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Old 03-10-2006, 10:18 PM   #16
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Re: Need some advice!!!

Jenna, I copied & pasted the "Sample Home Detox" From The Board Thread For You.

SAMPLE HOME DETOX RESCUE OPTIONS

Substance Abuse in any form substantially depletes your body of nutrients. In order to be effective during WDs most people state they needed to increase doseage levels beyond the recommend dose level; some substantially. Levels are for intensity of Detox WDs; post-detox WDs would be less. Use your own judgment about your needs and what you feel is best for you and what you are comfortable with and customize your own detox list to your preferences/needs. These things may help lessen WDs; others have reported good success.

What Symptoms To Expect
Vicodin has a half-life of 4-8 hours; therefore, WDs will begin for most between 8-16 hours after last dose taken. Most people express that detox feels like the worst flu they have ever had in their life. You will likely experience severe achy joints, weakness, restless legs syndrome, headaches, lack of clarity in thought, irritability-does not play well with others, severe “coffee jitters” to the extent that it is difficult to sit still and some experience involuntary muscle twitches, general feeling of “the all overs”, nausea but most do not report vomiting, and most report diarrhea. WDs will increasingly worsen up to about days 3-4 and then begin to turn the corner and stabilize.

It is best to plan your detox needs and shop in advance of starting. When you externally provide the body with chemicals that alter the brain, the body reads the signal and reacts by stopping its own natural production levels. So, when you cold turkey stop the external source, it jolts your body and whiplashes your system into wakeup mode. All those little workers have been snoozing for however long you have been administering the external supply source. Now the alarm bells are ringing all throughout your system, and they are running around like keystone cops screaming “oh s**t!!!!” They will get back on the job for you again, but it takes a while for them to get synchronized and functioning efficiently again.

1-2 weeks Ahead of Planned Detox
If possible, plan your detox 1-2 weeks ahead and commence with the Multi-Vitamin, Multi-Mineral, B-Complex 100mg, Zinc (pain-take only after eating food), & St. John's Wort (depression; but do NOT take if you are taking SSRIs) to build a solid base level BEFORE you start the detox. Many who have not built a solid base in advance have reported a more difficult time during detox. It took them a minimum of 1 week to achieve maximum relief level when days 1-4 are likely to be your worst WD days during detox. You may not feel depression now, but detox WDs usually results in the onset of depression until your body acclimates and can regulate itself. Building a nutriment base BEFORE detox will help lessen WDs and lessen the level of additional supplements you will need to help you cope. Waiting til you are actually in WDs to start taking supplements will mean that the supplements will be less effective and you will likely need substantially increased levels.

About Work
You should plan to take time off work to detox, usually a week. Options on work are plan to take off or call in sick with the flu, or the hybrid plan is time detox where you take last pill late the night before, go to work jittery and leave work early “with flu”---since you went home sick w/flu no one will be terribly surprised when you aren’t able to make it in most, if not all, of the following week.

During days 1-2 (and possibly day 3)
Most detoxers say it is best if you can try to sleep as much as you can during the first couple of days at least. Nyquil, Benadryl (not w/Benzodiazepine Detox!), Valerian Root, 5HTP (do not exceed 300mg daily) are types of things that may help you to sleep. Select other things from the OTC Options list as needed use other things from the list.

Days 3-5
You will likely start to stabilize. When you feel that you are starting to level off begin the L-Tyrosine/B6/D-Phenylalanine/Sublingual B-Complex w/B-12 to help w/pain and energy.

THINGS THAT MAY HELP

-HOT baths several times a day to help with aches; add Epsom Salts or vingear

-Heating Pad & warm blankets to keep muscles warm and relaxed.

-Hot Rice Socks for muscle warmers. Fill cotton socks w/rice, stretch and leave room on ends to loop and self tie sock end. Heat rice socks in microwave for approximately 2 min. Heat check & apply to achey areas.

