KICKIN' EASILY! who'd have thought

[carpetmonkee]

hey guys and girls,
ive been on and off for the majority of 8 to 9 years.. mostly on more than off. i have done the best of it, from codiene to darvon, agonist/antagonists to hydrocodone to morphine.. ive shot my share.. (and yours,) of oxycodone, and dilaudid and heroin to boot. i even used to get pure powdered hydrocodone with no cut, that even tried to.. yes, IV. and you know.. theres a wide range of us here on this message board, and it really doesnt matter if your taking 5 lorries a day or shooting 100 d's. the pain.. is the SAME. ive been recently prescribed hydromorphone and oxycodone and hydrocodone and diazepam and carisoprodol.. among other things like sleepers and wakers.. anyhow, ive tried kicking 5 lorcets a day and kicking, just recently shooting an average of 10 or 20 billies a day (400-800mgs of oxycodone) with 4 or 5 d's as a side dish.. thats several times a day in the least, not to mention maybe 20 to 30 hydrocodones if the heavy supply is low. and kicking just 5, or kicking all of this mentioned above.. its no different. the pain level? yes thats different, the withdrawal can worsen.. but we are ALL, in the same boat with the PANIC.. the FEAR.. the mental anguish.. of having to face this horrible physical pain of reform. its scares me horribly.. infact, its about the only thing that scares me.. 30 lorries a day doesnt scare me, a 200mg loaded rig of oxy doesnt scare me.. the damage weve done to our bodies doesnt scare us.. the risks we take with ourselves and our friends and families doesnt scare us.. but the pain and dear DOES, and apparantly theres alot.. ALOT of people that are doing the same thing.. and this includes YOU, reading this thread.. YES!!! its YOU im spekaing to.
ive just started SUBUTEX, and its th most amazing treatment ive ever seen or heard of. for the first time in 2 years im clean by choice and working this program confidently. ive tried alot of alternatives and alot of treatments and they all dont even come CLOSE. im surrounded by medications, and people with medications, and people looking for medications.. ect ect.. and amongst this adversity im still making strides.. confidently, ill add again.. making strides in a positive direction. i know theres someone out there, as determined to make this better as i am, and is reading this.. and if your sick.. no matter what or how much youo take, we are all the same.. if your sick.. and sick and tired, and sick and sick and tired, or sick and sick and tired of being sick, man this is a heaven sent option. its golden. opiates have been labeled one of humanities first scourges, preceding cocaine and alcohol.. it has reigned thousands of years unapproachable, unstopable.. millions of people have suffered for centuries.. and finally through our techonological evolution as a people have we unnearthed some new methods of combating this "scourge".. and in my personal opinion, SUBUTEX is the best yet.. and its available NOW.

p.s. im very excited about this working for me, and have every intention of helping everyone i can out thats in the same situation as i am.. please dont hesitate to write or ask, i helps me as well as it helps you.

the bartacomus

[pearce28]

Have u ever tried methadone? I don't suggest it but I am wondering. I have been clean for almost three years now. I have no idea how but it just happened. I was an all IV drug user for over five years. So I have heard that sub is not addicting. How is that possible? It holds you right? Please do be excited cuz I am not trying to stop that. I remember when I found mehtadone and thought it was terrific. Sadly how wrong I was. I found that it was just a short term fix of a long term problem. It still did the job when it was needed and I was not ready nor able to do the whole physical really quit and change my whole life thing. That is a lot. Would you tell me what you know about this sub and compare to methadone if you can. It was not around when I quit. Go girl .

[kuno]

One difference is that Meth does not have a "ceiling" like Subutex. You can only take so much Subutex, so it is hard to get a "buzz" off of it. Also I think Subutex is also a much quicker program, should only take a month or 2 to complete and be done with.

[goddessgrl65]

Hi-
im also all/IV-All of the time..lol..good post..i hear ya-the needle is an addiction onto itself-and have been on the sister drug-suboxone..(so i can't shoot it)..and i agree..its the greatest!
Haven't used in a year...
ive been on suboxone for a year-
tapering now..
ill letcha know how it goes..as i go down-on 3 mgs now.
It is holding me-and i was pretty heavy user-i did kick down my habit-before i went on-the program..
Im happy you've found this treatment too-and its working for you..
All Hail Sub(utex)..Sub(oxone)...
ggrl

[carpetmonkee]

hey pearce and goddess,

well, what ive read about subutex, is that its a receptor specific opiate. which means its considered an antagonist(makes you sick) AND an agonist(properties that make youo painfree and high). methadone, is a complete agonist. created by the germans in pre-war germany i believe (maybe during the war, the germans also discovered hydrocodone and hydromorphone and the Oxy family as well.) well, the advantage of methadone, is its half life, which has to be more than 24hrs.. so instead of spending time scoring or working on getting drugs you have one good dose.. once a day. leveling the amount of money and substance you take a day. unfortunantly.. it does nothing to help you get off the drugs.. infact it makes the withdrawal longer, because of its long half life. i've heard many times in my life that methadone is much harder to kick than any other opiate.. most likely with the exclusion of LAAM, or i think they called it OrLAAM, brand name which was like methadone in the same family as levorphanol.. anyhow, this alternative lasted 3 DAYS! instead of 1 day like methadone does.. so youo only had to take your drugs once every 3 days.. but it also made it jsut as hard to get off it as well.. if it keeps you painfree or high for 3 times longer its going to take 3 times longer to get off. as for SUBUTEX.. its half life is just as long if not longer than methadone, something like 24 to 36 hrs. and its receptor specific.. ill try to explain this as correct and simple as ive learned so far..

your body has 3 types of opiate receptor sites. only 3 ways, or keyholes, for your body to get painfree/high.. only 3 types of receptors. there are 2 small types and one big one. the small ones are called mu and theta, and the big one is called kappa. 3 types of opiate receptors, mu (small) theta (small) and kappa (large). pain killers fill all the receptors, and when you fill them, your body stops making its natural pain killers. so when you stop taking pain killers all the pain receptors are empty.. hence your pain. SUBUTEX only fills the small receptors mu and theta.. and leaves the big receptor, kappa, empty. so, you dont hurt because the subutex is a pain killer too, but since it leaves one receptor empty your body begins to make endorphines to fill the gap.. so while you take SUBUTEX, your body begins to catch up and make its own pain killers. so after a while if taking SUBUTEX, your body has caught up making endorphines.. and then when you stop taking SUBUTEX instead of you not having natural pain killers, youve been making them. methadone fills all the receptors, so when you stop taking methadone, you have no natural painkillers.. and you will go into withdrawal. you have to titrate down (not sure what word to use), you taper down methadone slowly.. very slowly, trying to make the pain as bearable as possible.. uunlike subutex. ive heard of people getting off subutex as soon as 2 weeks!

bart