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Old 05-30-2001, 10:35 PM   #1
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a question for Catholics

Well yes, all of us that have gone to church and sunday school have heard it, it is selfish and self-centered to masterbate, it is considered being against the commandment that states you should not worship another god, somehow, they think the other god is you, being self-centered. I am catholic, i go to church and sunday school and am not a bad kid and yes, I do masterbate, i do respect my religion but i go against wut they said about masterbation....what are other people views on this?

 
Old 05-31-2001, 03:56 AM   #2
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Re: a question for Catholics

I'm not Catholic but do understand the expectations the church places on you guys. I also know that masturbation is THE safest form of sexual expression there is. So, I say keep masturbating and don't let the guilt get to you. As a protestant I struggled for a long time with this because I felt guilty about the fantasy I was using as part of my masturbation. But you know what? In the big scheme of things it's not that big of a deal. Certainly don't do anything illegal (like getting caught in public or something!) I also know that you aren't the only Catholic who masturbates! Again, don't let the guilt drive you crazy, just be safe and do what all guys do, masturbate and have fun!

 
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Old 05-31-2001, 07:27 AM   #3
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Re: a question for Catholics

The Catholic Church's position on masturbation has nothing to do with worship of "another god." If you are a hopeless narcissist, however, perhaps you can consider masturbation as idolatry.

Unlike our animal friends, we have an intellect and that gives us the ability to think and reason. Moreover, the intellect elevates reproduction to a cerebral level and not merely instinctual. Men and women, again in contrast to animals, can decide when they will make babies.

Our ability to procreate is considered a gift form God. We may use this gift freely. The Church gives us some rules on how we need to manage our sexualities. These rules are simple. They can be debated, accepted or rejected, hated, respected etc. Yet, they are conditions for membership in the church club.

As Catholics, we try to live the rule that all sexual intercourse be open to the creation of new life. Masturbation, for obvious reasons, does not support this rule. The conclusion, therefore, is simple. You may not like the rule, but it is nonetheless a rule.

I acknowledge my response to this issue is much generalized and will no doubt generate some interesting retorts. That is a good thing. Realize, however, that the Church recognizes masturbation as a natural thing. The Church does not declare masturbation to be dirty, perverted, evil, etc. The Catholic Church merely calls us to exercise our intellect. In that masturbation is not open to the creation of new life, the act itself is an impediment to full membership in the church. Human nature can be frail. That is why the sacrament of confession exists.

As for the guilt associated with masterbation I will suggest this. Guilt is the sign of moral pain.

 
Old 05-31-2001, 09:15 AM   #4
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I would never want to be ANY part of a religous "club" as you put it, that you had to 'qualify' to get in. My son is 8-years-old and autistic. Doesn't talk, understands some, and 'masturbates' (plays with his penis until it's hard). Please explain to me how that is 'wrong' or that a child who has no clue about right and wrong should feel guilty about something that so obviously comes naturally. It is a part of human nature. It is not dirty or wrong. It is not something you should feel guilty over just because a 'club'(church) has decided FOR you that it is wrong. As for the guilt being moral pain...you feel pain because you have been told it is wrong...not because it is. Big difference.

I am not real familiar with the catholic rules, but you shouldn't feel guilty about something that is as natural as brushing your teeth!

Take Care!!

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Old 05-31-2001, 10:19 AM   #5
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I wouldn't worry about it too much. I was born and raised Catholic, and what is written and what is practiced are often not the same. Most modern Catholics have adapted to the times. Most practice birth control, most have at least some premarital experiences, and I'm betting that most masturbate. I was taught that God cares about the big stuff-- such as how you treat other people. I know that many people would disagree with me, and that's ok, but I truly think that with almost any organized religion, in order for it to be a meaningful part of your life, you have to use your common sense and get what you can out of it, while ignoring the things about it that aren't helpful to your life, such as excessive guilt about doing something quite natural that harms no one.

