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Old 09-04-2004, 09:29 AM   #1
aNewman
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W/D time ~ Physical vs Mental????

My wife has been withdrawing for over a week now after coming off 10mg Methodone, a (?) dose of Propoxyphene, and Adderall (? 10 to 50 mg/day). Worst side effect seems to be anxiety. She was prescribed a Catapres-TTS Patch (clonidine 0.2mg/day) and has become seemingly worse since beginning it 3 days ago. Claiming to be suicidal and refusing to go to a Psychiatric Care facility.

She has been taking her prescribed Prozac (40mg/day) and Xanax (2-3mg/day) but claims it isn't helping.

Is it likely that the withdrawal pains and/or anxiety are mostly mental??? I've read that this can sometimes be the case. I'd love to hear from anyone with experiences on this!

I'm guessing that her recent overdose attempts with Trazadone, Xanax, (and whatever else that she wanted me to believe she'd ingested) are all just cries for help.

Unfortunately, there are not any forced-admission facilities in our area.

Please reply!
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Old 09-04-2004, 11:04 AM   #2
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Re: W/D time ~ Physical vs Mental????

Hi aNewman-
You have been thru alot-i know you are trying to help your wife...your a good man-Mr.ANewman...
Well-I can give you a basic rundown about what i went thru during w/d's..my experience is similar in that-I really had severe suicidal tendancies..i really wanted to die..these thoughts became real...i did make a few feeble attempts-luckily-my sister drove me to the hospital-and got me hooked up w/ therapists/drs...etc.
These feelings are unfortunately part of w/d-you've heard many hear describe there w/d-its not just the physical issues-its the mental anguish/its really torture-knowing that one fix..and you'll be ok..
The mental aspect of w/d...is the one that usually "gets"..most addicts-and the cycle continues..
Just a quick story.i was chatting w/ an x-addict pal..he tells me of seeing a old drug buddy-he knows is still using..he felt "physically ill"-speaking to him-after being sober for over a year-he could barely control himself..he knew all he needed to do was ask.I don't think that really goes away..for a long time.
That longing..your brain chemistry has been changed-pathways-reconfigured..
It never really went "away" for me..there were good days...and bad days..during my 2 yrs. sober..but mostly i couldn't stop the obsession..
Your wife really needs professional help..as i told you previously..if her dr. knows of her suicidal feelings-thats usually enough to get admitted..to a facility..thats usually the premise-"harm to others or themselves..
If your wife suffers from any type of mania-(bi-polar) etc..Prozac can make a person very agitated/suicidal..she really should be admitted so she can be medically supervised during her detox and then prescribed the proper meds.
Plus..this can't be good for the kids..seeing there mom in such distress.
Im sorry about your situation-i know your trying to help-but it seems like its gotten out of your control..don't feel bad-thats why there are so many treatment centers..cos most people can't do it at home.
I opted for suboxone-and i take a low maitainence dose and haven't used opiates for 10 months.
I could not get off the drugs and live a productive life w/o help..i couldn't do it on my own.Im not ashamed or feel i haven't succeded in my fight for sobriety-i know i did alot of damage..but im not using now-and i do have a quality of life that i did not have previous to treatment..
Maybe sub would be a option for your wife-it does help w/ the anxiety and depression.It removes the cravings and obsession-keeping those receptors busy-because it is an opioid.
My advice to you-is either a treatment facility-or an addictionologist to help your wife.Actually both would be best.In patient detox-and then after-care.
The stress that you/family are dealing with is too much-
God bless..
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Old 09-04-2004, 11:35 AM   #3
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Re: W/D time ~ Physical vs Mental????

ANewman:

I am so sorry that your family is going this awful ordeal. Your wife is in bad shape, and seems to need professional help. Do NOT feel bad about not being able to "fix" this for her, you've done everything you can to help her. You had mentioned telling her doctors of the situation, if that is the case, I would discuss the suicidal comments with that doctor. Hopefully, she would not be able to go through with anything because of the tight watch you have on her right now, but I would hate to make that assessment and then be wrong. This is nothing to mess around with. You owe it to your kids to get their mom the help she needs. She isn't going to sit up in bed and say everything's fine now....I think you are looking at a long term treatment (not necessarily inpatient). I'm sure we all have an opinion about what we would do if this was happening to our spouse....but you probably know her better than anyone else. Reach deep down in your heart and look at things HONESTLY, without hesitation or fear of how things will appear to your friends and family. They are not the ones you need to conern yourself with. Look at your wife and think hard about what will be best (in the long run) for her, for her children, for your family. She isn't able to make those decisions right now, she needs you now more than ever. She may not like what you decide, but I will bet with everything I have that one day in the near future, when she is feeling much better, and OFF the narcotics, she will wrap her arms around you and thank you from the bottom of her heart for loving her enough to make the difficult (and probably unpopular) decisions on her behalf. She is in a state of hopelessness......please give her some hope......Please stay in touch if you can, I know you are very occupied with other (more important) things....but if you have a spare minute...I know there are several people (myself included) on this board who are thinking of you and your wife and praying for a peaceful and successful resolution. Fondly ~ Jen
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Old 09-17-2004, 08:26 PM   #4
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Re: W/D time ~ Physical vs Mental????

Thanks for the replies!!! Sorry I haven't updated in a while. Here's the latest on my wife:

22 days off of ANY Opiate!! Praise God!!

However, her daily question for me (and thus the board) is, "why am I still aching?"

Any thoughts?????

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Old 09-17-2004, 09:59 PM   #5
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Re: W/D time ~ Physical vs Mental????

yes aNewman. methadone withdrawal is the longest lasting of all the opiate withdrawals. i have indeed heard of some lasting a month or longer. she certainly will be dealing with some emotional issues too along with the continued achiness. depression and opiate withdrawal go hand in hand. i now take wellbutrin, lamictal, risperdal, and zoloft. it took all that just to pull me out of the depression. i wasnt happy but i did make some progress. i think she might not be getting an aggressive enough approach to her depression issues. i would talk to her doctor and explain the situation and that you feel she should try a different more aggressive attitude in the approach to her treatment[in particular possibly some different or additional prescription anti-depressants like the ones i listed] the depression after opiate withdrawal can be and is in many cases very severe and can take long periods of time to see progress in patients
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