I see that there was a lengthy discussion on this site about Libidus pills. A lot of men thought they might have contained Viagra or some other similar hard drug. Well they were correct, however they were not the only so called herbal ED pills that were sneaking hard drugs into their product.
Have you tried "Red Rooster", "Passion RX" or "Sure Erect" herbal pills? I have found all these to be reasonable in helping my ED problem but none are as good as Viagra or Cialis. Has anybody discovered a herbal erection pill that works very well? If so, I hope it's not one of the brands mentioned in the FDA article above.
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Viapro and Rize 2 work very well for me, but my ED is only mild. Actually, I tried 50 mg of Viagra that the doctor gave me and the Viapro and Rize 2 worked better. I only tried the Viagra 4 times though. The first 2 times was the 50 mg pill split into 25 mg and the second 2 times was with 50 mg each time. I have taken both an entire Viapro or Rize 2 capsule and have also opened them and repackaged them into blank capsules. I like the 1/2 capsule the best. The 1/2 works for about 2 days and the whole capsule works for about 3 days, but it gives me a slight headache and a slightly stuffy nose. However, someone posted here (below) that the new Viapro (called Ziapro) dosen't work any more. The effects of both of these is similar to Cialis, so perhaps there is some in there and they took it out in the new Viapro. I think I'm going to order more Rize 2 while I can get it. I may try the Viagra again. I have also found reviews of both Viapro and Rize 2 (about 50 reviews each) and almost all men say that they work very well. However, perhaps 1/3 say that the side effects are bad and the same as the ED drugs. Viapro and Rize 2 were discussed here earlier this year:
I have never tried anything else but these. I tried these because the reviews that I found sounded promising.
By the way, they take about 2 hours to work for me and then last for 2 days. I like to take the 1/2 capsule when I get awake in the morning on an empty stomach, but the headache is less with the full capsule if I take it about 2 hours after lunch. The early morning works well for me since I am retired, as my wife and I are more likely to have sex in the morning after she wakes up when we are the most refreshed.
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Thanks Whytry and Leo46 for your replies so far. I will research Viapro, Rise 2 and Love Fuel and perhaps try one or two of them in the near future. However, are you guys absolutely sure there are no hard drugs in these products because the way they seem to work for you seems a bit too good (better than Viagra and last 3 days you say) for a purely herbal product?
As I hinted at in my post, I am guessing that both Viapro and Rize 2 might have some generic ED drug in them, most likely Cialis from India from the fact that they work for 2 to 3 days. Of course, there is no way to tell if this is the case until tests are done on these supplements. The fact that when Viapro was renamed to Ziapro and listed the exact same ingredientes and completely stopped working for at least one person indicates to me that something was removed from the formula. They also have the same side effects as the ED drugs. Without knowing, I would guess that Love Fuel could be the same. If there is no generic ED drug in these then they could probably charge a lot more for their formula. Of course, they couldn't patent an herbal formula because there are only natural and not synthetic ingrediantes in it.
I think that you will discover that any product that actually works for men has been later found to have had some generic ED drug in it. I think that you will also find that any of the herbal products that are not laced with any of the generic ED drugs are very good at taking your money (and lots of it), telling you that you have to use it every day for many months and then do nothing or next to nothing in the end. However, if you are lucky enough to find a product that is really completely herbal and actually works, then please post it. However, remember that there are a lot of "natural" products for sexual, weight loss and other things that have caused deaths. These had no illegal drugs in them. If the generic ED drug is from a good supplier, like one of the generic drug manufacturers from India then it is most likely safer than the legal products that contain a high dose of something like yohimbe in it.
Have you tried "Uprima" (I haven't as yet) because it works in a totally different way to Viagra and Cialis? Also, soon I will be trying a free sample of "Machismo Tablets" which are being sent to me. They have only 3 ingredients in them (so they claim) and all are herbal. I will post the result I get with them soon.