 
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I tried to "neutralize" my position by acknowledging my post as generalized. It did not work. I will reflect on your comments as follows: 1) re-read my post. I do not claim masturbation to be evil, etc. nor does the church 2) i say "club" to make a point. membership has requirements. if someone does not like the requirements or finds they cannot be a contributing member, they should leave. 3) you are correct. your son does not have the capacity to understand right from wrong. this discussion does not apply to him.

I ask this question seriously. Why do people harbor such hostility towards the church on issues such as these? Like it or not, the Church is merely presenting it's teachings. We are free to ignore them etc. However, why continue to claim membership?

Redfox illustrates how we tend to change rules to conform to our individual thinking (written vs. practiced). 65 mph is the written speed limit on most highways. most drivers practice a 70-75 mph speed. we sure get mad when we are held accountable for breaking this written law.

I agree with redfox. we personalize our religions. we tailor it to fit our needs or beliefs. in doing so, we are accountable to the consequences of maintaining or ignoring the laws or teachings of the religion.

I have many issues with the Catholic church and specific teachings which i disregard. These issues remain between myself and the church. I do not try to discredit the church because of my thinking.

 
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I'm not catholic so I really don't know (or care) what their 'laws' are.

I am Methodist and I believe that ANY issue I have is between me and God, not me and my church.

I only used my son as an example of how it is human nature. He is not void of natural human tendencies and his actions prove-to me-that it is all a part of human nature. Just my opinion though.

To each his own.

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Sherri

 
Old 05-31-2001, 09:26 PM   #8
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>Why do people harbor such hostility towards the church on issues such as these?

Possibly because it creates a situation where they want to do something, "everyone else is doing it," and there is no apparent drawback but still there is a rule against it.

Start telling any reasonable people that they can't have long hair because it's a sin (just as a made up example) and they'll laugh at you, but when you raise them with that belief they have a little more trouble getting around it.

The church is like a club in that there are requirments of the members, but kids are born into it. They don't get to choose. Raised with the knowledge that if they don't want to be part of the club then they're going to be a bad person and/or burn for eternity. I think it's really not right, but that's all I'm going to write about it.

So, anyway, for the first person with the question: You are choosing which rules/morals to make your own. I think that's good. If you can do things because you think they're right, rather than because of religeous, parental, or legal pressure then I think you're in a good place. Stick to what *you* know is right and you'll be a good person.

 
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Re: a question for Catholics

Quote from an earlier post:
"The Catholic Church merely calls us to exercise our intellect. In that masturbation is not open to the creation of new life, the act itself is an impediment to full membership in the church. Human nature can be frail. That is why the sacrament of confession exists."

Well, I've gotta say, I sure get lost in that paragraph of contradictions! I fail to see where "intellect" figures in! The operative word is dogma, not intellect. I'm quite sure the Catholic Church is full of boys & men with intellect intact, who consider themselves full members of the church, and who masturbate just like the protestants! And I have GRAVE doubts that they all report to the priest every time they do it! --But thanks to that post-er for trying to explain the situation -- you indicated ahead of time that you knew your comments would generate lively replies, so I'm sure you're not surprised that they did.

 
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I am sure the Pope did it when he didn't have to have someone help him just to stand.
Don't worry about it. It is good to question the rules that churches put on us. They are entities created by man, not God. As stated earlier, it is a club and in a club rules are made to make it members conform and feel as if they are part of something special. Relax and enjoy a good jerk. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/wink.gif">

 
Old 06-21-2001, 05:50 PM   #11
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Re: a question for Catholics

They say that 97% of the people admit to indulging in masturbation and the other 3%...
are lying. tee hee

It is more common than you think. It is useful too, in that it's uplifting, it gives you added self-assurance (it's one area where you have total control, and you do it better than anyone else, you become familiar with your body and form your preferences, which can make you more confident in the bedroom, and best of all, it makes your face glow like nothing else.

And it's free!!!

Never a dull moment,
Kista

 
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