Could this be RSD? Plus, concern about a toe getting thinner.
Hi everyone,
I've been told that I do not have RSD, yet I was told by a PM doc that I do, in fact, have RSD, though that PM doc did NOT do a thorough examination and didn't answer any of my questions and only cared about having me come back for sympathetic nerve blocks, so I don't trust his credibility. It's been over 3 years since my left foot injury, and there is no true consensus as to whether or not I have RSD. A doc recently said that I don't have RSD, that he's had patients who have dropped turkeys and drawers on their feet (I accidentally hit the top of my foot on something), and they ended up with chronic nerve pain, but it's not RSD. He said that some doctors use the word RSD loosely as a diagnosis. Yet another doc recently said that I have a pain syndrome, but this doc was very rude at my evaluation and told me I am malingering and much of this is in my head. Ugh!
My injured foot has tolerable to severe pain mostly in the forefoot/ball of foot, but I get arch soreness and some heel pain after being on my feet. I have fat pad atrophy in the ball of my foot due to steroid injections following my injury, and that steroid is known to cause muscle atrophy, too. I have pain every day, most of the day, but it does subside with rest (I wake up with no pain, but pain starts after I begin to walk). It just so happens that the painful area is where I bear most of my weight into, so that doesn't help at all. The pain in my forefoot feels like bone pain and perhaps muscle and nerve pain. I have a lot of soreness in my forefoot and in some of my toes after being on my feet. Sometimes, I get swelling in my ankles, but I wonder if that has to do with me sitting a lot. I don't have any awful burning pain or hypersensitivity or lack of feeling. There is no swelling of my foot, no sweating that I can notice, no skin changes, no overall discoloration, no nail changes, no spread of the area of pain. However, when I stand in the shower and place all my weight into the bad foot when I try to shave the other leg while in the shower, I get some purplish discoloration in a couple of areas of my foot (I don't know what this is caused by), yet the rest of my foot is pink in the shower. I noticed on a few occasions in the winter that my left foot felt slightly cooler than my right foot, but most of the time, I don't sense any temp changes between my two feet. When I first injured my foot, my foot immediately had hypersensitivity and tingling, but that went away.
My forth metatarsal is killing me , and the pain goes into the forth toe. The forth toe has become a bit thinner and it sort of lays on its side when I'm standing, like it's too weak...I don't know what is wrong with that toe, and I haven't gotten any answers from doctors. It seems my toes on the bad foot have become somewhat weaker. I know my arch is weaker, since I can feel the insole of my shoe pushing into that arch more than on the arch of the good foot.
Does anyone have thinning of the fingers or toes due to RSD? Can RSD cause a toe or finger to become thinner or to atrophy? What is the difference between atrophy and dystrophy?
Anyway, I had regular x-rays done recently, and the orthopedic surgeon said the bones are normal, yet the podiatrist said I have osteoporosis in my feet. So no consensus on my x-rays, therefore, I have to find yet another doctor to look at my x-rays. I had x-rays last year, and that orthopedic doc said they were normal. So I don't know who to believe...are my bones normal or do I have osteoporosis? I just had a bone scan again, and the results are normal. I've never had a bone density test.
What kind of doctor can tell me for sure with 100% certainty whether I have RSD or not? I don't know what to believe anymore. Most of the doctors I've seen said I don't have it, but then when one doctor mentions RSD, I start worrying all over again. I've not had any nerve blocks.
By the way, I use capsaicin cream on my bad foot, and the burning sensation the cream creates when I first start using it is actually soothing as it helps cover the bone/nerve pain. I actually love it when the capsaicin provides a burning sensation...the burning sensation does not damage or actually burn my skin. Many people cannot tolerate the burning sensation. But when used as directed for at least a few weeks at 3-4 times per day, the burning sensation starts to cease. I think capsaicin is made from the pepper plant, and if used on a regular basis, capsaicin depletes Substance P which, in turn, helps reduce pain. It's not a miracle pain reliever for my foot, though, because if it was, I wouldn't be here complaining of pain.
