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Old 07-01-2004, 06:15 PM   #16
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Re: Benzo Withdrawl - Scared & Helpless !

Guys,

I have another question.

When I'm on OR Off Valium - Lately my sleeping has become really strange. I sleep at my normal time 10pm/11pm but I seem to wake a lot during the night. Maybe once every 2 hours. When I say awake, I mean I'm fully awake and then fall back to sleep.

Is this withdrawl? or is it more related to the Anxiety? - I notice these days that Valium doesn't seem to make me as tired anymore.

Also, I have very wierd dreams. I can remember them most of the time and they are always more life like then before.

Whats happening to me? Has anyone experienced something similar?

Thanks!

Josh.
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Old 07-01-2004, 07:22 PM   #17
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Re: Benzo Withdrawl - Scared & Helpless !

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Thank you for all the information.

I went and saw another doctor today in the same clinic. I explained that the previous doctor has stopped me all together and didn't allow me to taper.

I told him I was unhappy and experiencing bad withdrawls from Valium. I was totally upfront.

He agreed with a taper method but wasn't happy about allowing me to use Valium. I did explain to him I had a depedency and I was NOT a Junkie.

The doctor I was seeing was very reluctant to prescribe me Valium but he did in the end. The taper is 5MG for 2 weeks, 2MG for 2 weeks, and then 1MG for 2 weeks then finish.

I hope this works.

What do you guys think?

Josh...
That is a 6 week taper, fast in my opinion, and appears well faster than the 10% a week that U.S. pharamacists typically recommend. Way faster than Ashton recommends. But again, you may get away with it considering your age and short term usage. I quit with zero withdrawals after 9 months on Xanax. Ran out of pills... Sorry you go hooked so fast. What dose are you starting at?

I tried a fast taper with Klonopin and you do not want to know about the hell that went on for over 3 weeks. Granted I had a lot of outside stressors at the time... How long would the hell have continued? We can never know as I put the drugs back in and started a slow taper. I have managed to work all but 2 weeks ever since I began this taper that has involved spending 5 months to cut out 15 mgs of Valium. No matter what you decide, it would pay to stabilze at your starting dose before beginning to taper. If you want to go slower then you will need to print a copy of the Ashton Manual and try and convince your doctor. As you will need more prescriptions that his plan will allow.
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Old 07-01-2004, 07:24 PM   #18
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Re: Benzo Withdrawl - Scared & Helpless !

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Originally Posted by shal
Guys,

I have another question.

When I'm on OR Off Valium - Lately my sleeping has become really strange. I sleep at my normal time 10pm/11pm but I seem to wake a lot during the night. Maybe once every 2 hours. When I say awake, I mean I'm fully awake and then fall back to sleep.

Is this withdrawl? or is it more related to the Anxiety? - I notice these days that Valium doesn't seem to make me as tired anymore.

Also, I have very wierd dreams. I can remember them most of the time and they are always more life like then before.

Whats happening to me? Has anyone experienced something similar?

Thanks!

Josh.
Yep, all that it typical, sadly. Sometimes the dreams are good though. Got to find a silver lining somewhere... And virtually all withdrawal symptoms are anxiety related. You cannot really make a distinction there... But the anxiety in withdrawal is at a level before unknown to me. Our nervous systems got used to the unnatural calming of the benzos and when they are removed it goe into overdrive. Becomes much more vulnerable to stress. How long it takes to settle down varies person to person. But reducing the dose of the drug gradually gives the body a chance to gradually adjust itself toward taking on it`s natural calming duties. A cold turkey can cause a big shock, and, according to some theorists such as Ashton, put one at more risk of what is called a "protracted withdrawal syndrome." This is where withdrawals, to some degree, last a very long time, like over a year.

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Old 07-01-2004, 09:26 PM   #19
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Re: Benzo Withdrawl - Scared & Helpless !

Cant believe any doctor would have a patient using a benzo for more than a month would have the patient stop cold turkey. Any doctor should know the concequences of it, such as sezuires for one. But Valium is one of the weaker benzos.

Hopefully with your short time on them and a taper plan, you should be able to come off them completley. Maybe a little early and save a few of those pills until you really really need them!! Or you could ask your doctor about vistiril or meprobamate for anxiety. both work well and are not benzos. I have been using Ativan for several years myself, 2mg four times a day. I recently weened myself off the ativan on my own and now only use it when I really need it. The idea behind the daily benzo therapy was that it was keeping me from having attacks. Actually, let me rephrase that - it was reducing the symptoms of the panic attacks. But in the last 6-7 months I noticed I wasnt getting much of the attacks at all, so I did taper off a few months ago. I carry them with me so that if something happens, theyre there.

We are talking 5 years of daily use. And yes, there were points in my life where I abused them. I went through a extremely traumatic experience a few years back and I very heavily abused them during that time. In fact It's all I did. I went through two bottles of 2mg of ativan #120 in six days. I really had to argue with the pharmacist to get my refill. I figured sleeping the days away would help me. I litterally selpt a whole week straight, getting up only to go to the bathroom, and to pop more pills. After time had let me heal, I had no problem returning to my normal dosage of 2mg (a half, or one) four times a day I usually took around 6mg a day. So what I did was for a week i broke them in half, so went down to 1mg three times a day, then after another week, .5mg three times a day, then the next week .5mg twice a day. At this time I started to really feel the withdrawal catching up on me. And after another week .25mg twice a day for a few days and that was it. After I did it, the first few days were hell. I was so weak and I had a terrible migraine, I was extremely violent and full of rage, I vomited from consuming anything - even drinking milk, i was hallucinating and having terrible panic attacks. But I wouldnt take the medicine because then it will defeat everything i just did. But I got through it. And every time I thought if I just took one pill i'd feel fine...I thought about this headache and being so sick and being out of work for almost a week...and popped some naprosen for my headache.

The last three months, I have been using the lorazepam only when I need it. I start with 1mg and if it doesnt help me then I will take a whole 2mg pill, and then it subsides.

hoping that you get through this.
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Old 07-02-2004, 10:05 AM   #20
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Re: Benzo Withdrawl - Scared & Helpless !

Just to let you know that the slow taper does work ok -- I did about 10% less every few weeks, going from 1.0 Xanax a day down, have been off completely for several weeks.

The one symptom I get is skipped heartbeats -- but I have mitral valve prolapse and that is part of why I got on Xanax to begin with -- stress in my life would start that irregular heartbeat, which is disturbing and uncomfortable although my dr. assures me it doesn't mean I'll have an actual heart health problem.

Good luck with getting off of it . . .
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