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Old 11-28-2002, 08:13 PM   #1
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I have dealt with Alzheimers for quite for time but have never really ran across this problem of someone actually hollering just about all the time esp. during the day. Was doing the same at night, but have added more sleeping meds. for the night on the Doctors suggestion. He has been diagnosed with Alzheimers for about 2 yrs. now. I am afraid this will eventually make him stroke out or major heart attack with as much hollering as he does. I have tried everything I know to do! Does anyone have a suggestion? I sure would appreciate any help I can obtain.

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Old 12-01-2002, 02:45 PM   #2
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Sarah,

With Alzheimer's there are a lot of symptoms that come and go through each stage. I would suggest close contact with his doctor. Make a list of his med's and chart what they are, how often given and for what symptom. Then talk to his doctor on a regular basis. Drugs do not just work right away for everyone. Every one is an individual and needs less or more or a better combination, than the next person.

My mother was on an anti=depressant, something for anxiety, (sounds like that's what he needs), something to help with phycosis (these drugs may also be something of great help for him), and something for sleep and lastly something for Alzheimer's. Once the drugs became adjusted for optimum results... (*FOR HER*,,,,she improved greatly).

A good working relationship with his physician is the best ally that you will ever have in helping care for this awfull disease and the havoc it can cause. It is far more humane to try to get him medical help and make him more comfortable than to just let him scream.

Hope this helps,

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Old 12-01-2002, 11:54 PM   #3
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Gizmo.....Thanks for you reply! That is what I have pretty much been doing. About 6 weeks ago, he came here from the hosp. and was fairly calm until about 2 weeks ago. Then the moaning and yelling started. I have tried just about everything I know to do right along with his Doctor. I think the Dr. has just about expired using all the different meds. that he is aware of also. I have asked the Dr. to try risperdal. I took care of another Alzheimers lady and that was the only meds. that helped her. But this Dr. is very reluctant to give it a try. Maybe it will not mix well with his other meds.
I suppose it is trial and error. I will just keep trying but, if something comes to mind, I am always ready to listen.

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Old 12-02-2002, 11:16 AM   #4
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Sarah,

That's very interesting. OK, it looks like you are going to have to do some detective work on this one.

If I were you I would look at his placement before the hospital. What type of placement was he in? What was his functioning levels, his behavior like? What medications was he on? What precipitated the hospital visit? What meds were changed, decreased, increased, added, or eliminated, while in the hospital? If it was for surgery, then has he had a COMPLETE CHECK-UP after surgery to eliminate any post-surgical pain he might be having? Was he on med's at your place for the first 4 weeks that he is not on now? Could this be the reason that his behavior has changed?

You see, Alzheimer's patients can not always verbalize pain. They may not even know themselves that pain is a factor in their behavior, or that their behavior is in any way out of the "normal" scheme of things. Pain can make an Alzheimer's Patient change suddenly, violently, and can cause moaning and anger, combativeness and crying or lethargic behavior, even thoughts of suicide.

My mom used to sit in the halls and scream, "Help me, oh it hurts, help me !!" When asked what was wrong she'd day, "Oh nothing, why do you keep asking me that? I'm fine".

Usually screaming and hollering and yelling is due to anxiety, or frustration and confusion due to the brain's imbalance with this disease. But, sometimes, and more likely than not, these symptoms do denote real physical pain, a pain that the patient does not know, or does not know how to relate to you, because of the disease of Alzheimer's. (This makes helping them very confusing, you don't know if it is real pain or if it is just something like turrets syndrome, like a nervous, sub-conscience, twitch). Also, with a brain disease, is this pain of the present, or is this remembered pain?

I do find it very unusual that this doctor would have this patient diagnosed for over 2 years with Alzheimer's and not have him on the appropriate drugs, not only for the disease (risperdal, aricept, etc...), but, for the many symptoms related to this disease also, (Like depression, anxiety, psychosis or paranoia, confusion, anger or aggression, or many other symptoms).
(It usually takes more than just one drug to treat an Alzheimer's patient, especially the farther along they are). If he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's 2 years ago and has not been on ANY drugs for this disease or any other related symptoms sense then, then I would suggest getting in a specialist that can put him on the appropriate treatment program right away, (like a neurologist/ or at least a gerontologist, someone good at dealing with dementia and Alzheimer's ).

You are going to have to find out if the hollering is physical, mental or emotional. You will have to ask yourself, when is this event happening? Always after meals, (trouble digesting food). Always just after you leave the room, (fear of being left alone, ie..anxiety). Is it better if you give him aspirin? Is it worse just before a certain medication, (then does that medication have to be increased?). You will have to be the detective, but you are only as good as your medical back up team member,,,(his doctor). If you have one that is uncooperative, than ditch him, but if you have one that IS willing to work with you, enlist him into your program to search and find the culprit and treat it. That way the doctor will have a better patient, you will have someone easier to care for, and the patient will feel better and live a better quality of life. It really is a win, win situation all the way around.

Hope this helps,

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Old 12-04-2002, 03:51 AM   #5
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Gizmo....I thank you kindly for your reply! He is on medication for Alzheimers and other phyical conditions, such as heart and water pills.
I have begged his Dr. for resperidol, but to no avail. I have always had good luck with that med. I'm trying to work with this Dr. but as you said, if he doesn't work with you, you have to look elsewhere.
He was in the hospital for a broken hip and then in the nursing home for therapy for about 4 mos. total. I was told they could not find the right combination of meds. to really settle him down. Right now, he sleeps good about one night per week. The rest of the week, sleeps on and off during the night.
He also has the sexual behavior pattern. Sometimes, he constantly plays with himself.
He hollers more when I leave the room, so I'm not so sure it is pain, although it still could be. I even made a tape talking and play it when I am not in the room thinking maybe, he would think I am still there.
For agitation....the Dr. just placed him on this med. today....haloperidol..one 3 times a day....2mg.
lorazepam....one pill 3 times a day
For sleep.....trazodone...100mg.....temezepa m....30 mg.Just recently taken off sinemet and seroquel.
He was asleep but now has waken up and it's the same thing. I may have to sleep in the chair in his room tonight.
Thanks so much;
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