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Old 12-08-2002, 10:52 PM   #1
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Post anyone ever been on fioricet?

due to a bad car accident& broken jaw, amongst other thingg, i had to go on Fioricet. When i'm out of it, my headaches are so much worse!! The pain in the top of my eyes are unbearable. I habe been on it almost 2 yrs noe7 IT'S FOR TENSION HEADACHE MIGRAINS/ pLEASE SOMEBODY HELP. iG IT REBOUND HEADACHES, LIKE WITHDRAWAL, OR IS IT NOT RELIEVING THE TEMPORALIS MUSCLE PAIN>? gOD bLESS
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Old 12-09-2002, 09:22 PM   #2
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Hi Bitsy,

Just in case you didn't know, Fioricet is made up of aceteminophen (tylenol), butalbital (a barbituate) and I believe it has some caffeine in it as well. It also comes with codeine is you see it as Fioricet C1/2.

Substitute the acet. for aspirin and you also have the combinations under Fiorinal.

There is also something out there without caffeine.

From my experiences over the last 25 years or so, more headache sufferers have had problems with this med. (the butalbital) than any of the others.

Butalbital is not an opiod, it is a barbituate. With opiods you can stop taking them 'cold turkey'. The dose and how long you have been taking the opioid will determine how awful you will feel, but it won't kill you.

Barbituates are different. It is dangerous to stop taking this drug 'cold turkey'. How many per month have you been taking? How long have you been taking them? Has the amount been increasing every month or two? Do you get them from your Dr.? Has he said anything to you about them? Do you take them at times when you don't have a headache?

There are alot of people that have taken this med. for decades and not run into any problems with it. It can be very effective for the pain of bad headaches. Many start taking it for the right reasons but find that it gives them energy, makes them more social and a whole list of other things so they keep taking it and take it when they don't have a headache.

If you are experiencing bad symptoms when you stop taking it, chances are your body has become 'dependant' on it. If you are only taking it when you are in bad pain and want to stop taking it, I would suggest that you go and see an 'addictionologist'. If your Dr. is experienced tapering people off of this med. then he/she would be great. Some Dr.'s don't even know that it must be tapered so you should be careful about that.

If you have been taking it for more energy (a buzz) or for reasons other than bad headache pain (you like the 'feeling' that you get with it), then you may/are 'addicted' to it - as well as 'dependant' on it.

Tapering this medication (taking smaller and smaller doses over longer and longer periods of time) can be real tough if you are addicted. Some Dr.'s will suggest a detox problem or detoxing in a hospital. Some will let you try to 'get off' of it at home and offer suggestions like letting your signifigant other hold your meds. and dole them out to you at an agreed upon schedule.

If you are depandant or addicted don't beat yourself up over it, it happens much more than you would think! You just need to deal with it and try some other meds. to treat your headache.

If none of the above applies to you it really does sound like you are getting 'rebound' headaches. This med. is also a big culprit when it comes to rebound headaches. Have you seen a neurologist? Have you been given a diagnosis? If not then that is what you need to do right away. You really need to rule out some things and know if you are getting migraines or ?? Most will do an MRI and/or CAT scan.

There is much information out there regarding rebound headaches. The way that most headache specialists check to see if they are rebound headaches means stopping ALL analgesics for a certain amount of time (depending on the Dr. usually 12 - 16 weeks). That means stopping the Fioricet as well as any other type of analgesic like simple aspirin or tylenol. Your Dr. will be able to give you other meds. to take but your headaches will get worse, before they get better.

Many bad headache sufferers disagree over the percentage of headaches that are rebounds. They think that the percentage of rebound headaches is much much lower than what many Dr.'s say. There seems to be no question that some do get rebound headaches but that the figure is much lower than what "they" think.

I'll let you answer this post rather than writing a short story!! Please understand that I'm not accusing you of anything or judging you, just trying to help.

Woody

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Old 02-06-2003, 12:58 PM   #3
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Call your doctor now, Bitsy! Fioricet/butalbital (generic name brand)is HIGHLY addictive.

My mother-in-law has been taking them for about 20 years now and is very addicted to them. In the last 4-5 years, she has been taking them to the point where she runs out before her next prescription, and she then has a seizure secondary to withdrawals.

Let me first point out that, although she has been taking them for 20 years, she only got them every once in a while (about 30 pills 3 times a year) because no doctor would give them to her, as they could tell she was addicted. However, about 4-5 years ago, she found a doctor "ignorant" enough to give her 90 every month with 5 refills!

The first part of her pattern begins when she gets her refill. She first gets a little mouthy, but helps clean the house (only takes a few pills the first day), by the next day, you can hardly understand a word she says, then the next day, she is stumbling all over (in front of my 3 small children), babbling incoherently and has to ask for help even for simple tasks, such as getting a basket off the top of a shelf. By the next day (when she is up to about 13 pills), she actually falls, cries that she has had a stroke (and will cry about this every day until the pills are gone); you cannot possibly have a stroke in your sleep every day for a week straight.

After that stage, she will be depressed and want to die. She even got herself Baker Acted once because she called her doctor and told the nurse she did not want to live anymore. Next thing you know, cops are at my door and fighting to put her in the car. She then screamed "why did you do this to me", and I had nothing to do with it.

When the pills are all gone, about two days after they are gone, she has a seizure. I have to constantly go to her room and check on her because I am waiting for one to occur. Her last one was on New Years, right around midnight. She fell as she was coming in the back door and hit my baby's swing, and then hit the side of her face on our kitchen table. This left a pretty big gash on her cheek.

Finally, when she comes home from the hospital (after the seizure), she tells me she just can't figure out why she is having these seizures and neither can the doctors. Several MRIs and visits to a neurologist later, there are still no findings or etiology as to why these occur. You would think they would review her medication list and figure it out, but they don't. This last time, my husband even told the doctors at the hospital, but apparently no one read the report. Therefore, she continues to get these pills.

She just got more pills about 4 days ago. My husband kept telling her to give him the pills, and she claims she is not taking nothing and states she is acting like she is because she had a stroke in her sleep. Well, he went in her room, found the pills, and also found that she has been taking about 10-13 per day! He told her that he would dispense the pills to her 5 a day for two days, 4 a day for a day, and then only 2 pills a day until she gets her next prescription. When she does get her next prescription, we will be picking it up and giving them to her as they are prescribed. We cannot take them away from her altogether because we know she will have a seizure.

Right now, she claims she is moving out, but she has no where to go (she says she is going to go live in the woods with her dog..haha She wouldn't last a minute out there).

I wrote the above message so that you (and others) could see the effects of this drug. As I said before, it is highly addictive and should only be taken if absolutely necessary! I do believe that if my husband had not taken her pills and put an end to this cycle of pill popping, she would be dead.

Good luck to you, Bitsy...I truly hope you heed my warning...this drug you are taking is very dangerous.
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Old 02-18-2003, 11:43 PM   #4
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Hi Bitsy,
I am on Fioricet and Ultram. I am going to detox tomorrow for the second time. it is so very easy to get hooked. You just hang in there and never forget that you can make it. When I went in I was given Clonidine ( for blood preassure), Neurontin ( so I would not have seizures) and librium ( for anxiety.) I was also give a mulit vitimin. I felt ok and did ok. You are 1 step a head of me as you are not on Ultram. I think Ultram is the hardest to get off. Just remeber there is hope even when you feel hopeless. I have been there. Good Luck Dear!
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Old 02-20-2003, 03:34 AM   #5
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That medication is known for rebound headaches.
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