Alcohol Self Detox w/Xanax

[howard678]

Originally Posted by Jennita

Hey, it's not just the half life but since they are low potency with the availbility of low dosage pills, they are easier to cut down! A 3 mg. Valium is like a quarter potency of a 1 mg. Ativan. Easier to reach those low, low dosages when cutting up pills!

In referring to receptors, benzos are not all created alike. They do have different chemical compounds, and effect the brain a bit different although basically alike; for example, Klonopin is the one which has anti-seizure benefits and is prescribed for such, Ativan and Xanax are more for panic/anxiety, and ones like Restorial and Halcion are strictly hypnotics. Ambien is only slightly able to pass for non-benzo, missing one receptor activity. But it bites just like the benzo.....it's sort of that obnoxious 2nd cousin always horning in on family events.

See, although in the same family, benzos are different chemically and how they effect the brain; I'm guessing alcohol, since there are so many different types, might be sort of like that too?

But both share the same effect of being absolutely no good for anyone on a regular basis.

Anyway, I agree with you basically on all counts. Hopefully this guy/gal (where?) in the meantime, while we are chatting, is getting himself off the booze safely and being careful to avoid getting hooked on Xanax in the process.

Jennita,

Internet benzo brain science and recovery is a world of it`s own, complete with it`s own creeds and terminology, and a wide range of claims and testimonies. I`ve done my homework. I`d say I believe about 25% of it, take 50% with a grain of salt, and reject the other 25. I told you my source on the receptor binding, check it out. I do not necessarily buy it myself. Ashton concludes her manual by saying that more research is needed and, in so many words, that she is not claiming to have the final word. That is responsible of her in my estimation. Unfortunately, many that have spring boarded from her are far more sure of themselves and engage in much embellishment, somtimes to the point of the bizzare. What I do buy for sure is that Valium is the best benzo to taper, that I need to minimize stress, and come off these drugs. That is all I need to know.

On the alcohol, as far as I know, ethyl alcohol is ethyl alcohol, produced through fermentation. I doubt there is much of an analogy between this and certain pill types within a family made by chemists in a science lab. But if you come to believe there is, feel free to affirm it here without challenge from me. But do not expect me to accept it uncritically or invest my attention with it. IMO, there comes a time to get on with one`s life and stop fuming at drug companies, doctors, and world economies, stop reading internet horror stories that often may be totally unrelated or only partially related to benzos, stop analyzing brain theories, and stop reading the posts of a minority that remains around the net overtly or invertly promising others long term doom and gloom. This is a disease all it`s own. I am closing that chapter.

To those with the drinking problem, I`d say A.A. is probably your best source. They have been at it 60 some odd years. They can help you decide if you are alcoholic and give good guidance about how to get and stay sober. And you may just find a good home among these many fine people. But like anything else, you got to want it...

[Jennita]

Originally Posted by howard678

Jennita,

Internet benzo brain science and recovery is a world of it`s own, complete with it`s own creeds and terminology, and a wide range of claims and testimonies. I`ve done my homework. I`d say I believe about 25% of it, take 50% with a grain of salt, and reject the other 25. I told you my source on the receptor binding, check it out. I do not necessarily buy it myself. Ashton concludes her manual by saying that more research is needed and, in so many words, that she is not claiming to have the final word. That is responsible of her in my estimation. Unfortunately, many that have spring boarded from her are far more sure of themselves and engage in much embellishment, somtimes to the point of the bizzare. What I do buy for sure is that Valium is the best benzo to taper, that I need to minimize stress, and come off these drugs. That is all I need to know.

On the alcohol, as far as I know, ethyl alcohol is ethyl alcohol, produced through fermentation. I doubt there is much of an analogy between this and certain pill types within a family made by chemists in a science lab. But if you come to believe there is, feel free to affirm it here without challenge from me. But do not expect me to accept it uncritically or invest my attention with it. IMO, there comes a time to get on with one`s life and stop fuming at drug companies, doctors, and world economies, stop reading internet horror stories that often may be totally unrelated or only partially related to benzos, stop analyzing brain theories, and stop reading the posts of a minority that remains around the net overtly or invertly promising others long term doom and gloom. This is a disease all it`s own. I am closing that chapter.

To those with the drinking problem, I`d say A.A. is probably your best source. They have been at it 60 some odd years. They can help you decide if you are alcoholic and give good guidance about how to get and stay sober. And you may just find a good home among these many fine people. But like anything else, you got to want it...

I agree; I don't spend alot of time reading about benzos or posts as much as I used to, as we do have lives. Mine is still pretty full as both kids still at home, elderly parents to look in on and a husband always traveling so it's like I'm single sometimes as I deal with most everything from bills to repairs; I have had to cut down the time I spend on the internet alot. I usually spend at most, 1/2 hour max on the internet with the healthboards unless I am reading regular news and such. Most of what I've read about benzos is from my past reading, and just to let you know, some of it did not come from the benzo groups but other sources on the internet too.

But I don't read much about it these days, because basically one just realizes after all the reading, that it really boils down to benzos are bad for the brain, period. But I will always be anti-brain drugs, so I'll always be floating around the net now and then.

You know, AA is the best from what I hear! My husband's friend went there and is a fully recovered former alcoholic; he met his wife there and now they have 3 kids....how's that for a happy ending? Nice to hear that can happen in life, huh?

Hopefully anyone on the board with alcohol problems will look into AA as an option.

[howard678]

Originally Posted by Jennita

I agree; I don't spend alot of time reading about benzos or posts as much as I used to, as we do have lives. Mine is still pretty full as both kids still at home, elderly parents to look in on and a husband always traveling so it's like I'm single sometimes as I deal with most everything from bills to repairs; I have had to cut down the time I spend on the internet alot. I usually spend at most, 1/2 hour max on the internet with the healthboards unless I am reading regular news and such. Most of what I've read about benzos is from my past reading, and just to let you know, some of it did not come from the benzo groups but other sources on the internet too.

But I don't read much about it these days, because basically one just realizes after all the reading, that it really boils down to benzos are bad for the brain, period. But I will always be anti-brain drugs, so I'll always be floating around the net now and then.

You know, AA is the best from what I hear! My husband's friend went there and is a fully recovered former alcoholic; he met his wife there and now they have 3 kids....how's that for a happy ending? Nice to hear that can happen in life, huh?

Hopefully anyone on the board with alcohol problems will look into AA as an option.

I am really glad you and I have a lot of agreement. I hope I did not come on too strong... I am burned out with thinking and analyzing about this. Have been fighting this addiction for going on 9 months now, and am still tapering the drugs. I have good and bad days and moments. I feel I need to keep it quite simple and recieve rather give until this business is over. The benzo troubled people that come in here, go get them. I have faith in you.

[Jennita]

Originally Posted by howard678

I am really glad you and I have a lot of agreement. I hope I did not come on too strong... I am burned out with thinking and analyzing about this. Have been fighting this addiction for going on 9 months now, and am still tapering the drugs. I have good and bad days and moments. I feel I need to keep it quite simple and recieve rather give until this business is over. The benzo troubled people that come in here, go get them. I have faith in you.

Thanks, howard, I will. I understand about the burnout. You probably should take some breaks here and there from all of this benzo talk; then come back again, feeling better and you'll be ready to rumble!

[howard678]

Originally Posted by Jennita

Thanks, howard, I will. I understand about the burnout. You probably should take some breaks here and there from all of this benzo talk; then come back again, feeling better and you'll be ready to rumble!

Actually, I think I have finally lost any real interest in any "rumble" with strangers on the internet. Is a misappropriation of time and energy for me. In the real world I get paid for doing this, and I need the $.