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Old 03-17-2005, 02:35 AM   #11
robinhy
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Re: thyroid v. adrenals. v. menopause

Christy,

I went 2.5 months without thyroid, my TSH went up to 30 and my t4, I thin, was about 0.9. I also have low cort and even lower GH. I'm waiting to get my test info from the doc so I can post the info and get more feedback. Sadie's comments are interesting about GH. So I want to confirm exactly how low I really am.

What about you, you're not taking any thyroids meds until your adrenals are better. How bad is you thyorid. Do you have hashimoto? How long have you been off of the thyroid meds. If I go off of mine again how long can I 'survive". How do you know when you adrenals are doing better if you're not taking thyroid meds? If I take adrenal support without thyroid meds will I still notice a difference? With Hydro I didn't feel anything except the first day I took 20 mgs. I was taking 10 mg for several weeks then I decided to try 20 mg. For 1 day I was on top of the world. Actually this happens sometimes. I feel like hell for weeks or months then out of the blue I have a good day...whats up with that.

What are all of these different adrenal products you are talking about. Whats the dif between cortef, isocort, adrenal glandular, from sheep etc... Another health board I post on it was suggested that I try a synthetic adrenal hormone. It's stronger and probably more effective for me. Getting such drugs in the states without a script is much easier than here so I don't see how I can get this without a script. Therefore i want to know if changing my hydro from one brand to another might help. Or some other details about the things that you menitoned.

The books you mentioned from Dr. Lee, I read these. I've tried to get my progesterone tested my latest doc sees not point and therefore won't test it. The passage you quoted from the book...I didn't understand it. Or maybe its giveing information that is the opposite of what I'm looking for. I've read that high estrogen can lower thyroid function but can thyroid medication lower estrogen function in the same way it can lower adrenal function.

In regards to GH...can low GH cause non pituitary menopause. If low GH can prevent puberty could it also cause meno?

Robin
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Old 03-17-2005, 10:12 AM   #12
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Re: thyroid v. adrenals. v. menopause

Robin,

Good morning! I'm still on the Levoxyl. After the Armour, I went back to the Levoxyl. I don't know what would happen if I quit taking thyroid, but I don't think it's a good idea to find out. So, if your TSH went up to 30, then I would think going off thyroid meds isn't a good idea for you either.

As far as knowing if the adrenal supplements are working, I'm looking for improvement in my hypoglycemia, depression and brain fog to feel like I am getting benefits from the glandulars. I am already seeing a big improvement in my hypoglycemia, but the depression and brain fog are still pretty bad.

Cortef is natural cortisone, Isocort is sheep adrenals, and I'm currently taking bovine adrenals. I don't really know the difference between the Isocort and regular adrenal glandulars. I have read that Isocort contains 2.5 mg of natural cortisone per tablet, but I don't know if this is something that has been added or if it means that all glandulars inherently have some amount of natural cortisone in them. I'm not sure. Maybe someone can help clarify here?

As far as a synthetic adrenal hormone, I've not heard of this. Maybe someone could also comment on this?

Christy
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Old 03-17-2005, 10:51 AM   #13
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Re: thyroid v. adrenals. v. menopause

P.S. I also meant to tell you that you can always get your progesterone tested on your own. This is what I did. I got all of my hormones and cortisol tested using an online saliva-testing laboratory (no doctor prescription necessary). It's fairly inexpensive and easy, and the lab I used has a very good reputation.

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Old 03-19-2005, 12:04 PM   #14
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Re: thyroid v. adrenals. v. menopause

Just to add two cents here because I'm in the middle of a similar dillema....

It is a FACT that if adrenals go unsupported, it can be very difficult to take thryoid hormone. Armour can be wonderful, but under the circumstance of weak adrenals its a blunt instrument. You just feel really beat up. I know...I'm on Armour.

On good adrenals...Armour if you ask me, is the clear choice of thryoid replacement because it has so many properties that a pure t4 doesn't offer. The t3 in Armour, as Doc. Blanchard says can OUT pace the t4 over time, so its best to add in a synthetic "t4 kick stand." Those are my words...but a version of his theory.

I took Isocort..but it hasn't done anything for me. Doc says perhpas its to weak for someone in my condition. I had blood drawn for cortisol to see what the results are. Not in yet.

The whole sex hormone thing has its own intereseting factors. I'm just learning about those. It turns out that birth control pills are not a good choice for those on thryoid replacement. Here's why: The receptor sites get plugged up with the FAKE esrtogen making it impossible for the thryoid hormone to get in there and do its thing. This will leave you hypo...even though tests come back "normal." I've been to ten docs...NOT one ever mentioned this to me...and partly explains why I'm still in such bad shape.

As Doc Blanchard...points out this is an issue to be noted.

The last doc I went to took a test called SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOBULIN. Mine was off the charts...four times what it should be. It hangs up your androgens (testoterone) and even throid hormone. I was on birth contol pills....so....obviously I needed to kick those birth control pills to the curb right quick.

Hypothyroidism...can deplete a lot of the other hormones...and that is why doctors should be checking all the rest to make sure you aren't losing them. You need them to feel good. Its that simple.

My progesterone and estrogen levels are low...a few weeks after stopping the B.C pills. It will likely take a few cycles to clear the system for a recheck. So..we shall see.

In the meantime....my DHEA (also turnes into estrogen and testoterone) was low too. So...without testosterone and DHEA its no wonder I'm still half dead. Those are your AGRESSIVE fighting hormones. You need those to feel like you can take on the world. Here I sit all vulnerable...running away from the slightest shadow. No wonder.

I take melatonin at night to get to sleep. Too bad I'm wide awake by 3AM. That is likely the cortisol freaking out so early. I found some great melatonin at GNC that is sublingual and it tasts like cherry candies. I've heard that other brands can cause tummy irritation.

Pregnenolone is generated from chloresterol. Its sold on over the internet and you can find it at your local health food store or vitamin store. It can help balance the rest of the hormones.

No matter what I read....the adrenals are the place to start. Then everything else can be built on top of them.

This all just so interesting. Isn't it?

I have just picked up three books on the subect and they all basically say the same thing....and talk about how important these other factors are in a woman regaining her capacities.

I hope this helps.

~S

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Old 03-19-2005, 06:32 PM   #15
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Re: thyroid v. adrenals. v. menopause

Great information, softcrush. I'm totally agreeing with you on the adrenals first advice. That's what I'm seeing out there in my reading, and that's what people here have advised. I think it makes a lot of sense.

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