I've been on this board many times to read posts and to ask questions to get a better understanding of RSD. It's so confusing. The steroid that was put into my foot can cause a lot of damage to soft tissue, so being that I had steroid injections complicates things a bit.
Re: Could this be RSD? Plus, concern about a toe getting thinner.
sealover,
Iam sorry to hear your having so much problems finding out your dignoses. Its does sound like you have some sort of nerve damage. I wish I could say yes or no regarding if its RSD or not.. Everyone is so differant..and it can be very confusing. I think you best bet would be to see a neurologist.
When I first started with RSD. My symtoms were mild.. I just had a weird senation in my feet. No swelling, no burning, none that.. Its ttok about two months for all the lovely symtoms to appear in sight. It took them four yrs to diganose me. Which is very normal with RSD.. RSD can mimic alot.. To be honest nerve injury symtoms are very similar with RSD. I really think you should see a neuro.. it wouldn't hurt. Keep looking until you find answers, never stop..
Wish you luck..
Michelle
Re: Could this be RSD? Plus, concern about a toe getting thinner.
I obviously can't offer anything but my opinion based on having this disease myself, and years of research related to that fact, so take everything I say with that in mind! Also, everyone is different, and the only absolute with RSD is that there are no absolutes.
The first thing that leads me to believe that you don't have RSD is that what you are describing is not a whole-foot issue. In most cases, RSD involves the most distal (farthest from the body) and entire part of a limb. That means, lower limb RSD will involve everything from the site of the injury to the end of the toes. If a person has RSD in a foot, it is generally the entire foot. I can't say that I've ever heard of a person having RSD in a small area like you describe...but I certainly haven't heard everything there is to hear. It just makes it less likely.
With no hypersensitivity or burning pain, and with no real vasomotor (blood vessel) and sudomotor (sweating, skin/hair/nail) changes, I think it's really unlikely that you have RSD. Like the poster above said, in some people it starts out mildly (I was one of those people), but usually there's some degree of those symptoms at the beginning. As I'm always careful to say, though, RSD can present in different ways. There are even reports of people who have RSD with no pain (it's REALLY unusual, and they generally have the other symptoms really severely).
Also, if the swelling you described is bilateral (I think I inferred that it is, but I'm not sure if that's what you meant) but the other symptoms are unilateral, it's probably not significant in determining whether you have RSD. That's not to say that it may not be significant in some other way.
The way you describe your pain, it sounds mostly mechanical and musculoskeletal in nature. If you also have nerve pain, it could be related. Have you had an NCV/EMG? That test can tell you if you have any damage to a major nerve, although it doesn't pick up well on minor nerves. Also, I can tell you that I've met several people who were misdiagnosed or nearly misdiagnosed with RSD when they really had nerve and blood vessel entrapments or impingements. An EMG can often pick up on that, and those should be ruled out because they're generally easier to treat than RSD!
I can try to answer your question about atrophy versus dystrophy. Atrophy refers to tissue wasting of any kind, I believe. Dystrophy refers to abnormal nutrition of tissues. In RSD, it refers to the vasomotor changes (instability of circulation) that results in abnormal amounts of blood flow reaching tissue.
For me, using capsaicin cream was incredibly painful. I tried it several times many years ago, and I'll never touch it again. It irritated my sensitive (and atrophied) skin, and I could hardly bear the touching necessary to apply it in the first place. Then it burned, which isn't a good feeling on top of the other burning pain! I've heard similar reactions from other people with RSD, but I'm sure that there are people with RSD who have reacted to it well. Everyone's different. I'm certainly glad that it helps you!
I don't know what type of doctor is best to rule RSD in or out for you. Some people prefer pain management docs, some neurologists...I think we all tend to see whoever we've found who actually knows enough about this disease! I hope that somebody else will have better advice than I have in that area.
Re: Could this be RSD? Plus, concern about a toe getting thinner.
