Opaite Withdrawl will NOT go away!

[DG55]

well, i few monthes back i quit using heroin and pills (Oxytontin) was on it for about 9 monthes or so, then a friend gave me some bupe for my withdrawls, i only took 4mg of this, (the only withdraw symptoms i had was coldness of my body and chils.) This helped reduce the chills and coldness and weakness down to nothing for about 3 days. then they came again, i dosed again... and felt fine AGAIN.... this cycle has been going on for about 3 or 4 monthes now, the longest time i had sober was about 2 weeks and during that peroid my chills didnt go away what so ever. i dont know if im permenetly like this now cause i messed somthing in my brain up? or if bupe is just in your systom for monthes, and i will continue to feel crappy for monthes???? is somthing else wrong?? every other time i quit opiates i felt fine within 5 days, now i just dobnt feel fine at all unless i have them... can someone help me??

[Podee]

First of all, how long have you been clean and sober from EVERYthing? If you are still using something then all bets are off and you will prolong the bad feeling indefinitely.

Secondly, as I have posted elsewhere,
even after the W/D itself is up (5 - 10 days maximum), there is a rebound effect for up to thirty days.

These are the basics:
The withdrawal/detox itself will be over in 5 - 10 days from the last date
you take an opiate * suboxone is an opiate. Those symptoms you described to us * restlessness, hot and cold flashes, sweating, diarrhea, muscle cramps, flu like symptoms, etc. - are all typical and there is no shortcut to
getting through them. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

However, after the withdrawal itself, a person still undergoes a sort of
"rebound effect" due to deprivation of narcotics which makes one quite weak and restless and susceptible to chills, night sweats and insomnia for some time (up to 30 days) even after detox. The rebound effects can be marked enough to seem like continued withdrawal and can lead to relapse, so you have to be extra vigilant during this time.

The worst rebound effect following narcotic withdrawal is INSOMNIA. Not
being able to sleep a full night for a month is no picnic, and many people
crave some sort of relief during this period, including going back to the
opiates.

SOME TIPS TO DEAL WITH post detox WITHDRAWAL AND REBOUND EFFECT:
-Avoid any drugs whatsoever. Sleeping pills, benzodiazepines like Ativan and
Valium, muscle relaxants like carisoprodol (Soma), etc.; these do not really
help as much as you might think and simply prolong the recovery period. The sooner you allow your body and brain (neurotransmitters) to adjust to
functioning without any drugs the sooner you will feel better.
-Try herbal remedies for the rebound effects such as weakness and
restlessness, chills, night sweats and insomnia. Do not discount the
proverbial warm glass of milk at bedtime.
-Proper diet -- essential. LOTS OF FLUIDS -- flush your system out and
hydrate your dehydrated body recovering from detox. Vitamins and other
supplements may help your body recover sooner as well.
-Exercise as soon as possible, even if this means just taking walks or
getting out of bed to walk around. The sooner you get back into some form of real exercise, the sooner your body will recover.
-Try sauna and steam rooms if available and repeated hot showers to "sweat it out" and ease the chills. Hot showers will also help you sleep.
-Try not to focus on the rebound effects and instead focus on recovery and
the fact that as long as you stay drug free you will be FEELING BETTER EACH DAY. Attend as many recovery oriented group or therapy meetings as possible.

The key of course to staying clean and sober after any withdrawal is a
program of recovery, such as 12 step oriented like Narcotics Anonymous.

[reachout]

Hello dg

Glad to see you posting and trying to find some final resolve with this issue.

I hope you can take Podee's words to heart and understand how very correct they are.

Boy, I know what a struggle this all is, but balance the rest of your life against a hard month's struggle and I think we can agree that the rest of your life far outweighs the month's struggle. Sitting on the other side of that struggle now, I can tell you that my life is so wonderful again. I am happy, balanced and productive.

The same is waiting for you to claim! Read "The Sample Home Detox" (very first thread on this board) and implement everything that is workable for you... especially the vitamins and taking in liquids. That is a great starting point.

I also might suggest that you print out Podee's post to you and post it where you can see it constantly and use it as a reference.

Hope things go well for you.

With lots of hope
reach

[Droplette1]

I have been on suboxone for 3 months. i had been addicted to morphine for a year and a half, then graduated to heroin for 2 and a half years (snorting it). My roommate was snorting heroin about the same amount of time as i was, he tried to go off suboxone last week (he was on it a month longer than I) and got all those same symptoms described in this post. Now i am scared to ever go off it -- i simply dont have the stamina for it, and dont see how i can sit in an uncomfortable room typing all day with extreme cravings and diarrhea and with no sleep, which i guess is what would happen to me. I CANNOT AFFORD TO EVER MISS MORE THAN ONE DAY OF Work every few months. but what i don't understand is why you are saying it's AN OPIATE. THE WHOLE POINT OF SUBOXONE IS THAT IT IS NOT AN OPIATE!!! it is supposed to substitute for opiate addiction. IT IS NOT METHADONE. It attaches to one's opiate receptors.

[rozetat2]

suboxone is an opiate. a weird one. it attaches to one receptor to eliminate cravings then throws stuff off the other receptors helping w/ds. its a weird animal. the first time i took suboxone i got high as a kite. after a few days i no longer got high, but it kept me going and i got addicted to it. Its hard as heck to get off of for some people--me being one of them. be careful with it and follow a taper plan to get off it. good luck