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Old 04-22-2008, 06:49 PM   #16
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Re: Treatment AFTER surgury

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Hi Jim,
I am so glad you are back from vacation! I have been following your post for months so when I got some psa bounce I really did want your input. I too have been looking at the pomegranate aspect. I am on crestor so I was wondering if the product had any adverse reactions as grapefruit juice does. I will check with my uro Dr. on my next visit concerning the other meds. I had read some articles on this as well. I had rather do meds than radiation if it will do the trick. Thanks again for responding to my post.
David
Hi David,

You're welcome. It's good to be back.

I started a reply regarding the issue of the potential risk of consuming pomegranate juice to counter prostate cancer, and then I realized our discussion was getting away from the heart of the current thread, so I'm going to reply in a new thread, "Pomegranate juice/extract safety".

Dr. Myers is sponsoring his own clinical trial of another supplement he thinks is highly useful in increasing PSA doubling times, vitamin D3. I hope to pass on information about what he says on Saturday next week.

I hope you pass on what your uro says about the issue and whether you think he was knowledgeable about it.

Jim
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Old 04-22-2008, 08:47 PM   #17
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Re: Treatment AFTER surgury

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. . . .And of course radiation is no free lunch and can cause . . . . fecal incontinence.
Oh dear!

This is the first I have heard of fecal incontinence caused by radiation, but I've just seen another thread (on Cancer: Colon & Rectal board) which covers it in greater depth. I was warned that 6 months after Brachytherapy Diahroea and Constipation might occur, but that this was easily managable by dietary changes or Imodium.

I am now 2 and a half months after Brachytherapy and am having considerable bowel problems, which, prior to your post, I had put down to unwise eating.

Do you have any suggestions of where I could find anything authoritative about radiation induced fecal incontinence?

ED and urinary incontinence are absent from my life, but if the Brachy HAS caused my present problems it is certainly a mixed blessing!

All the best,

T.

P.S. Glad to have you back Jim.
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Old 07-06-2008, 04:13 PM   #18
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Re: Treatment AFTER surgury

Hello gals and guys,
I thought I would update my case. I saw the Doc a week or so ago and my PSA had gone from 0.08 on 03/24/08 to 0.09 now. He said that it was still early to pull the trigger on radiation at this point being the increases were so small and it was still low overall . I told him I had been taking the pomergranate caps and he said it could be a positive thing and it sure would not hurt as he was familiar with the test at UCLA. He said he had another patient that had recurred and he had read up on the Millikin diet and he had dropped his PSA back to non-detectable levels for several years now! I know diet is very important and I am trying to abide. I have cut back a lot on my sugars and meat. Who knows what will come of all this and ony time will tell. I have a great Dr. and I have NO complications with the exception of possible recurrence and he could not have helped that. He told me that I had recurred it would be treated like a chronic disease and with any luck for many, many years. Well thanks for the long winded post.
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Old 07-06-2008, 07:11 PM   #19
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opped his PSA back to non-detectable levels for several years now! I know diet is very important and I am trying to abide. I have cut back a lot on my sugars and meat.... He told me that I had recurred it would be treated like a chronic disease and with any luck for many, many years....
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Hi David,

It looks like you are getting into the diet thing, and that should help, hopefully enough to spare you further treatment, but only time will tell. Your mention of Milken takes me back a few years. My urologist had take-home copies of a summary of Michael Milken's diet recommendations in his waiting back in early 2000 shortly after I had been diagnosed, and that was the first time I became aware of the likely serious link between diet and prostate cancer. He and his CapCure, now the Prostate Cancer Foundation, have done so much for fighting the disease, and he continues to play a very active role, giving the keynote address at a major conference of researchers just last fall!

Thanks for passing on the story of your doctor's patient's success with diet to counter his recurrence. That's encouraging!

The most recent book on diet and prostate cancer I know of - it's excellent - is the one by Dr. Charles Myers: "Beating Prostate Cancer - Hormonal Therapy & Diet." Dr. Myers has a gift for communicating in language and in a style and logic that is easy to understand, and that makes it a lot easier to apply the recommendations.

About meat per Dr. Myers: there's some fairly strong evidence that cutting out red meat (including pork) entirely is a good idea, due to its arachidonic acid, saturated fat, etc. However, cattle farmers would rightly claim that we haven't found the smoking gun yet. That noted, it's been a long time since I've enjoyed beef or pork, and I feel like we've seen the smoke and the gun but just haven't linked them up yet with enough research. On the other hand, poultry seems to be okay as the downside appears to be outweighed by benefit. I eat my share of chicken and turkey.

About sugar: a lot of sugar may not be good for general health due to calories, dental problems, etc., but it does not seem to stimulate prostate cancer. There are many alternative medicine fans who take it as an article of faith that it affects all cancers, but the evidence, at least for prostate cancer, is thin to non-existent. Dr. Myers calls the sugar - prostate cancer connection a myth. I just touched base by checking the Government website [url]www.pubmed.gov[/url] for "sucrose AND prostate cancer"; I was struck by how little research there was and how old it was, a sign that this is seen as an unproductive area by researchers. Along the same line, last fall the second (every ten years) edition of "Food, Nutrition, Physical Activity, and the Prevention of Cancer: a Global Perspective," was published by the World Cancer Research Fund and the American Institute for Cancer Research. Sugary drinks and foods containing sugars were two of the 61 foods tabulated against 18 different cancers, including prostate cancer. There was no notable evidence that sugary drinks affected any cancer, and there was only a "limited, suggestive increased risk" for "foods containing sugar" and colorectal cancer. That's a really weak record of activity compared to many other food items in the table. In contrast, there is fairly strong evidence that fruits, which of course contain fructose, have a favorable impact on a number of cancers and no negative impacts. As for beverages, there is also evidence that red wine is beneficial for prostate cancer (Concord grape juice too). It seems to me that patients who steer clear of fruit and wine because of sugar are not doing themselves a favor.

Speaking of low-key counters to a recurrence, have you talked to your doctor about taking either of the drugs finasteride or Avodart? There is evidence that they alone can help some recurring patients, and I'm thinking that effect would be magnified by other nutritional tactics. It has now been persuasively established that the negative side effects of finasteride are mild or unnoticeable for the vast majority of us, and both drugs help some of us regrow hair in male-pattern-baldness areas.

I like that line about turning a recurring case into a chronic disease. That's what I'm shooting for!

Take care and good luck,

Jim
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:52 AM   #20
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Re: Treatment AFTER surgury

Hi guys,
Just to update my case.My PSA's are as follows:
March:0.08, June:0.09 and now Sept:0.1. Looks like a steady climb, be it slow. My doc set up an appointment with a Radiation Oncologist and he wants to do IGRT for 7 weeks for a total of 68 Greys. He said with it being organ confined and a 3 year period before failure and a 0.01 gain per 3 months I had a real good chance of it being in the prostate bed. He has scheduled an MRI to go along with his CT scan to do the mapping for my treatment. I really don't want RT but I would like a second shot at a cure! He offered to do a Prosta Scint scan But my insurance doesn't cover much of it. Jim do you think I could be better served with another treatment? I will keep everyone updated with my trek!
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