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Old 05-17-2004, 12:24 PM   #1
knichol7
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Question Why aren't more of us guys trying Avodart?

I haven't heard a lot about Avodart. It seems like many of us guys would want to try Avodart before Spiro. My face is pretty clear right now because of my second course of Accutane. The first course kept it clear for about 3 years and since the second course it's been about 6 months. It def. did not work as well this time and I am still putting a topical on. But my face IS clear. But if it starts to get bad again, I will def considering trying Avodart. Why aren't more guys out there trying it?
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Old 05-17-2004, 07:20 PM   #2
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Re: Why aren't more of us guys trying Avodart?

Are you male or female?

Anyway, honestly because (I'm female) it's usually only prescribed for males at this point. They are afraid that females taking this will get pregnant and if we are carrying males, we will cause them birth defects (same as with accutane).

While I have no intentions of getting pregant, that can't happen if you're not having sex, there is a slight risk for those that are & taking BC. There are some females that have managed to get this prescribed, but for the rest of us (I haven't tried to), regarding hirsutism & alopecia, hopefully there will be something thats more effective & safer for us.

Oh yeah and yes. Avodart is 90% or 99% effective at reducing DHT levels. Much better than anything on the market.
[URL]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=A bstract&list_uids=15126539[/URL]

[URL]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=A bstract&list_uids=14565784 [/URL]
(males look at this specifically)

Did that help? ;-)

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Old 05-17-2004, 09:38 PM   #3
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The proof is in the pudding

Yep...those articles prove that Avodart will work. It gets kind of scary when they start talking about Impotence but it also says that incidence was generally low. Have you ever read the warnings on Accutane ...that sh** makes this stuff sound like a walk in the park. It seems like people should be knocking down the door to get this stuff. I've read articles that say that DHT isn't even needed...so what’s the problem? What kind of ticks me off is when you read that first article, "We hypothesized that inhibition of both isoenzymes with the dual inhibitor dutasteride would more effectively suppress serum DHT levels than selective inhibition of only the type 2 isoenzyme," they sound so nonchalant. Like they knew they could do this and just never have or something, whatever though.

Oh, I'm a guy sweetjade...could you not tell that by my post? Well anyway, now you know.
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Old 05-17-2004, 10:07 PM   #4
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Re: Why aren't more of us guys trying Avodart?

isn't avodart by prescription only? Do derms prescribe this for acne? I'm confused
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Old 05-17-2004, 11:19 PM   #5
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Re: Why aren't more of us guys trying Avodart?

Knichol,
LOL, well not really. I use the word guys when I'm talking about females as in "hey, you guys" so... ;-) Ok, truthfully I didn't catch all of your post. Anyway, the problem is that males usually do experience the side effects. You only need the DHT during puberty and I guess a few years after unless you are planning on body building. That's one of the conflicts you see on this board. Some men think giving up the dream of big and buff is worth it for clear skin and others don't.

Roxcyn,
Yes this is by prescription only, but of course people have found ways around this. If you want to pay Double the money, you can go the illegal route or find an endocrinologist that would prescribe this for you. The side effects are not well noted yet. I haven't even heard anything about liver problems, but did find an article that mentioned men with liver disease should consult their physcian.

Spiro is 30% effective and that's at an average dose of 50mg. Myself and others have been on doses as high as 100mg - 200mg. I believe everyone on this board has gotten clear off such doses of Spiro, but I wasn't one of them. On the other hand, Avodart is 98% effective at 5 mg and 94% effective at 0.5 mg. So of course the standard dose is 0.5 mg (that's expensive enough). I wouldn't take Avodart if Spiro would work for you. It's definately much more potent and the side effects (for males) are greater.

It can be used to treat Benign Prostate Hyperplasia, Androgenic Alopecia, and since it inhibits both forms of DHT, it should also work to inhibit Acne and Hirsutism. It can also be used in conjunction with Spiro and/or BC for even better results. BC (estrogen) or proper dietary changes will reduce your overall Free Testosterone levels, which means less testosterone that will be converted into DHT. Thus, there's less DHT conversion that needs to be prevented by Avodart, Spiro, etc. This is probably why I noticed the best results for reducing my mild hirstusm when I was taking Spiro and altered my diet. When I stopped the spiro, I had to readjust my diet again to maintain 99% clarity that I had while I was taking it with my diet (spiro NEVER got my skin that clear w/other medications-antiandrogens). So personally, it just makes sense to work at reducing your overall production and then using the lowest dose Supplement or Medication to treat the rest.

HTH =)

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