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Old 03-21-2008, 04:31 PM   #16
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Re: anyone know of any new pain meds coming to the market soon?

If it's ok, I'm going to comment on several different related posts in this thread:

(1) Re: the nasal spray(s)...I've read where there are a couple in clinical trials...One is actually fentanyl if you can believe it. I think the main issue with nasal sprays is that there is much more abuse potential (in general). The highest abuse methods are either snorting or IV....Due to the intense high they both produce. Thus, any delivery system incorporating a spray is going to be tough.

(2) LA Hydrocodone- Definitely a need, IMO. But, I think one of the hang ups is the overall potency of the drug, or lack thereof. Have you ever noticed how big a 5mg or Vicoden or Lortab is? A Lortab + or Lorcet + is HUGE. Granted, they are packed with Tylenol, but you need a lot of hydro due to it's lack of potency. All LA meds are usually 12 hours, so I'm thinking it would have to be a horse pill. Also, companies haven't put a lot of research into this area because those who need that kind of pain relief, have plenty of option available already. Hydrocodone was really developed as an alternative to Codeine. Codeine has many side effects and because Hydro is a synthetic drug, many of those side effects are eliminated (nausea, hangover, & etc.). As someone mentioned, Hydrocodone has become one of the most prescribed drugs in the world. It really is the first line of defense in the battle of pain mgt.

(3) I think the biggest thing coming down the pipeline is in the area of abuse prevention. As Aranger mentioned, there are lots of experiments with developing other agents into meds to reduce the effects of abuse. For example, a very small company called "New River Pharmaceuticals" recently sold itself to "Shire" for $2.6B. New River has developed an abuse reduced alternative to Adderall XR, called Vyvanse. Shire's Adderall's patent is set to expire in 2009 and this is one of the main reasons they purchased New River. New River is also working on an abuse free Oxycontin product.

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Old 03-21-2008, 05:24 PM   #17
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Re: anyone know of any new pain meds coming to the market soon?

Exec,

All really good points, as usual

But I don't think the hydro/aceta is big because of the hydrocodone. I mean, how big can 5mg or 10mg be? I really think it's the acetaminophen, fillers and binders that make for the size. And if the LA form were single entity there would be no need for the acetaminophen. My local mom & pop pharmacy has a foundry (right word?) and compounds both SA and LA hydrocodone, and the resulting tablets are similar in size to other opioid meds.

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Old 03-21-2008, 05:35 PM   #18
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Re: anyone know of any new pain meds coming to the market soon?

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New River is also working on an abuse free Oxycontin product.
yeah I would really like to see how they do this although it would be great

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Old 03-21-2008, 05:45 PM   #19
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Re: anyone know of any new pain meds coming to the market soon?

It's really fascinating.

When I visit my pharmacy I can look into the glassed-in clean room where they do the compounding. Looks like a bunch of mad scientists. Not really. But there they are with gowns, gloves and masks, beakers, bunsen burners, and all kinds of base agents and you name it. I like to watch sometimes. They'll make darn near anything. I remember when there were no generics to Actiq, they had their own brand of buccal fentanyl lozenges. I asked about them but the cost was through the roof and, of course, insurance would have nothing to do with that.

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Oops - this had nothing to do with your post Brian. I AM losing it. Help me, please........

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Old 03-21-2008, 06:10 PM   #20
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Re: anyone know of any new pain meds coming to the market soon?

Steve,

I totally agree that an LA hydro would need to be just that without APAP. In a compounding pharmacy, hydrocodone by itself is a schedule 2, however, that wouldn't be different than most LA meds. And you're right about the equation of hydro to morphine. On my equianalgesic chart it shows a 1:1 ratio. Like you mentioned, many people can tolerate hydro over morphine due to some of morphines side effects. Since morphine like codeine is a natural substance vs a semi-synthetic substance, more people get nausea and sedation from morphine.

I guess it is a wait and see thing.... Who knows what the drug companies are doing. With all the patent issues lately, they keep alot of that stuff unspoken until its just about ready to be released.

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