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Old 10-05-2006, 01:48 AM   #16
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Re: Drug test positive

I will be sure to pass your rendition of uses for methadone onto our rehab center here, Im sure they will be interested in their using it incorrectly according to your sources. And Ill also pass along your studies to back them up. guess there is never off label use, or studies that suggest your sources would be one opinion. But Im not going to enter into a squabbeling match with you.

Information that I am giving is based on information provided to medical practices and professional drug screening collection facilities and Medical review officers in particuliar, again I will pass on the info that they are wrong.
Most of the drug life that I quoted are to ensure the levels that have to be present to be reported as a positive or negative result.
There are very specific reference levels that have to be acheived before a drug can be considered positive for use. Drugs that are not fat stored do not stay in the body as long as the ones that are.

Based on information provided to me, yes there are ways to "dilute" a speciman, but would have to have time to prepare. I have been told that golden seal, vinigar, creatine, drinking mass fluids and diretics can help rid certain drugs. I have also heard of substances being put into the urine or on hands prior to testing and mixed with the urine to cause a "false" test result.

Facilities usually make the donor wash hands with soap and water prior to donating, and turn off water and turn the toliet water blue to eliminate diluting with water. Also, direct observation can eliminate something being put in the speciman to cloud the results. Oral substances take time to metabalize so surprise is on your side. Watch for color of urine, oders, any films floating on the urine ect.

Probably the most accurate test available but cost prohibative is hair strand, it will tell you the usage for the life of the hair, have seen kids shave heads to avoid this test.

I know how hard it can be to deal with kids using drugs. The designer drugs scare the gezzies out of me, one use could be the last. Meds seem to be much more readily available for them to get their hands on. My daughter lost a friend to an overdose of antidepressants, a friend of hers told the girl that crushing the pills and snorting them would give her a big rush. Guess it did striaght to the er, and the funeral home. No longer a friend of my daughter. I really have no clue where they come up with this stuff. My neice was abusing an albuterol inhaler to get the stimulant effect from it. Had no clue what would happen with long term use if not an asthmatic.

I really wish you the best, let me know what you find out. thoughts and prayers your way.

angeleyes
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Old 10-05-2006, 10:10 AM   #17
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Re: Drug test positive

anywho cram how is it going anything new? I beleive in the idea of an intervention I have seen the tv show and everyone writes a letter of how the addicts drugs use has affected their lives negativly then gives them the option to get help and if they dont they take away something that the addict holds hear to them. Like I will no longer accept your phone calls nor will I give you money or rides anywhere...... Then when everyone it done with their letters you leave it up to the addict if they agree to stop or get help great but if they dont you really have to stick to your guns on this and prove everyone involved is serious on what they say. I hope that helps and your welcome I can just see things for both angles. In fact I called in "sick" today to have a me day I am going to lunch with my sister and shopping and enjoying myself. Who doesnt need a ME day!!! Best wishes. Kim
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Old 10-05-2006, 03:16 PM   #18
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also maybe you could just write him a letter and tell him how his drug use has affected your life and you and tell him to get help. Addicts dont think they interupt anyones life as they are only thinking of themselves. The only way their addiction bothers you is because you let it they dont think how they are hurting people lying, manipulating, using people or anything they do to inconvience all around them as we are selfish. So maybe if you write down all the things that have affected you negativley with his actions and his addictions. On the tv show all they letters start off on how they were before addicted and what high hopes they all had and what loving people they used to be. Then it goes into how they have turned and what it has done to you. As he might not see it through your eyes and it gives them a new prospective on things. You cant get angry and you have to let them make their own decisions as we all know that yelling gets us no where and barely heard at that. alright sorry to keep rambling about this hope this helps you. Kim
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Old 10-05-2006, 03:23 PM   #19
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AngelEyes -

I didn't mean to offend you, which it sounds like I did. I was only saying that I have never read anywhere that Methadone is or ever was being used to help aid withdrawl from 'Cocain and other hardcore narcotics'. If it is being used to aid withdrawl from Cocain , I'd like to read about it or discuss it with some one who has used it for such. Methadone has traditionaly been used as part of a program for Opiad Detox, to help people kick Opiad and Heroin addictions and I know many folks who now get it prescribed to help control pretty bad pain. I have never heard of it being used as part of a program to aid in kicking an addiction to Cocain.

I have been in this game for a long time and I feel like I have read everything ever written about Opiads, Methadone, OTC Opiad meds, etc.

If I offended, I apologize. Just trying to share information and the information I shared was the most comprehensive that I have found concerning Methadone, from both sides. There is a group called NAMA (National Alliance for Methadone Advocates) and there are Physicians and Addictionologists and Pain Specialists who all have different opinions and I have read viewpoints of them all. But the info I shared was to give a basic understanding of the drug for the person who posted, not to lean one way of the other.

Good day --

Phil

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Old 10-05-2006, 04:58 PM   #20
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Re: Drug test positive

We could all sit here all day and debate this cause every where you go there will be different information. Lets not loose focus on this topic though. Cram I used to go to AA meetings with my dad and no one seemed to have a problem with it. It was insightful for me to understand but some meetings might be closed but you dont have to speak and they dont know. If thats the only way he will go then I would go he needs to meet clean people and learn there is a way without drugs. TWYL would know better about this though. Well thinking of you. Kim
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