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Old 04-07-2004, 08:00 AM   #11
Clark
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Re: Topical Spiro/Male Spiro Usage

I did one session of the Smoothbeam, which I know is not enough to make a determination as to efficacy, but it hurt like crazy, and I didn't see ANY improvement. I decided there were less painful ways to waste cash trying to fix this problem. It would be great to only need it for the purpose of healing scars!

I would be happy with any incremental benefit from a low dosage spiro regimen. Remind me Joeh, what is your dosage?
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Old 04-07-2004, 01:39 PM   #12
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Re: Topical Spiro/Male Spiro Usage

im taking 100 mgs a day.also im seeing a doctor for treatment.remember this is surpressing your male hormone and thats whats is causing your skin to breakout.im not endorsing any guy to take spiro,but it does work.it has a really good chance of making you sterile for life,it will stunt your growth if your under 20.i guess once your sterile your skin will no longer breakout.if your to the point thats its making your life a living hell then i would say go ahead and take spiro.you have to take it everyday at least for awhile.check your nose and face will get less oily as time goes by but at the same time you will loss interest in sex and wont be able to have sex.then you know the drug is working.you probably will never go bald because you wont be producing a dhts that cause male baldness.you might be able to clear your skin with 100 mgs then go down to 50 or 25 mgs a day while it wont clear your skin with that low dosage your skin will still be less oily and you could control it with topicals.at least you might not get sterile that way.dont expect to take 500 mgs at once and wake up with clear skin it just doesnt work that way.after a month and 20 days at 100 mgs a day on spiro my skin was completely clear and no longer oily.
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Old 04-08-2004, 01:50 AM   #13
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Re: Topical Spiro/Male Spiro Usage

LOL, OK Gentlemen, let's clear up a few misconceptions.

First of all, yes Spironolactone or any anti-androgen or DHT Inhibitor is going to effect your sex drive (male or female). This of course will vary depending on how much you are taking. If it's 50mg, probably won't notice a difference. If it's 100mg or more, you probably will. I was taking 150 - 200mg for almost 6 years and when I stopped, I noticed I had more of a desire, but it wasn't too big of a change.

Now some may get results faster than others. However it typically takes 3 months to truly see results when using anything (topical or oral) and up to 1 year to get the full benefits. Also, some of you are mixing up a few key terms:

Anti-Androgen - An anti-androgen is anything that will decrease your overall androgen production or will decrease the amount of unbound androgens in your blood. Thus, Estrogen or a Hormonal Balancing Diet will act as anti-androgens. If you are doing this the dietary route, you won't experience a loss in sex drive. However, if you are relying on certain medications, like Estrogen, this can definately alter a man's sex drive because you aren't producing as much testosterone overall plus there will be more estrogens in your system than usual, and estrogen is not the sex-drive hormone. ;-)

DHT-Inhibitor - Now DHT is the super potent form of Testosterone. This is the Big guy and it's what's involved in androgenic alopecia (topical hair loss), hirsutism (excess body & facial hair), and of course acne. It has some positive things too, but if you are producing too much of this, especially in men, you are already on the road to Prostate Problems (men please don't fear this, handle it early on). This must be converted from Testosterone and requires a Type I or Type II enzyme to do this. The goal of a DHT inhibitor is to either BLOCK DHT's effects on your sebaceous glands or to STOP the conversion of DHT by inhibiting the neccessary enzyme(s). So a DHT inhibitor will be Spironolactone, Flutamide, Avodart, etc. These do not seriously castrate you, these are not permanent. As soon as you stop, your body will take all of that DHT or Testosterone that you've been continuously producing and allow it to do it's job!!! So males that are past puberty, early 20s seems like a good period, should be able to safely take DHT-Inhibitors without any worry of stunting your growth.

Here's another little FYI about DHT-Inhibitors. Wether they are prescriptions or herbal supplements, they have a built in mechanism for balancing out your hormones. It seems that even though they are preventing your body's ability to utilize or produce DHT, they are also preventing your body from producing too much estrogen. DHT Inhibitors, prevent your body from naturally aromatizing (converting) Testosterone into Estrogen. So while you are blocking the bad effects of DHT, you are still producing Testosterone and should still have a naturally higher ratio of male hormones vs. female hormones. This is actually a good thing especially if you are prone to cancer, since estrogen feeds the growth of some forms!

If interested in Herbal* DHT Inhibitors the top ones are:
Beta Sitosterol - Active ingredient in the below herbs. It's 3,000x more potent than Saw Palmetto (stronger than Avodart?)

Saw Palmetto (Permixon)- equally as effective as Proscar / Finesteride. Some find that it's a good alternative to Spironolactone as well.

Stinging Nettle

Pygeum Africanum

* These will also decrease cholesterol levels which is great because our bodies use cholesterol to make these sometimes highly pesky steriod hormones!


HTH =)


P.S. I absolutely don't condone taking things without a prescription. If you are going to do this PLEASE make sure you get a CBC, CMP and at least a Liver Panel done every 3 - 4 months. If you find yourself feeling tired, you are taking too much. Of course there's always the natural alternatives that usually have less side effects associated with them.

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Old 04-09-2004, 02:59 AM   #14
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Re: Topical Spiro/Male Spiro Usage

right on sweet jade.....i couldnt have said it better myself.i gotta go get my blood test next week.its been 18 months and my face is still 100 % clear and im eating a ot of fruits and vegtables.i called this dr rullans office in chula vista about exoderm and they said i had to go out for a consultation then get a physical from my doctor and send it to them then fly back out and get treated over 9 days and i have to have someone present at all times whereever i go until i go home.they didnt make things easy...so this is kinda on hold for now.how are you doing by the way....sweet jade did you get a boyfriend yet?are you running for president yet.i would vote for you before i voted for bush or kerry.anyways you always right on the money when it comes to explaining about this.i wish everyone would read your posts and maybe they would have clear skin.i kinda think if you go on the diet plan with the drugs then when you get used to sticking on the diet plan you can slowly taper off the drugs and your skin hopefully will stay clear.i slip now and then so i kinda wanna stick on the spiro for now.even though i dont have much of a desire for sex i still love girls.i have to work with a bunch of them and sometimes they get on my nerve but they are really pretty cool!see ya!
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Old 04-11-2004, 02:21 PM   #15
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Re: Topical Spiro/Male Spiro Usage

I'm on my 12th day using 100mg of spiro and I'm significantly clearing up everywhere except my chin & forehead. Im getting TONS (to many to count) of tiny whiteheads and tiny zits all over my forehead. I'm also getting the same types of pimples on my chin but to a lesser extent. I'll probably have to add a topical to help combat these breakouts.

Spiro has eliminated all those painful pimples on my neck and scalp. My back is also clearing up nicely. I really haven't had any new pimple anywhere in about 4 days except for the ones I mention on my forehead & chin.... My skin is no longer oily and feels soft and smooth. My hair feels almost like silk and isn't greasy anymore. I also no longer have dandruff.


As for side effects the only ones I notice so far is a decrease in sexual interest, thirst and a increase in passing urine. I plan to be on spiro for only 6 months, hopefully by then my face will be 100% clear, so I can have some type of laser scar treatment done. I'm not really worried about growing boobs as this is a long term (approx. 1 year) side effect and is also a reversible side effect. But if I notice any boob growth at all, I will quit spiro immediately and give accutane another shot.


Geoff

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