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Uprima is not available in the US and, from what I just read, there are no plans to introduce it in the US, so I guess I won't have any chance to try it. Aparently, Uprima is currently available only in the UK and parts of Europe. It does sound pretty good though. It works much faster than Viagra and can be taken with food, but it still only lasts up to 4 hours. My choice would still be Cialis for any of the legal and approved ED drugs, as it lasts 36 to up to 72 hours for some men. I know that Viapro and Rize 2 would work from 48 to 72 hours for me, but then I can still function with no drug. It just takes more work to do so without some help at my age of 63. With Viapro or Rize 2, just looking at my wife or talking to her about sex will do it. I have to be careful looking at attractive women when out shopping the day that I take one in the morning. Viagra 50 mg didn't do much for me, but I will try some of the samples from my doc again. I didn't get samples of Cialis because of the cost. My insurance covers Viagra (only 4 per month) but not Cialis.
I just found info about Rize 2 on a prescription drug information site that says that it was recalled because certain lots contained thiomethisosildenafil, an undeclared ingredient that is an analog of sildenafil. That's very intesesting. Sildenafil is the generic name of Viagra. I have tried Viagra 50 mg twice and it did nothing for me. I'll have to try again. The other thing is that Viagra effects only last for about 4 hours, whereas the effects of this lasts for 2 to 3 days, depending on dose. Perhaps the combination of sildenafil and the herbal stuff works better than Viagra alone.
Whytry I'm not surprised that they found thiomethisosildenafil in the Rize 2 pills. From the way you claimed they worked, I felt sure they had some sort of hard drug in them. The only spiked herbal product I've tried so far was Maxidus capsules. They worked quite well for me but I knew by the second time that I used them that they were spiked with Viagra. I agree with your comments about herbal ED products. I don't think I'm going to find one that really works well. I just hope I hear from somebody on this thread about some herbal product that they have tried even if the results they obtained were poor. By the way, I am 61, married, and my ED would be rated as mild (similar I guess to yours).
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I'm 63 and married also and I started to have a problem about a year ago. I can function without using anything, but sometimes we have to work to keep an erection. I'm also not as hard as before. I don't think I have ever failed to be able to have sex. However, the Viapro and Rize 2 make me like I was 10 or 15 years ago, so we both like that.
The thing that I don't understand is that the effects of both last for 2 or 3 days, with the 3rd day being less, but Viagra is supposed to only last 4 to 6 hours. That's why I assumed that it had Cialis in it.
You can still get rize 2 Old formula online- or you may still find some old stock at your local adult novelty store- The new formulation without the thiomethisosildenafil has lot numbers beginning with BL on the package- the old formula- with the good stuff in it has the lot numbers of CG-84, GD-98, CC-06,709 AND CG-79. I love this thiomethisosildenafil and if anyone knows any OTC herbal concoctions that you think may contain it, please reply here.
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Very interesting... I have tried the "Rise 2 The Occasion" formula before the recall... WOW!
This stuff WAS incredible! I LITERALLY felt like I was fourteen years old again... I began sporting wood in public over the slightest little thing... Over NOTHING, really... It almost became dangerous, because not everybody in public wants to see your erection bulging in your pants! It SERIOUSLY was amazing stuff.
I have the old bottle right here...
The only thing listed on the bottle that is NOT listed on the newly distributed bottles is "Pyrogluamate".
Anyhow, there are a VARIETY of reasons why men have decreased libido and stamina "in bed"... Some are nuerological, others involve the capillaries... THAT is why some natural formulas work for SOME men but not for others.
Read the book "Hot Plants, Nature's Proven Sex Boosters For Men And Women" by Chris Kilham (The Medicine Hunter). An excellent book and a fairly quick read, well foot-noted by the man who has traveled into the jungles of the world and has spoken with the native elders regarding such Hot Plants.
In the meantime, does anyone here know of any really great natural alternatives to Viagra or Cialis???
Anyone tried Stiff Nights? The packaging warns not to take if you take nitrates for heart pain...sounds like it may work..I got one but am going to use the rest of my Rose 4 Her first- not as good as Rize 2 but like a 25mg viagra .