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Old 10-25-2011, 12:17 AM   #1
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How do you know if its time to go?

My 83 year old father has been vomiting for about 1 month now. The problem is that nothing comes out except some occasional phlegm. No food. He has been eating only a few spoon's ful of soft food daily.

He has undergone all sorts of test ad Doctors cannot find what is wrong with him. He will be discharge from the hospital soon but we are worried that this will weaken his body and resistance faster. So one thing I am wondering, how do we
know if his time has come?

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Old 10-27-2011, 10:51 AM   #2
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Re: How do you know if its time to go?

What med's are they giving him for his problem? Have you tried giving him antihistamine to dry up the mucous. How miserable he must be. Good luck in finding him help.

 
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Old 10-28-2011, 10:29 PM   #3
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Re: How do you know if its time to go?

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What med's are they giving him for his problem? Have you tried giving him antihistamine to dry up the mucous. How miserable he must be. Good luck in finding him help.
My sister keeps track of the medicine but they change from time to time. Something for bowel movement, something to reduce likeliness of vomiting, and at least 5 others

But that is not important now.

My father was temporarily discharged from the hospital yesterday afternoon (Oct 28) and will return to the hospital Nov 3 for operation. I can;t believe this, a major hospital will close its operating room for 3 days to install some machines. I do not know what these machines are but why has all operating rooms be closed.

The doctors, currently only 3 specialist down from 5, now says my father has gallstones.

Last week, they said that all test have been done and he is OK so it is GASTRITIS. I insisted that they make sure. A few other test and they said all tests have really been done and my father is suffering from SEVERE DEPRESSION. They gave my father some vitamins and "relaxant" intravenously, changed medicines so he won,t vomit but the symptoms remain. After repeatedly saying for the 3rd time that all tests have been done, they performed an expensive CTSCAN (about twice the cost of a CTSCAN of the whole stomach) and now say m,y father has a severe GALLSTONE PROBLEMS. They said that earlier tests were by ultrasound which shows that the gall bladder is not inflamed and that there were only a few gallstones. That my father's gall bladder is fine.

NOW, not only are there many gallstones but some are near a valve or something. Anyway, there is risk that one of these gallstone will pass through the spleen making it a REAL EMERGENCY situation. On Wednesday, they said my father must be operated on ASAP. That we must not wait. One was scheduled Saturday(Oct 29). Then, the 3 doctors discussed the problem and said that my father can be discharged (yesterday Oct 28). They said that te operation will be too RUSHED so its better to wait. That the hospital's operating room will be closed Oct 31-Nov 2. That there will be no doctors (meaning them) except for hospital emergency doctors.

So, after a test that followed

ALL TESTS HAVE BEEN DONE
GASTRITIS
SOME MORE TESTS
ALL TESTS HAVE REALLY BEEN DONE SO, IT MUST BE
SEVERE DEPRESSION
ANOTHER TESTS BECAUSE THERE IS NO REASON WHY MY FATHER STILL KEEPS ON VOMITING
NEW DIAGNOSIS OF GALLSTONES
ASAP OPERATION RECOMMENDED (BEFORE THE OPERATING ROOM CLOSES FOR SOME INSTALLATION)
ASAP OPERATION, BECAUSE THE STONES MAY PASS THROUGH THE SPLEEN ANYTIME RESCHEDULED FOR 4 DAYS?? BUT IN FAIRNESS, THEY SAID THAT IT WILL ALSO GIVE TIME FOR THE PHLEGM IN MY FATHER'S LUNGS TO SUBSIDE BECAUSE AN OPERATION UNDER SUCH SITUATION CAN BE DANGEROUS (My brother in was operated on for gallstones last year but the doctor did not check his lungs so he spent 3 days in the ICU because of life threatening complications so that much I understand).

Can anybody tell me what is really going on? Am I just being too emotionally involved? Why do I feel incompetence? Or is this the normal procedure for a case of VOMITING AND LOSS OF APPETITE (NO ABDOMINAL PAIN)

What I am really afraid of is that after the operation, considering the "poor" diagnosis for my father's problem, that they will announce that it is another problem.

So, I still hope someone has experience the same symptoms and problems.

Sorry for the rant

 
Old 11-05-2011, 12:53 AM   #4
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Re: How do you know if its time to go?

Well, I do know vomiting and only eating a few spoonfulls of food each day is not normal. Have you asked him why he isn't eating? I haven't seen your dad's medical chart but I think what you need to do is take him somewhere else to get a second opinion if you are uncomfortable with the care he is receiving. As a family member, what you can do is make sure you advocate for him (sounds like you are already doing that) and continue to communicate all of your concerns to the physician and nurse. Family members know the patient better than anyone.

 
Old 11-05-2011, 01:23 AM   #5
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We do plan to get a second opinion but my father trust his heart surgeon friend who "confirmed" that an operation is indeed needed. But that is moot and academic now as my father underwent the operation yesterday, stayed at the recovery room all night, and is now transferred to his regular hospital room.

All vital signs is said to be normal but he has not farted yet. He complains of pains when coughing which should be normal but just a few hours ago complains of excessive pain and was given some pain killers. I will stay with him tonight and will see if there are developments.

I will also try to get more details for the interest of others with the same condition/dilemma. Are there any particular charts that may be helpful?

But the doctors showed the "gallstones and the "rotting" gall bladder. The said that my father's "rotting" gall bladder indicated that problem is not only recent. But because his gall bladder was not inflamed and therefore no abdominal pain, the problem was left undiagnosed.

They also said that one of the stones found itw way into the liver and they have to use a special apparatus to remove it. They also inserted a tube in my father's stomach and which will stay there for about 2 months. That it is meant to drain out possible gallstone fragments.

I am really hoping that the doctors are right and my father will get well soon. We expect the bill to sum up to the equivalent of 3 year's minimum wage here (about 1/6 of which was due to the "failed" test, diagnosis and medication.


And about 4-5 months ago, I experienced what is almost similar to a typical gallstone problem. All the pain including the back and the shoulder blades. Except, the pain in front was dead center in the upper abdomen and not "to the(my) right". I dismissed it as muscle pain but am now thinking it is gallstones. I am planning to do a "cleansing" which they said is OK even if one does not have gallstones. Essentially, it involves drinking of apple juice with 1-5 cloves of garlic and some ginger for 2 weeks plus reduction in fat intake. Then 2 glass of water with epsom salts 2 hours apart followed by olive oil + lemon juice.

Do you think that is OK and/or do you have some "cleansing" suggestions?

 
Old 11-05-2011, 01:53 AM   #6
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Re: How do you know if its time to go?

It sounds like you are a very caring child towards your parent. Make sure you take care of yourself too.. to keep a solid mental and emotional well-being while going through this. As I said before I can't offer medical advice as I haven't seen your dad's chart but the best thing you can do to care for him is communicate concerns to his dr. and nurse, and take care of yourself too.
As far as cleanses go, you will probably have to ask about that in a different section of these message boards.
Good luck to you!

 
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