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Old 09-20-2006, 05:04 AM   #1
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Psychosis and religion

Hi everyone!

I have been diagnosed with schizo-affective disorder. I have suffered from about 4 or 5 psychotic episodes in the last 6 years, the most recent one at the beginning of this year which lasted about 2 and half months. I'm now recovered and taking medication.

Each time I have suffered a psychotic episode, my delusions have always been associated with religion and spirituality. During my earlier psychotic episodes I used to think that I was being chased by demons and the devil. During my latest psychotic episode I thought that I was God's chosen one and I thought that I could make the World a better place by praying all the time.

I have noticed that many people who have suffered from psychosis often have delusions or hallucinations that are associated with religion. What I want to know is why it is common for psychotic episodes to have religious associations.

The other thing is when I come out of a psychotic episode, I sometimes feel that what I have experienced is that during my psychotic episode I have entered into a different level of reality. As though there are different Worlds out there and that my illness is not just associated to a chemical imbalance in my brain but also related the paranormal? Does anyone else relate to this? Sometimes I feel that science cannot explain all things.

 
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Old 09-21-2006, 08:56 AM   #2
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Re: Psychosis and religion

At the end of the day their are infinite things that our invisbile to the eye, so why trip out your mind if this a reoccuring thought maybe you might have somethink like OCD, You gota exercise your minds creative ability so you dont go back to the same thoughts , draw somethink, read a book.

If your feeling realy blue then their might be somethink up chat to your doctor if its seriouse.

Take care buddy ozzmo.

 
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Old 09-21-2006, 09:46 AM   #3
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Re: Psychosis and religion

Hello!

Thanks for your reply. What is OCD?

I don't dwell on these thoughts all the time. I was just curious as to why so many psychotic episodes are related to religion and if other people could identify with the different levels of reality.

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Old 09-21-2006, 01:44 PM   #4
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Re: Psychosis and religion

OCD is when u have constant reoccuring thoughts in your head. Umm to tell you the trugh i went through a short religouse phase but i think takeing magic mushrooms nearly everyday other a 2 month peroiod might have had somethink to do with it.

I would never advise you to take mushrooms though of the magical nature highly dainjourse especialy to those with a psyhcotic predoispion.


Yeah its been well documated though thats theirs a strong link between psychosis and magical/spiritual/relgiouse sensation.

But then if u think about it at christmass u get the same kinda special sensation even though it wears other time.

 
Old 09-21-2006, 03:37 PM   #5
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Re: Psychosis and religion

I heard a statistic back in the 90's that 93 percent of people in mental hospitals are religous... i can testify that that percentage is probably pretty acurate. I ended up in one due to religion...... the bible says not to take things to extremes, in proverbs i believe... many mentally ill people probaby did that to end up that way. I was in a hospital in nashville one time and during a group therapy session, a young black dude interrupted everyone to tell them about Jesus. My goodness, do i need a person in a mental hospital telling me about Jesus, looks like he did a lot for this guy? Not knocking Jesus. I'm still religious to a point. I've found though that pulling away from all the works, sacrifice, oriented parts of religion, like prayer, praise, evangelism, well to the extremity that i was doing it, helped in curing my schizophrenia. Unfortunately, works seems to be a lot of what religion is all about... trying to make persons like yourselves, making disciples, which usually ends up proscelyting (spelling). Anyway, i was a leader in our church, getting to speak on many occasions, some in the pulpit and much of it in group settings, when all this happened to me. I think, at some point, people begin to evauate their speaker and teacher. I think i lost the hearts of the people, which maybe a disconnection with people is all the neurons not connecting. I was in college and stayed way to long for most people's tastes and didn't get out and find a job like a congregation expects out of their leader. Some of this is my fault, but i bought into a full-time ministry-give your life over to christ and just do his thing full time- and forget about everything else. Luke 14 definitely can't mean that. If you don't know what Luke 14 says, basically it says, 'deny yourselves, take up your cross and follow Jesus'. Many people read this and deny all the gifts and talents God gave them.... and go into 100 percent religious-think.

This dude that came into our church several months ago, you could tell he was a hard worker, basically gave it all up and wanted to be a preacher from what i could tell....soon he ended up discouraged, lost his job, and left the church. I see this all the time, mainly out of young people.


anyway,

 
Old 09-21-2006, 04:34 PM   #6
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Re: Psychosis and religion

Hi Judy

My heart goes out to you. I have a 22 year old daughter with schitzophrenia and she has an an 18 mth old daughter. I have lived with her for 2 years and am pleased to say that she has been a very loving and capable mom.

