This might be a sort of weird question, but, sometimes I masterbate in the shower- I'll take the shower head off and, well you know the rest. My question is, can water be forced up the clitoris and cause infections? A few years ago I got kindey infection and the docs were baffeled at how I got it- i had a lingering thought in the back of my head. Does anyone have any information on this? It's sorta embarrassing to admit, but I am really curious to know what information you people know. Thanks!
Firstly, this is not a weird question at all, Dangerousgirl. Asking questions promotes education, and thereís nothing weird about being educated. Unfortunately, though, not enough people ask this question and I wish more would. Aquatic sex is a popular but largely misunderstood activity. Now, it is not my intention to scare you and there is no way of knowing for certain if your kidney infection was a direct result of your self-stimulating activities and especially if your doctors were stumped (By the way, stumped doctors are always a little suspect to me and I would suggest, if itís at all possible, that you seek out a new doc whoís less prone to bewilderment! <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/round.gif"> And be up-front with your doctor; tell them you like to pleasure yourself in the shower and youíre concerned about safety. If they are a legitimate doctor and a dignified adult theyíve heard it all anyway and theyíre supposed to be there to help and advise you.) There are a lot of myths surrounding "underwater sex" and water entering the vagina (which is what I think you intended to ask as opposed to the clitoris which has no opening). Some doctors express more concern than others, but one thing remains fact; DAMAGE CAN OCCUR from water being forced into the vagina. The debate is what the odds are of this damage occurring. Well, personally, I say if itís happened enough to be documented, then itís odds enough to be cautious.
What can occur is the water that is forced into the vagina could possibly be pushed into the uterus or the abdominal cavity and cause damage. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/eek.gif"> This type of effect is called "air embolus" and it can occur in any lower orifice, like the anus, so this includes men also. Although, this "air embolus" is what many doctors consider a rarity, a concern that many doctors share is the possibility of infection or irritation from the bacteria or chemicals in the water. Regardless of the locale, water can contain micro-organisms and impurities that when forced into the body can cause irritation and infection. This MAY have been what caused your kidney infection, but I do stress ďmayĒ! There could be a number of other causes. Take note however, that underwater coitus forces water into the vagina or anus by pumping action such as thrusting from the penis.
Aside from all this general information, letís put YOUR personal case into perspective. Most of the concern of "underwater sex" is the penetration and trusting involved. However, by your description, it would seem that you are just stimulating your clitoris by the water pressure from the showerhead. Your clitoris is not likely to get infected by this activity alone and the shower is recommended by doctors as much safer for aquatic sexual activity than bathtubs, Jacuzzis, pools, etc. Generally, I would say that your activity does not put you at a high risk for internal organ damage or infection... but the problem, Dangerousgirl, is that you DID get an infection and although it is not known for sure that it was a result of the activity in question, it canít and shouldnít be ruled out, as it is certainly cause for concern. So, having said all that, I would suggest that you determine if at all, while stimulating your clitoris with the showerhead, you allowed the water via the pressure, to enter your vagina. If so, perhaps you need to reposition the direct flow of water, or ensure that the water pressure isnít being forced into the vagina. I would hate for you to have to abandon something so pleasurable and orgasm enticing <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/biggrin.gif">, but basically, I would urge you to consider the safety precautions involved with this activity. Oh, and also finding a doctor not as easily baffled and whoís a little more "savvy" to his/her practice will help. And when you find that doctor, be sure to be as open with them as need be, that way they can more easily determine the cause of any health problems, advise you of the ways to ensure they donít happen again, and more likely to help you avoid any more in the future. Take care. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/angel.gif">
WOE thanks for all the information!- I guess I may have mis-worded a few things- I was concerned if water could get forced up through the urethra (not clitoris!). I know that not a lot of water gets forced up my actual vaginal opening, because I mostly position the shower head at my clitoris. I thought that maybe a small amount of water got into my urethra and maybe after a while it found its way up to my kindeys? Well that was about 2 years ago and I have been fine since
Thanks again for all you info!!
