a battery of tests, working closely with the osteopath who was, at that time, my primary care physician in the military.
Since then, I'm not so sure it's the involvement of an osteopath specifically. Rather, it is a matter of making sure, as a patient, that all doctors, therapists, nurses, and any medical/psychological personnel that have any contact with us as patients, have the same access to the same information. In the US, the responsibility falls usually upon the patient. Whatever test I have done, no matter how seemingly trivial, I insist that copies are sent to my PCP (internal med specialist), my allergist (immunoligist), my therapist, my psychiatrist, my surgeon, and my nutritionist.
An osteopath, medically speaking, checks these things becaue their training is not as extensive as that of an MD. It IS a good idea to consult an osteopath, but not the be-all-and-end-all of healing from past trauma.
Chris, please give us a break. If our cortisone levels are low due to low cortisone levels, then so be it. Raising cortisone will only treat the symptom, not the trauma. It seems to me that the treatment of said symptoms will only delay acceptance of the original trauma, which will only delay true healing, both physical and emotional. Our brains, when healed of trauma, tend to stop upsetting our physiological self. If we feel good (drug free, of course), we ARE good.
You still seem to be suggesting, on a limited level, that cortisone levels lead to PTSD. This is not true. It may lead to complications thereof, but it does NOT cause PTSD. Please stop suggesting this.
I say this so strongly because I had extensive testing immediatly before I was abused. My father was in the US Marines, and we had to undergo (entire family) extensive testing before being posted overseas, so I have a good baseline to base my interpretaions on. As have my doctors. I understand your points......I am wondering about your PTSD. Usually, PTSD requires several years. What you describe sounds more like PTSS: Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome; namely, you suffer the symptome, but for a limited amount of time, both before and after the intiial trauma. The disorder is significant because it involves a period of dissociation from the original trauma.
This post has already been too long...but I have to reiterate my disagreement with the nature of your post. I welcome any clarification on your part.
Thanks so much for your patience. I pray you are patient with me as well.
Thanks!!

 
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zimnah-- thanks for focusing on the differentiation-- it's helping clarify the differences in P-T-S-D/S and to the *thyroidal. I've said before that I'm coming at this from another "D" (or >1) and that I'm pretty sure about having gotten to the PTS and progressive part but not sure about the D/S part, and the reason is that it seems to inter-react and be clearly (to me, at least) secondary. But it's on the team, for sure. But my question is: assuming that you're to the PTSD stage (not questioning but just saying for reasoning purposes) then it would seem that you can see more 'clearly' about the 'pure' aspect of PTSD, whilst myself and perhaps others who are coming to it laterally can't see the 'pure' part that clearly. I can 'see' that from the ADD-side when I discuss differentiation with eg/esp BPD. You know what I mean?

 
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Zimnah:

I understand you are a Marine? My brother was an ex-vietnam vet. He died in Feb of this year. The VA just threw him out and he died in the ambulance 20 minutes outside Danville, Illinois.

Just curious as to where you served? I have PTSD, I'm 45 now but was ganged raped twice, age 15 and 17 and then had a major head on collision a little over two years ago and then the tragic story of my brother. I've had other traumas like my father abandoning our family at age 11 with a little abuse. Anyways, I wanted to comment about how intelligent you are related to the knowledge of PTSD and it's comforting to chat with you. I did have a thyroid condition back in the early 80's that the docs didn't handle correctly, so what else is new with me, LOL But the thyroid seems to be pretty much normal, who knows about my cortisol. I'm in therapy now and it's going well. There are some rough times, but that's what you have to go through to heal. I must say that the news and how it was delivered to me about my brother was tremendously traumatizing for me. I'm still having the body effects and was just wondering if you can lend me a hand to let me know they will go away. The nightmares aren't severe anymore but my body still feels nervous at times, trembling in the fingers, muscle twitches and left eye twitch at times. Sometimes I feel like my muscles are really week. I just keep walking through them, not trying to sensitize them, hoping they will go away soon. Had all types of blood work, everything came out normal. Although my gynecologist says I'm in perimenopause, the steps before menopause, I am 45 on my way to 46, so guess it's time. Just wondering if you could share some of your body shock or sensitations related to PTSD. Thanks,

Andrea

 
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Chris, asked my girlfriend and Anesthesia is something different, not related to what we are talking about.

