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Old 05-24-2007, 08:06 PM   #11
bethsheba
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Re: Do CCBs cause heart attacks?

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I lurk frequently. You still have me pondering the association between Sleep Apnea, Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, Weight, Insulin Resistance and the over-activation of the NeuroHormonal System.
So glad you lurk, although, after posting I realized that "lurk" wasn't the best choice of words...perhaps "watching over" or something like that. Now you know why I am NOT a writer, . As far as the ties between sleep apnea and diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. I will need to catch up on my reading because new stuff is coming out all the time---and because my normal source of info is my sleep doctor, and I won't be seeing him until this fall, , which is good news. Perhaps I could post a few words about what happens to our pressures and our cardiovascular system when we have apnea. Oh well, sometimes I think people get tired of hearing the same old story...it's just that I don't want people to live with this condition for 40 some years like I did without getting treatment.

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I don't take the slow release version. I take 80mg, twice a day. It's supposed to be three times a day but I can't take it at night.
Does one version have fewer side effects than the other? What would you recommend for someone starting out?

Really appreciate the info on the diet again...I held my breath when I saw it because I didn't want you to get into trouble...but they allowed the info before. Not to worry, I copied the data onto real paper, . Oh, and it was angellite who had referred to your info, not fam.

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I congratulate you for speaking up when someone states as "fact" something based primarily on personal experiences or personal perceptions. As you have pointed out, reactions can vary by individual.
Thanks Beerzoids, as I appreciate the feedback. Sometimes I get a little blunt and I need to soften up a bit so I would hope you would tell me when I've overstepped my bounds. I'm a bit of a slower learner in that respect, .

Thanks again for getting back with me. It really is comforting to know you're there if we need you.

With regards,

Bsheba
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Old 05-25-2007, 02:51 AM   #12
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Re: Do CCBs cause heart attacks?

I have to agree with Lenin that diuretics are the first line of defense against hypertension. Norvasc may be the number one seller, and it is, but doctors always seem to start with the Diuretics.
I believe the reason is to exaust all unnecessary fluids in case that are causing the heart to raise pressure trying to expell these fluids.
I know of atleast 6 or 8 people in my family were all started with diuretics including myself.
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Old 05-25-2007, 08:05 AM   #13
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Re: Do CCBs cause heart attacks?

Hi all,

I tried all the drug classes and all of them caused very bad side effects except CCBs. I started with Norvasc 5 mg but it didn't lower my blood pressure, also it was causing me to feel that something is different but no side effects. For the last 18 months, I guess , I'm on Diltiazem 120mg SR twice daily and so far so GREAT . Without it I would be in a big problem.
Thanks,
Michael
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Old 05-25-2007, 09:05 AM   #14
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Re: Do CCBs cause heart attacks?

If someone is going to talk about the rarer side effects of ONE drug to promote ANOTHER then it is only fair to list the side efffects of the other as well:
For Norvasc:

an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of the throat; swelling of the lips, tongue, or face; or hives);

unusually fast or slow heartbeat;

chest pain;

severe dizziness or fainting;

psychosis;

jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes); or

swelling of the legs or ankles.

And the less severe:

fatigue or tiredness;

headache;

insomnia;

vivid or abnormal dreams;

flushing;

abdominal pain;

nausea, diarrhea, or constipation; or

increased or difficult urination.

And from my own personal experience: EXTEREME nervousness.
AND that list is WITHOUT the mention of increased risk of heart attack as compared to other antihypertensive drug classes


We choose the drugs we choose because they work well with the fewest side effects and at a reasonable cost. For me Lasix passes these tests and Norvasc falls flat on its face as do the ARB's, and ACEI's but, as I have stated many times, I am in the minority: a salt sensitive hypertensive.
Others must "pick their poison" and wind their way through one poor choice after another to find what is best.

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government's algorithm for the treatment of hypertension which advises doctors to prescribe their initial drug choices based on a patient's medical history and based on their stage of hypertension.
Yes, that's all well and good (and buried DEEP in recommendations that call for diuretics as THE first line of treatment) BUT in the REAL world, my doctor and I'm sure MANY doctors take a BP reading and prescribe NORVASC if the reading is high. In the waiting room, there are several boxes of tissues with NORVASC printed beautifully on all 6sides, all the pens and referral pads in the office say NORVASC, there is a magazine holder with NORVASC printed on the top, a clock that says NORVASC, NORVASC calendars (two??)and Norvasc brochure piles all over the place...even lovely Norvasc picture frame. I was surprised that each sheet of TOILET PAPER didn't say NORVASC on it. Yes there is almost ALWAYS a beautiful Norvasc representative wheeling her crate of samples in and BEGGING him to go to "lunch" with her...but he's gay, and I guess Pfizer hasn't yet taken to hiring beautiful MEN to peddle samples, but they WILL !
(I once mentioned the "Norvasc waiting room" to my doctor...oh, did I get a dirty look; seems I hit a nerve! )

THAT'S the REAL world of doctors following guidelines for your 5 minute "in depth analysis of BP needs."

I DESPISE the way CERTAIN drugs are rammed down our throats with the complete complicity of doctors operating out of GREED rather than medical ethics and Pfizer's PUSHING of Norvasc is at the top of my list...and Lipitor is right up there too in SPITE of the fact that I think atorvastatin is a GOOD drug.

If ONLY doctors would prescribe based on what we need rather than what patent med they are told to peddle this year...If ONLY!

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Old 05-25-2007, 10:03 PM   #15
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Re: Do CCBs cause heart attacks?

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... I tried all the drug classes and all of them caused very bad side effects except CCBs.
Michael, I've had a similar experience. The drugs that I've tried "worked", sometimes too much, , but the side effects were worse than the conditions they were meant to prevent.

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I'm on Diltiazem 120mg SR twice daily and so far so GREAT . Without it I would be in a big problem....l
I appreciate the heads up on the diltiazem 120 mg SR as I want to compile a list of possible drugs to try next. Am currently on a generic form of norvasc, with "minor" side effects, but I can't help but think there's got to be something better out there for me. Beerzoids has had good success and a long hx with verapamil so that's on my list, too.

Good to hear from you again as it's been awhile. Hope you and your father are doing well.

Bsheba
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