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Old 02-10-2003, 03:00 PM   #1
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maglib and FntsyAngel

Hey yall are bfing right? I have some questions...
1. I remember in a post (oh yeah, it was Jules Cosleeping post) that Angel you said something about lying down and nursing at night, that you get a lot more sleep that way, etc.. . Do you get up to burp them when they are done? BC when Liam and I do that I'm always asleep when he gets done. And I've noticed that he is a lot more spit uppy in the morning if we laid down all night to nurse. Just clarify to me what yall do at night.

2. Do either of you supplement with formula? I've read your post Angel and how Kai is allergic to it, but will you find a different formula and supplement with that? What if i wanted to use formula at night and bf during the day? that might hurt my supply tho, huh? and it could cause him to be gassy and stuff too, right? What are yalls opinions on formula while bfing?

OK, thats all for now. Hope Robert and Kai are doing well!
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Old 02-11-2003, 10:53 AM   #2
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Re: maglib and FntsyAngel

Ashley,

I am like you, I fall asleep for the feeding and dont burp the baby at night. Sounds bad, but a little extra gas or spit up in the morning is a small price to pay for both baby and mommy getting the sleep they need! If you do manage to be awake, you can just kind of prop him on your tummy (belly to belly) and burp him that way; othewise, if you and Liam are not terribly bothered by the morning spit ups, dont worry about it.

I wasnt actually supplementing with formula, but rather using it in lieu of pumping (similar to what you are suggesting). After we get alergy testing done, I hope to be able to use a different formula for some occasional substitution. Yes, formula could cause gassiness, but usually doesnt, or only does for a day or two. It would affect your supply at that time of day, because your body would realize that it doesnt need to make as much milk then. It is the same as when baby starts eating solid foods - your body adjusts the supply for what baby no longer needs.

With my last baby, we gave her formula at bedtime so that she would sleep longer for the first portion of the night. I dont see anything wrong with it at all!

Hope that helps!

maglib - I forgot to put you in my post title asking how the babies are doing!! Why dont you hop over to that post and give us an update on how you and Robert are doing!!

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Old 02-11-2003, 06:32 PM   #3
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Re: maglib and FntsyAngel

thanks angel for your response! So, I know that formula fed babies sleep for longer periods at night, but how much longer? That's why I wanted to do formula at night, but I like your suggestion better- to do it for the last feeding before bedtime and bf the rest of the night. How long would it take for my body to realize what I was doing so I wouldnt be engorged? And what is a good formula to start with? Thanks again and take care!
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Old 02-11-2003, 08:06 PM   #4
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Re: maglib and FntsyAngel

Ashley,

Sorry, I havn't had any time lately my middle child is sick and home with me plus I have had dr. appointments every day between Robert and myself.

I tried to bf while lying down and it was so awkward, how do you guys do it? I almost suffocated Robert when I do it. And I do burp him when I do try this method. I layed down on my side with him facing sideways and my boobs kept getting in front of his nose. let me know how you do it. Or is it just my 35 year old boobs are so saggy?

As Robert wasn't gaining birthweight back my ped suggested a bottle of formula or 2 a day and it didn't effect my supply in fact it made my middle of night feeding faster as I was more engorged with milk. The formula had him sleep for 4 to 4.5 hour stretch too (as long as he didn't poop which always wakes him up).

I use the Playtex nurser bottles which I think are most like mom and I only give him 5 ounces of formula and we use Similac advance. He is a little more gassy but, he is hard to burp normally so it makes him burp faster.

I hope this helped.

Angel, I will look for your post and hope and pray Robert doesn't wake.<p>[This message has been edited by maglib (edited 02-11-2003).]

 
Old 02-11-2003, 10:38 PM   #5
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Ashley - The engorgement from missing one feeding is more just a slight over-fullness (Like the first time your baby slept longer for a nap then normal). Your body adjusts in just a couple days. As for formula, most babies do really good on Carnation Good Start because it is already partially broke down. Other than that, it is strongly suggested you use a hypoallergenic formula to avoid what happened with Kai, but that of course is pretty rare. I strongly suggest the Good Start as it is easier on the baby and alot less expensive.