-Keep nourished; drink lots of water: Add 1 tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar for body PH rebalancing & pain; and if you can, add 1 tablespoon Honey for energy

-Relaxation Exercise to help lessen muscle cramping ,pain, & restless legs syndrome, EASY exercise regimine to activate your own natural endorphins & dopamine to help w/pain, While in bed work your muscles-tighten the muscles in your entire body all at once as hard as you can---hold it for several seconds(hold breath)---slowly release muscles and breath. Do entire body 5 times and then repeat doing one area at time--both legs then both arms-then low back/abdomen area; repeat cycle/one leg-one arm, etc.

SHOPPING LIST OPTIONS TO HAVE ON HAND DURING DETOX
Print out list to shop and to use as a tool to track what you take & its effectiveness.

Soup & Frozen Meals- enough for a few days

Liquid Nutritionally Balanced Meals; e.g., Slim Fast or Ensure

Gatorade (replaces electrolytes)

Benadryl (50mg w/hydro; taper ease aide)

Robitussin DXM-helps WDs; taper ease aide

Tagamet-taper ease aide; slows absorption of Hydro

Tylenol PM(but not w/Benzodiazepine Detox!)- during WDs you can take this during the day w/o it making you sleepy

Imodium (4-6 hours after onset; first few hours let body purge toxin concentrates) [detoxers have posted that 4-6 tablets x3 daily substantially helped them not only control diahhreah, but also lessened WDs]

Salonpas Patches For Muscle Pain

Aspercreme For Joint Pain (does NOT have Aspirin in it)

Airborne-3 boxes= (4 day supply @double doses3xdaily)

Nyquil-2 bottles since you will need it both day & night for first 3-4 days (will help joint pain & sleep)

Orange Juice w/Calcium-2 (will help joint pain & helps stabilize central nervous system)

Oranges-Natural VitC and other nutrients

Apples-Natural VitC and other nutrients

Bananas-2 bunches (potassium source; eat 2-3 daily; will help joint pain &helps stabilize central nervous system)

Sweet Potatoes-great nutrient source for VitA and other things; canned or fresh to cook-can be microwaved)

Blue Berries-fresh or dried -Great antioxidant

Spinach-Leafy Salad Mix, Frozen, or Canned (Vit. A-eat as much as you can)

Mini Carrots (good VitA and fiber source)

Green Tea-great antioxidant to help cleanse your system of toxins.

Peppermint Tea & Peppermint Candy-Nausea

Chammomile Tea-Sleep

Hershey’s Dark Chocolate Bars-has antioxidant & central nervous system coping properties

Zinc 50 or 60 mg (3xdaily ONLY W/FOOD; will substantially help joint pain)

B-Complex 100 mg. (helps stabilize central nervous system)


*L-Tyrosine [avoid if already taking any SSRI RX ](Health Food Store-will help joint pain & nerves) One hour before eating start w/2000 mgs; scale up/down based on how you feel up to 4,000 mgs. Take w/B-6 to help w/absorption. It will give you a surge of physical & mental energy that helps counteract malaise feeling. If you experience "coffee jitters" reduce to comfortable level.

*5HTP 100mg 3xdaily-no more than 300 mg daily as it could create risk elevated seratonin levels[avoid if already taking any SSRI RX m]-Walmart for best price; otherwise pricey; helps joint pain & nerves)

D-Phenylalanine (Health Food Store-helps joint pain) Compliments effectiveness of L-Tryosine and 5HTP

B-6 (needed for aborption & effectiveness of L-Tyrosine/D-Phenylalaline)

B-Complex w-B12 Sublingual Liquid Drops (Walmart-Spring Valley Line-key ingredient here is the B-12 which helps central nervous system & energy level. B-12 can only be absorbed by the body through natural dietary sources, injections, or liquid sublingual-under tongue

Calcium (helps joint pain & nerves)

*St. John's Wort [avoid if already taking any SSRI RX meds]-will help w/onset of depression which will also affect level of joint pain)

Multi-Vitamin Formula (Costco/Sams/Walmart) -helps joint pain, nerves, and depression)

Multi-Mineral Formula (Costco/Sams/Walmart) -helps joint pain, nerves, and depression)

Valerian Root (Walmart-helps nerves; increase dose leves @night to help w/sleep)

Hyland's Leg Cramps-Walmart-Homepathic Supplement has Quinine in it which helps w/leg syndrome; sublingual under tongue. RX levels of Quinine available from doctor.

