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Old 08-06-2003, 05:57 PM   #11
Philster2003
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DISCOSTU

100-120 mgs per day. How do you take them, 3 every 6 hrs or 6 every 12 hrs or..... Stopping CT (cold turkey as they say) from 4 months at 100-120mgs per day will not be to much fun, but not as bad as 300-400mgs per day. So you have several choices, the two most prevalent are CT and tapering. We can start with CT, if you can work with your family Dr and explain where you are at and that you need help getting off them that would be the best scenario. That’s what I did. Typically they use Valium at max strength per day for the first 3-4 days then taper off, the Valium helps with anxiety, restlessness and overall discomfort as well as providing the ability to sleep. Also phenergan for nausea, clonidine patch or pills helps with chills, gooseflesh, and shakiness, Imodium for the runs, bentyl for stomach and leg cramps and Ambien for sleep and Robaxisal for overall aches and pains. Also used to help with increasing energy levels, L-tyrosene (2000-4000mg per day), vitamin B6, Vitamin C and strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium.

If you can’t utilize your Dr then use the following over the counter meds that will help with the W/D. bendryl, enough for 3-5 days. Imodium, L-tyrosene (2000-4000mg) from GNC or Sams club etc…, vitamin B6, Vitamin C and strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper and Magnesium. If you have access to Valium or Librium consider using it, if not you will still be fine. The L-tyrosene and vitamins will help with energy and absorbing the opiates. Multiple hot baths or showers will help with the aches and pains and skin crawling. Exercise like walking etc… helps immensely. When you get to day 4 start the vitamins and L-tyrosene.

If you choose the taper method I want to provide a disclaimer, this method is very difficult to complete. You have to be disciplined, strong will and not cheat which is very hard because you know that by just taking a few extra pills all the pain and W/D temporarily go away. When you cheat you don’t gain ground you loose it. Typically taper is by increasing the time between the doses of pills and by default this decreases the amount of hydro you take daily. I worked up a taper schedule for “Root” that you can find here [url="http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001765.html"]http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/001765.html[/url] This was based on Root taking 25 pills per day, based on you taking 12 per day at some interval you should be able to adjust this schedule to meet your needs, I can help you if necessary. Rico suggested you can maybe cut in half what your taking now and not feel to much pain. That may be true you will only know if you try, so you could try 6 pills per day at the same interval you were using. If it works then taper slowly from there. The key to not getting to many W/D is not reducing more then 5-10% every 2-3 days or so. Taper is difficult and you will feel a level of discomfort, energy drain, mental instability, etc… and it’s down right hard to stay at plan when your not 100% like you were when taking pills freely. Like I’ve said before I’ve done it both ways, I like to take things head on but I just could not home detox from almost 400mg per day, the W/D was more then I could handle and inpatient detox wasn’t mentally acceptable for me either. When I got my daily intake to 20mgs per day I went CT. I’ve CT from 40 mgs earlier before first relaspe and that wasn’t to bad at all.

Which ever way you choose to go you may find this to be one of the more difficult things you have ever done in your life, but it will be one of the most important quality of life improvements you can ever take. Get your choice decided, get your game plan in order, your meds at hand, count to 3 and grip it and rip it. In the scheme of things to get clean and back to normal life drug free is not that much time needed. And if you have read Tim or Okie or others, being drug free brings a wonderful life back to the forefront and you will be amazed at how great you will feel and how great life can be. I’m personally almost 8 month drug free now and it just keeps getting better and better. I’m really in love with life now and my family likes me a whole lot better now also lol. Win win for everyone.

Good luck my friend.

I'm so darned long-winded, sorry!

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Old 08-07-2003, 04:13 AM   #12
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Hi Disco, I am the guy Phil talked about with tapering. I just want to say that I know you can do it because I am and I know I will be off all the pills in about six weeks. Before I came here I was taking 35 to 40 hydros each day and I was so scared. I just started cutting out pills on my own and kept bouncing all over the place. I do have chronic pain because of disc disease and spinal stenosis but I would rather live in pain than keep doing dope. I was taking around 25 pills each day when I came here and then Phil made me a list for cutting down and I was doing that and it made me brave enough to tell my doctor the whole story. I think every one maybe has to do it a little different but I am cutting down by 3 pills every week. Then in a couple weeks I will see my doctor again and he said he will give me pills for pain but not hydros or narcotics. When I get to 4 pills a day he said he would change what I am doing but I don't know what that will be and I don't care because all I have to do is what this week is supposed to be. This week is very different for me because I don't watch the clock hardly at all and I feel so good that I am doing this and I know I will be free before long. I don't know anything like a lot of people here especially Phil, but I am finding out that I have to really believe in me and I have to think about where I will be in just a few weeks. This makes me happy and not so scared. I hope you will have a lot of success and I will send you positive energy so you can get free of the drugs.
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Old 08-08-2003, 01:46 AM   #13
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i get terrible terrible RLS with hydro withdrawal, its so bad sometimes i feel i could just stab a knife into my legs, i wish i were in your position thou, only 4 mths,
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Old 08-08-2003, 01:53 PM   #14
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DISCO,
My advice to you is to stop NOW! However you can do it, whatever it takes, but do it now before it gets worse. I was on them for 5 or 6 years and I went from vikes, to oxys, to heroin when I couldn't find the pills. For me tapering off the pills never worked even early on because I knew that if I took a few more than I wouldn't have to feel so bad. But, that's just my personal experience with it. For some people it may work. If you stop taking them right now cold turkey the worst of the withdrawals will probably be over with in 3 or 4 days with the 2nd and 3rd days usually being the worst. After that it's all about staying clean and for me that was always the harder part. Have you ever been addicted to anything before this? I have a very addictive personality anyway so that's what made it so hard for me, but if you haven't been addicted to anything before this and you don't have that kind of personality than you probably won't have that problem. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck and seriously get off those things now. I ended up going to methadone and I'm still there 3 and a half years later.
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Old 08-08-2003, 08:09 PM   #15
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yoga1st-
you are the first person I have ever heard that described getting restless-leg syndrome during withdrawal (at least I'm assuming that RLS meant restless leg syndrome for you...)

I've heard it described as aches and pains, skin crawling, etc., but I definitely get RLS during withdrawals. i actually can get it when I take other things, like too much benadryl or trazodone, and it took awhile and several discussions with doctors and healthcare professionals and research online before I figured out that it was RLS...all of descriptions of the symptoms fit me. For me, that was the worst part of withdrawal. Can't STAND that feeling.
Just thought it was neat that someone else described the same symptoms
here's to hoping I'll never have to feel that awful feeling again!
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