However I am glad I have been there living with her and I do not want to leave her yet as she has on 3 occasions shown signs of relapse and I have been quick to get her to ring the doctor and ask for additional medication. So far it has kept her on the right track and has had a minimal impact on her relationship with myself and her daughter. I have noticed that when Amy (my daughter) is not well then my grand-daughter starts to become difficult and unsettled.

Whenever she starts to show signs of becoming unwell I really worry about both her and my granddaughter and would not hesitate to take my gd away from her if I felt she was becoming unstable. Luckily my daughter totally trusts me and even when she is unwell and yelling at me, I know that she still listens to me and takes my advice. An example is where I suggest she rings her doctor and she yells at me that there is nothing wrong with her and I am an interfering %^%^ (she would NEVER say this when she is ok), she will be very aggressive and angry at me and will be adamant that she will not ring the doctor but not long after yelling that she will call her doctor and say that she thinks she needs more meds.

So perhaps even though your daughter is ostracising herself from you she is not believing it deep down. Keep being there and helping as much as you can. If you can get her to stay with you for a while or perhaps you could stay at her place. Treat her by cooking nice meals or organising picnics etc.. You may not be received very well but if you keep telling her that you are on her side and will help her then maybe the words will reassure her a little.

Can you have a meeting with her and her doctor so that you can discuss your concerns with both of them and hopefully then you could all agree on a plan to keep everyone safe.

Good luck I hope things improve quickly for you.

Colleen

 
Old 12-17-2006, 07:00 AM   #7
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Re: Dear Lealing: 'Other' dimensions/planes

Dear Lealing,

I wish I could be of more help to you, but I don't know actually why religion or spiritualistic experiences go hand in hand with schizophrenia. I asked my doctor recently the same question, and he said that no one can predict what experience people have, it could be anything, though that didn't really answer my query that religion mostly plays a part in the delusional journey.

My opinion on the subject though, is that as the experiences for the individual are so 'real', the only logical answer to them is that they are 'supernatural', because they are actually happening; ie, that people are hearing voices, and then interpret the experience as spiritual or religious, as that is the only logical assumption, as most people with this illness don't realise they are actually ill.

I have though, complete empathy with you concerning the experience itself of 'other' dimensions, or planes of existance.

I was diagnosed with schizophrenia six years ago, and three year years prior to that diagnosis, I had believed strongly that I had tapped into another dimension, that of language, ie, that I could translate and interpret different meanings and symbolism from language on television, in conversation or just sounds.

A few years later, in 2000, I became more ill and my pychosis progressed, I was alone one night and suddenly I heard the words "I am the Second Coming, the Alpha and the Omega" come from my lips, I hadn't intentionally spoken or realised I was speaking the words, and then followed two to three months of a delusional journey which had me convinced in another realities. My interpretation of the words I spoke was that I believed I was the reincarnation of Christ, and I certainly believed I was 'chosen' as you say, and chosen to fight a 'war' of darkness and light, of good against evil, of ignorance and sin in a world experiencing the Second Coming.

I experienced hallucinations and the voices I heard I interpreted as telepathic voices from people that I knew, and I also that I hadn't met. I experienced sensations throughout my body, and believed that these individuals (from the context and subject of their voices and what they were saying) were operating on me spiritually. Some of these voices I believed to be angels, or aliens as they are called, communicating with me. I strongly believed these things, and until I was admitted into hospital and medicated, I believed it to the last.

Within the past six years, I have had two relapses (due to stopping medication, a big mistake, as I wanted to believe that I had had a nervous breakdown and didn't suffer from the illness) and in those relapses I experienced the same delusions, they were consistent, and I believed to be experiencing the world in a spiritual dimension, hearing and seeing the world on another plane of existence.

I hope this makes some sense to you, and I hope in a small way it lets you know that you are not alone in what you experienced, and that other people too will have had these same experiences, for some reason, it is part of the nature of the illness to associate religion/spiritualistic ideas to the delusions themselves, or maybe it is a way of the conscious logical mind trying to solve the puzzle of the delusions.

Take care, and be healthy and happy,

Daniel

 
Old 01-13-2007, 01:21 PM   #8
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Re: Psychosis and religion

Yeh mate just googled your post - I thought my whole family and everyone I saw (police, ambulance officers etc) were demons who were going to torture me etc etc.. I still can't shake the feeling in the back of my mind either (bout a year later)... it's a completely soliptic delusion.. the problem is that I cant think of any way to reason your way out of a delusion that necessarily requires a completely soliptic world-view... like Descartes said, all you REALLY know is that you exist.. anything else is variable.

Thinking it might be time to start medding myself.

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Old 01-13-2007, 10:33 PM   #9
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Re: Psychosis and religion

The is a book called "The God Part of the Brain", and many now believe, there is a part of the brain, that contains ideas about spirtuality and God. And that this part might be affected, by Psychosis.

 
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