Thanks so much for the responses & info, Michelle & Betsy! Betsy, I appreciate the thorough explanation and opinion you provided...you are a wealth of information.
So if I have RSD, then it would typically involve the entire foot, even though I banged my foot near my toes?
Yes, this is definitely confusing. I saw a really caring neurologist a few years ago, and he said he doubts I have RSD. I'm not sure how knowledgeable he is about RSD, though. Yet a PM doc who didn't even compare my two feet or give my bad foot a good examination said I have RSD...yet my bad foot looked normal at my appointment except for plantar fat pad atrophy.
I recently went to two different specialists, and they were of no help whatsoever. One of those docs was quacky, but he told me to go get an epidural. I don't know what an epidural will do for my foot. I so want to find a knowlegeable, caring, helpful, compassionate doc, but all I've met in the past couple of years were arrogant, uncaring docs.
I had an EMG a few years ago, but I don't know if a NCV was done. I don't remember having any needles stuck into my muscles, but I was very nervous at the appointment to remember everything that went on. The EMG was normal.
When I banged my foot near my toes, it started out with IMMEDIATE hypersensitivity to touch, slight swelling, tingling in forefoot, inability to move my toes...but those problems went away soon perhaps with the help of physical therapy. Now I have a different set of issues with my foot as I described in my earlier post. The fat pad atrophy occurred within a short time after steroid was injected into my foot. The issues are confined to my forefoot, but I do have maybe some weakness in my foot, and when I'm on my feet, I get arch and heel soreness/discomfort (as well as the forefoot/ball of foot pain getting worse)...it feels like my foot is collapsing.
I need to find out what the purplish/bluish discolorations are in my bad foot when I take a shower (when I place more weight into that foot), yet the rest of that foot appears pinker than my good foot. The purplish/bluish discolorations are gone when I step out of the shower. I don't know if it's because I use Lidoderm patches on that foot or have been using a paraffin wax bath for a long time, or because the steroid caused changes in my foot...I'm clueless.
Swelling (not major swelling) in my ankles is bilateral and happens when I'm on my feet for a period of time. It doesn't always happen. The other day, my ankles and calves were swollen when I got home, and my ankles stayed swollen for about two days. Maybe this is because since my injury a few years ago, I don't walk around as much as I used to and don't get enough exercise...I'm not sure.
Just wondering: If someone has RSD, how often should they be in a physical therapy program?
Thanks again, and if you have any more info or opinions to add, I will appreciate them so very much.
Re: Could this be RSD? Plus, concern about a toe getting thinner.
Sealover,
You do sound very confused.. Some of the symtoms you are saying do sound alittle like RSD..Your early symtoms sound like RSD.. My hands turn color when ever I do something.. as soon as I stop within 10 mins the discolorization is gone.. So, that could be happening to your foot. Same with the swelling.. If you look a pics on the computer. They are bad.. I look nothing like that.. so don't let them confuse you...
As for physical therapy.. Thats great that you had it right away, very important for RSD.. I went for PT for 2 1/2 yr.. It helped some what.. I can move my arm now and my neck.. it did not stop the spreading of it. I think they caught mine way to late..
I still think you should be seen by a neurologist that knows about RSD.. Call around. Ask the dr straight out. What is your knowledge of RSD.. There are alot of drs who don't feel comfortable with it..
I was the same as you.. when I went to the drs they couldn't see any visible symtoms.. so I started taking picture of my hands and feet when I would have a flare up. ( which was usually at nite or in the monring). Do you ever feel like you have electrical shocks, kind of like someone stabing you with a pin.. involuntary movement. You could just be in the early stages of it..
When it comes to emg.. mine all came back normal too.. They just kept telling me its herniations.. So, you have to keep digging.. you know your body.. Don't stop until you feel comfortable with everything.. Maybe you could ask you PM drs to refer you to an RSD specialist since they feel you may have RSD.. They see people all the time with RSD..
Well I wish you luck.. keep in touch, let us know how you do.
Michelle