Fish Oil-OMEGA 3-Helps w/legs syndrome &pain

[*These products impact serotonin levels and therefore if you are on any SSRI medications do NOT take these additional supplements as it could alter your RX medication]

Note: Its a good idea to have Activated Charcoal & Benadryl on hand. If at any time you feel you may have exceeded a level on anything the Charcoal functions like a system sponge for absorbing toxins and carrying out toxins; it will turn stool a charcoal color. The Benadryl is an antihistamine and is sometimes given for adverse reactions to other medications. These things are almost always never needed but provided safety and security to just know they are on hand.
However, NO antihistimines if you are detoxing from Benzodiazepines Some online medical reports suggest that antihistimines (Benadryl, TylenolPM, sleep aids) may increase risk of Benzo withdrawal seizure.
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Old 03-11-2006, 10:25 AM   #17
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Re: Need some advice!!!

Jenna, READ THIS VERY IMPORTANT

Go to [url]www.suboxone.com[/url] punch in your zip and call every doc there until you get an appointment. You need to be detoxed and suboxone is the best detox out there and you can do it at home. It's safe but it's going to take some cash to do it. I was just like you tried cold turkey detox...couldn’t take it then did a darvon detox. felt like **** for a month. With suboxone, As soon as I took my dose I felt normal..it takes away all the symptoms. It was a ******* miracle. I took my last dose on Friday waited t18 hours as it states to do (mild to moderate detox sweating diarrhea) as soon as I took the sublingual tab all my pain was gone, then you take another and you feel better then you take another and you feel normal. I was I little tired the first day but by the second day I was shopping with my wife. I still take it and you can't use while on it or you will get sick so that’s a deterrent.
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Old 03-11-2006, 12:33 PM   #18
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Re: Need some advice!!!

Thanks everybody for the words of wisdom!~ I slept pretty good last night which sort of suprised me..I guess I am expecting the worst so maybe that is a good thing.I feel alittle shaky this morning but hopefully ready for day 2....I have alot of these supplements on hand as well as some muscle relaxers in case the pain gets too intense!! Should I use them or not?? DA-pal how long did u try cold turkey before u got on the suboxone?? I did call about that once but they required me to be there at a facility.I can't do that..my husband and 3 daughters no nothing of my addiction and now that i have started wd I don't want to face that issue with them when I feel sick..So hopefully they will buy the flu story and when I'm stronger the truth. For now you guys are all that I have to talk to or ask questions etc. And I am Very thankful....Jennah
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Old 03-11-2006, 12:42 PM   #19
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Re: Need some advice!!!

The Suboxone is for if you fail this attempt. I think this advice is not helpful for where you are Jennah. If you've really made your mind to go C/T than using a tapper drug is not what you should be looking into. I've heard that the real rougth W/D's hit between days 2-4; the flu thing should work just fine I'm sure and you probably the family around you too much anyhow, so the contagious idea might work ;-)

Remember though stopping is one thing, staying stopped is another. Once your crutch is gone (the drugs etc) you will have to face live on live's terms. This really isn't easy and you will need help, especially if you are wanting to enjoy the rest of your life. That's why I again remind you of NA; they can show you a way to live your life without drugs. If you where to call their number right now, there would be someone who's been right where you've been and they could chat with you and offer some real spoken advice. Given it a try, it will help!
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Old 03-11-2006, 12:59 PM   #20
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Re: Need some advice!!!

You all are so great!! It really helps alot to know that people who don't even know me are willing to help me...what a blessing u are to me!! As I said alittle earlier this is day 2 and I am not really doing too bad. Alittle nausea,shaky and sore like I did a marathon workout or something close!!I did start to think maybe I'm too old for this!! I'm 44yrs. old.Amazes me that I know so much about life but somehow I tricked myself into believeing BIG DEAL..I like this feeling and I will stop when I feel like it!!! Right now it's been 2.5yrs. and who would've guessed it!! What a fool I guess we all must have felt that at one time or another?? It's rainy here where I live so I kinda like that...it's more in tune with how I feel! I don't think I'd appreciate the sun today!!What will let me know I've turned a corner?? What feels better 1st I guess is what I am asking?? Thanks Guys,Jennah
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