Hi again, Dangerousgirl. I knew you couldnít have meant your clitoris, because the clitoris has no opening, so I naturally assumed that you were referring to your vagina opening, which of course is a much larger opening than the urethra. However, from your mentioning of the kidney infection, I should have considered the urethra as well. Your kidney infection is better attributed to your urethra than your vagina and this helps to put your situation into a more specific perspective. What I explained in my above response still applies; damage and infection can occur when water (which contains micro organisms) is forced into any orifice of the female or male body. So, this includes the vagina in females and the anus & urethra in both males and females. Females are more prone to urinary tract infections (UITs) because we have a shorter urethra and the proximity of the urethra to sources of bacteria such as the vagina and the anus increases our odds. However, urinary tract infections (UTIs) in men, which are usually caused by obstructions like kidney stones or an enlarged prostate, can be a much worse and more stubborn infection for men, because treatment for prostate infections are not very effective and the prostate infection can be fatal.
<IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/grad.gif">As I'm sure you learned in high school biology
<IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/biggrin.gif">, the urinary tract system works with the Kidneys removing toxic waste from our body and producing urine, next the Ureter drains that urine from the Kidneys, and the Bladder holds the urine when finally we must urinate, so the Urethra tube expels the urine from the Bladder. Infections occur when something gets into this system and starts to multiply. Most of the time the infection begins in the urethra. If it stays there it's called Urethritis. If it spreads up to the bladder it is called Cystitis. But, if the infection continues to spread it can reach the kidneys and is called Pyelonephritis, and this may be the kidney infection you had. So, to answer your question: "maybe a small amount of water got into my urethra and maybe after a while it found its way up to my kindeys?", in short, yes, there is a good possibility that is what happened. In fact, all info seems to point in that direction. If it's any consultation (probably not), urinary tract infections are not all that uncommon. The reason that they're not all that uncommon is probably because of the many risk factors. These include, people with diabetes or any disease that lowers the immune system, also women who use a diaphragm have an increased risk for UTIís, and most frightening of all is that intercourse can also increase the risk because bacteria can be forced into the urethra. On average, one in five women will have an infection, one in five will have a second and 30 percent of those will have a third; eighty percent of the women who have had three will have more. Those are pretty unfortunate odds, eh? <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/frown.gif">, and it seems that your odds increase if youíve had an infection once, you are likely to have one again. But there are measures that can be taken to avoid UTIís such as drinking plenty of water, not delaying; urinating whenever you have the urge, wiping from front to back, taking showers instead of baths, and urinating soon after intercourse or masterbation. Dangerousgirl, Iím glad to hear that you have not had a resurgence of kidney infection or any further problems <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/t_up.gif">, I would still suggest taking precautions to avoid any infection, since youíre still a likely candidate for another one.
I hope this information proves helpful, and I also hope you never have to experience an infection ever again. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif"> Good luck and take care. <IMG SRC="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/angel.gif">
Im wondering why your doc was stumped about a kidney infection. People have them all of the time. And a lot of men get them too so it is most likely not from shower head mastubation. I wouldn't worry if I were you. Lots and Lots of women do that.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Elis:
<B>urinating soon after intercourse or masterbation. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would like to agree on all that Elis has said, but I'd also like to highlight this point.
I always ALWAYS urinate after intercourse and masterbation because a friend of one of my friends once started to urinate blood, and when she went to the doc to find out what was wrong he told her that often after intercourse/masterbation your body still hasn't released all the fluids that it has created during the stimulation/penetration, which can lead to infections, whether or not you end up urinating blood.
So, it's a good idea to urinate after.
But, alas I am a big fan of masterbating with showerheads, and I'd just advise you to take extra care in making sure you don't forcefully... force water into the vaginal opening.
Because, well you already know why from Elis' posts.
Good luck, and play safe.
<B><I>"Tomorrow may be better, but today I chose not to feel..."</I></B><p>[This message has been edited by Disposition (edited 06-30-2002).]