Atrophic Rhinitis~Plz help

[Prognosis]

Can someone plz tell me how to help this condition. My nose is ruining my life! My Otolaryngologist's solution to everything is corticosteroid nasal sprays...which dries up my nose even worse. Is there anything i can do myself to treat this or should i seek another ENT specialist? 90% of my sense of smell is gone and this dryness is driving me MAD! I tried irrigations, saline mists, nasal gels, humidifyers with no success. I read that vitamins A and D are used as a spray to promote mucous secretion and also bacitracin to treat this. Maybe i should try and get those. Any ideas?....Anyone?
Thx
Prognosis

[Machaon]

Originally Posted by Prognosis

Can someone plz tell me how to help this condition. My nose is ruining my life! My Otolaryngologist's solution to everything is corticosteroid nasal sprays...which dries up my nose even worse. Is there anything i can do myself to treat this or should i seek another ENT specialist? 90% of my sense of smell is gone and this dryness is driving me MAD! I tried irrigations, saline mists, nasal gels, humidifyers with no success. I read that vitamins A and D are used as a spray to promote mucous secretion and also bacitracin to treat this. Maybe i should try and get those. Any ideas?....Anyone?
Thx
Prognosis

I looked up Atrophic Rhinitis and the article said that the condition might be caused by bacteria such as Klebsiella ozaenae, Proteus, Escherichia coli and Bacillus pertusis. I think that most sinus problems are caused by nasty invaders of the sinuses.

These bacterium can cause a lot of damage to the sinuses. The longer that those bacterium are allowed to flourish in the soft tissues of your sinuses, the worse your condition may get. So, step one would be to get rid of the harmful bacteria.

You asked for "any ideas... anyone", so here it is:

Have your read my thread on how I fixed my sinus problems? I was able to cure my chronic sinus infections and other miseries that had given me nightmares for over forty years. I have also achieved wide open and comfortable sinuses. In the past two years of my using the "upside down" flooding type of irrigation, I have found it safe and effective. My sense of smell is also very slowly returning.

I have no idea what my technique would do to your sinuses. Your sinuses are probably very sensitive, and the peroxide and baking soda mixture would probably burn quite a bit. It certain has burned mine quite a few times. I believe that my sinuses are healed now, and the mixture barely bothers my sinuses anymore.

I am not a doctor, so if you were interested, it would be best to check with your doctor before using it.

Any thoughts about this?

CanDo.........

[Prognosis]

Thx for responding
I think your irrigation technique might be worth a shot. So far i've tried it with salt and i get no burning whatsoever but what's weird is when i use normal tap water withOUT salt and add baking soda...it burns quite a bit..but i can breath so much bettr after. Seems the lack of salt opens my sinuses or something but it hurts LOL
Nevertheless my nose still remains extremely dry and painfully crusts all the time.
Is it possible to have a bacteria there without having the normal "green and yellow" secretions? i basically have NO mucous at all. My ENT continually says to me..."if it isn't yellow or green then no infection is present"...gives me Flonase and sends me on my way...sigh... nasal steroids make dry noses WORSE!
Gonna go read your technique now
Prognosis =)

[n7ynk]

Originally Posted by Prognosis

Thx for responding
I think your irrigation technique might be worth a shot. So far i've tried it with salt and i get no burning whatsoever but what's weird is when i use normal tap water withOUT salt and add baking soda...it burns quite a bit..but i can breath so much bettr after. Seems the lack of salt opens my sinuses or something but it hurts LOL...
=)

They say never use irrigation without salt. 1 teaspoon to 2 cups of boiled & filtered tap water. The salt mimicks the salinity in the blood and your body accepts it. The salt is suppose to dehydrate the swollen nasal passages and open them up. Also, the salt disolves the mucous. Baking soda is suppose to help break the phelgm up too. I add 1/2 teaspoon to above. (allergist recommended.) Too much or too little salt and it is foreign to the body. Happy irrigating

[Machaon]

Originally Posted by Prognosis

Nevertheless my nose still remains extremely dry and painfully crusts all the time. Is it possible to have a bacteria there without having the normal "green and yellow" secretions? i basically have NO mucous at all.

From what I have read, the bacteria that causes Atrophic Rhinitis really messes up the sinus tissue. The damage to the sinuses, either caused by bacteria, or caused by surgery, makes the sinus cavities great places for infection to develop over and over again. I would think that if the sinuses have been damaged sufficiently, and if they are not working very well, then someone could see an excess of mucous or an absense of mucous. I am not a doctor or an ENT, so this is just personal opinion based on personal experience and research.

Everyone has loads of harmful bacteria in their sinuses all the time. It's only when there is a problem with the sinuses when the harmful bacteria can strike!

The crust within your sinuses can also cause major irritation to your sinuses. You would probably see an improvement in your condition if you could flush the crust out of your sinuses. The "upside down" flooding technique I developed would probably be very effective at doing that, and getting those sinuses working again.

Originally Posted by Prognosis

My ENT continually says to me..."if it isn't yellow or green then no infection is present"...gives me Flonase and sends me on my way...sigh... nasal steroids make dry noses WORSE! Gonna go read your technique now Prognosis =)

If your ENT can't solve your problems, or can't bring you relief, then, to me, it doesn't matter what he says. I'll bet that he does know how to bill your insurance company!

Two years ago, I first started flooding my sinuses "upside down", with peroxide. I then experimented and added a pinch of baking soda, and then a pinch of salt. My sinus discharge was nasty, all bloody and junky. There was so much junk in my sinuses I almost called a moving company to help!

My mucous was always yellow and thick. After my sinus infections were cured, my sinus discharge remained yellow and somewhat thick for many months, until my sinuses healed. Each week my sinuses seemed better and the mucous became less thick.

Right now, my sinus discharge is mostly clear, sometimes with a little yellow, but I only blow my nose about once a week.

I really believe that the yellow or green nature of the mucous, in most cases, is a signal that the sinuses are damaged, or irritated, whether infection is present or not. I went to ENTs for many years, and only found this out on my own. I could never get a correct answer from my ENTs.

In your case, you have an extreme reaction of having very little mucous. I'd be willing to bet that, if you can clean out your sinuses, and get some of your sinus sinuses working again, you might get more mucous than you want!

I am not a doctor. I an not an expert on your condition. If you decide to try my "upside down" flooding process, it would be best for you to check with your doctor first.

Best of luck to you. Hope you can find a solution to your miserable sinus problems.

CanDo......