Thanks

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Old 06-29-2004, 04:14 PM   #14
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okay, I seem to be coming off as defencive or angry...not so! I wish there were a way to infuse my tone and attitude into the words I write, but I've never been very good at that:
1) the osteopaths I've dealth with in the past could do surgery, this is true. One of them did surgery pretty much exclusively. They are absolutely certified and well qualified.
2)I also did not mean to pass over your obviously detailed and involved research in the subject...and that was said with absolutely the utmost respect and no thought of sarcasm.
Please allow me to explain: I understand and value your desire to post options and research results here. The more we post, the better informed we all are. I have done extensive research into PTSD and links to those who self-injure. This has been ongoing since 1991. Having done formal research, we both should know the process of scientific theory: first we come up with a hypothesis, then we take the steps to either prove or disprove it. You went at it from a medical/hormonal/chemical level, whereas I went from the psychological angle (logical for me, since it was my major in college). Experts I've read and journal articles I've researched vary widely on the subject, that it true..as we've obviously proven here.
I know this: emotional trauma produces altered levels of various neurotransmitters that adversely affect the body's functions. It's an interesting question as to whether increasing the cortisol levels or altering the adrenal gland output in the sufferer can decrease the effects of trauma. I will pose the thought that, yes, it would, provided it is administered within a reasonable amount of time. I also think, given the links you provided and the evidence presented, that the efficacy of this type of treatment decreases in direct proportion to the time between the present and the original trauma.
There is one important distinction between PTSS and PTSD: PTSD will, in most cases, involve a period of disassociation from the trauma. You're abused, or traumatised, then conveniently forget about it and have a seemingly normal life with a few quirks here and there until some event or trigger slams your mind back into the trauma, and you struggle to make sense of an extreme reaction to something mundane: for me, it was the smell of the dishwashing soap. I'd put the trauma behind me, when it stopped, and moved along with my life, until something simple and seemingly innocuous forced me to remember horrors I thought people only suffered in horror movies (which I refuse to watch!)
I will continue to research the points you have made on this board, but I offer a friendly challenge: check your resources to see if there are cases of PTSD (specifically the disorder, not the syndrome) that exhibit the same symptomology. I would be really interested in hearing your response. Also, if you have other links you think I should visit, please let me know. We may be on to something here!
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to ainfante: no, I wasn't a Marine. I eventually joined the Army at 17 (that's another story). My father was in the US MArines, and when we were stationed overseas, we had to undergo extensive testing. Once trasferred overseas, my father was deployed, and my mother was left to hire a nanny to take care of us as she had to work. Her choice of nannies was, well, not a good one, as this one belonged to a Satanic cult (it sounds ridiculous to me, as we're Jewish and don't believe in Satan! LOL). A lot of covens will have two separate groups of children: one group grow up in the cult, the other is used for "fun and games (now that statement IS loaded with sarcasm!)
The "fun" group is where I was, and this mainly meant that I was used to train others how to abuse, rape, intimidate and completely control others. I was 7 years old when it started, and it didn't stop unil I was 9, when my father received a transfer back to the US. I was lucky: it was only for 2 years, I was old enough to blank it out, but not develop another personality to deal with it, and I got out alive. There was a younger boy there who wasn't as lucky. I watched him die.
PTSD therapy involves remembering first what happened, then incorporating it into a mature understanding of the circumstances. I was old enough to know I had no clue what was going on, so my brain just shut down. Even remembering now, it's still sort of numb, with nothing much beyond an adult's outrage that those things were done to an innocent child. The only emotional inheritance I seemed to have received is one of general cynicism: if that could happen to me as a child, then what could be worse now? I struggle against that, and usually win, but sometimes despair wins, and it feels like I'm back at square one.
I hope this helps. Hang in there..what choice? We have to bear witness to what other humans do to one another. Eventually, we'll just run out of ways to hurt each other (I pray!!) and we'll finally be able to live in peace.
Thanks, all, for putting up with my long missives! LOL

 
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