Maglib - after baby latches on tip his head back just enough to get his nose clear. I have this problem too because I have rather large breasts!

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Re: maglib and FntsyAngel

Robert always ends up back to suffocating. Are you on your side and letting baby suck the breast on his side? How do you make sure he is at the right height with your nipples?

My breasts are on the large end too,they are currently an E cup! You wouldn't believe that only 10 years ago I wasn't even a full A. I was shocked when I just shopped for new nursing bras that I was so large, the last kids I was a D and went back to a C. I guess I needed the new bras.

 
Old 02-13-2003, 04:10 PM   #7
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Re: maglib and FntsyAngel

yeah mag, you have to give him the breast on the bottom- the one touching the bed. And for the suffocation thing, I just squirm around until I can see that Liams nose is clear and that it's easy for him to eat. That's the only advice I have! thanks for weighing in with your experiences- they have helped a bunch!

Angel, do you know anything about WIC? I'm not sure if Carnation formulas are paid for. I think they only do Enfamil. I do agree with you tho- I wanted to use Carnation bc I'd read that it is easier to digest, and thats the one I wanted to use, but I wasnt sure if WIC paid for that brand or not. Thanks for all your help!

 
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Re: maglib and FntsyAngel

Carnation made my son so gassy and smelled so bad. Similac was better for my kids but, all kids are different. Do some research (on sites not sponsered by the makers of the formula which are hard to find) and speak to the pediatrician about formulas before making a decision.

 
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Re: maglib and FntsyAngel

ashley I think wic will pay for that brand if you have a note from your dr. saying Liam needs it (they will do that for soy and other variations as well)... I have thought about talking to Dylan's doc about this too b/c other formulas really make him gassy... we use the plastic liner bottles to get rid of some of the air but sometimes he still gets really bad. I don't think you should have so much of a problem with only one feeding though- but I would make sure and burp him for several minutes to try and get it all out. As for spitting up Dylan always has a problem with that so we hold him upright for 20 minutes after each feeding- but we do that too b/c he will spit up while sleeping and it wakes him up- if Liam doesn't do it until he gets up I wouldn't even bother.

As far as the length of sleeping time, it really depends on how much formula Liam's stomach can hold... Dylan can take 6-7 oz. now sometimes before bed, and will sleep like 5-6 hours after that. But I imagine a baby who is not used to formula (more filling) won't take as much... 4 hours sounds right for 5 oz. of formula.

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Old 02-17-2003, 03:34 PM   #10
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Re: maglib and FntsyAngel

Thanks jules for the advice on the amount of formula.
an update...

Friday we drove to see hubby's parents(yes, it was Vday. I was a little disappointed that he wanted to spend it with his PARENTS. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/frown.gif">) Anyway, I hadnt had any time to pump some bm so I put some warm water in a bottle and brought along a can of formula in case he got hungry on the car ride there(1 1/2 car ride). I ended up having to give it to him, and not 5 minutes after he ate it-and he didnt even finish the bottle- he spit up what had to have been all of it. He also had this look on his face the whole time like "what in the world is this stuff?" Did yall have similar reactions the first time? And like you said Jules, it seemed like not a whole lot made him full. Any other advice yall have for this is appreciated! have a good day!
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Old 02-17-2003, 05:35 PM   #11
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Re: maglib and FntsyAngel

Ashley,
My son doesn't have a problem with formula but, it has to be heated. Also we have to burp him at least twice as it is gassier and he has a harder time creating a complete suction. He will drink all of it as long as it stays hot, once it cools off, he won't drink it and spits it out, if I reheat it then he finishes it. We bought a portable heater that plugs into the car slot for those occasions we're on the road otherwise we heat it with hot running water. Try it out and see how he reacts otherwise he may have an allergy to either the iron or the lactose or you may have over fed him??? Let us know.
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