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Old 06-30-2007, 10:49 AM   #1
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Please explain the various ADD meds

What do all of you know about the different medications? I'm assuming that some are more directed toward the hyperactivity, some toward the concentration issues, some toward the impulsivity, etc. Is that true and, if so, what can you tell me about them? I'd like to have some information, first hand, before this appointment on the 5th.

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Old 07-01-2007, 02:50 PM   #2
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Re: Please explain the various ADD meds

Karen,

A complex question indeed and one that I am not qualified to answer authoritatively.

Heck, that never stopped me before so here goes:

There are a couple schools of thought on ADD/ADHD. I'm in class at the "they are the same disorder being manifested differently because of many other variables not fully understood" school.

A couple of real authorities including Dr. Daniel Amen, a psychiatrist who has my highest respect, disagree. Another preeminent figure in the field is Dr. Russel Barkley, a psychologist. He is currently teaching at my school but may jump ship if future research results put ADD in its own category.

Whatever the case, ADD and ADHD respond to nearly identical therapies with the variance to the best of my knowledge being ADD responds better to a lower dose of a stimulant class med than ADHD. Keep in mind that not all with ADHD respond to stimulants. About 25 to 30 percent do not respond at all, that is, to stimulants focus enhancing, implusivity and hyperactivity suppressing properties. Other meds not classed as stimulants nor having stimulating properties can be used to suppress hyperactivity and impulsivity because of their sedative effects.

Both your daughter and Goody2Shuz's daughter have lots of Hyperactivity so forget the ADD. Your psychologist ruled out bipolar but just in case watch daughter carefully if stimulants are prescribed. Stimulant intoxication is mania. They are capable of sending bipolar suffers into the most dangerous mania imaginable.

Stimulants are first line meds except when abuse may be a problem. The stimulant meds are Ritalin (methylphenidate), Foculin (l-methylphenidate), Adderall (a mix of d-amphetamine and l-amphetamine – their molecules mirror each other if you are a chemistry buff), Dexedrine (d-amphetamine) and rarely Desoxyn (methamphetamine).

I got to tell you since I've been there and done that, that Dexedrine and methamphetamine are as addictive as hell IF ABUSED. Anything that can make us suffering humans feel that good is difficult to resist unless a good deal of mental, emotional and moral stability is firmly in place. By moral stability I mean the cognition that abusing drugs is wrong.

Ritalin and Adderall can also be abused but because their "high" isn't as "high" as meth or dex amphetamine they are much better choices for the teen years when roller-coaster emotions are the normal.

Down side is more possible side effects and higher doses may be required to achieve efficacy. Extended release formulas are less likely to be abused because the release mechanism prevents the full dose from slamming into the CNS. That slam action is why dope-fiends use needles.

Barring the potential for abuse (other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did-cha enjoy the show?), the stimulants are remarkably free from serious side effects given a healthy heart. Stimulants generally slow heart rate but raise blood pressure. They cause the heart to pump harder hence less need for frequency. As long as heart is healthy, not a problem.

There is a slew of other meds if stimulants don't work, can't be used because of drug/alcohol abuse history or commorbidies such as bipolar indications.

Sometimes a combination of meds is needed.

Do you want your question answered?

Stimulant class meds are first line choice for inattention, implusivity and hyperactivety symptoms.
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Old 07-01-2007, 04:58 PM   #3
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Re: Please explain the various ADD meds

Addprogramer....thanks for your very informative post. Like Frazzled, I would like to educate myself about the varying meds so that IF the doctor diagnosis our daughter we will be well informed as parents to make a final decision with him. We have an evaluation set for July 20th for my 18 year old daughter and since we are somewhat concerned about her susceptibility to Bipolar (being that her younger sister has been diagnosed with both ADD inattentive & Bipolar), I am of course very concerned about the induced mania issue especially since my younger daughter experienced that when put on Zoloft, a SSRI which poses the same risks of triggering mania in an undiagnosed BPer. However, in my younger daughter's situation it made it much easier for the doctor to diagnose BP. I will of course see what the psychiatrist recommends and will of course share my concerns with him regarding this.

I am also concerned about my daughter's susceptibility to drug abuse, first because alcoholism and addictions run on both sides of our family and second, my daughter has been using alcohol and pot since the age of 14. I am pretty sure she is self medicating but am not going to bury my head in the sand and make excuses but that is my motherly instinct.

So.....with that being said I think I would be more comfortable with a non-stimulant medication such as Strattera. What are your thoughts about that one??? And are there any others that you would suggest with what I have shared with you concerning my daughter's predisposition to Bipolar as well as addictive problems.

I appreciate your advice and look forward to anything you or anybody else has to share regarding medication choices.

Frazzled....I am glad that I am not the only one here standing in LIMBO and hope that both of us will see some positiver results once our daughters are porperly diagnosed and treated.

Hope things have calmed down and that you get your answers soon. I am only a few steps behind you.

(((((HUGS))))) ~ Goody
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Old 07-01-2007, 05:07 PM   #4
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Re: Please explain the various ADD meds

Sorry that I have not replied to you in the other thread. Programmer said it nicely, I'll add a few thoughts. Disclaimer: Layperson talking...I welcome any corrections.

Here is simile that may give you some understanding. Keep in mind, this is a gross simplification, but it partially explains the goal of medication. The idea of using stimulants to treat ADD/ADHD sounds like a misnomer.

Picture this ...with medication, a basic goal is to stimulate the frontal (cerebral) cortex. With ADD/ADHD the frontel lobe is lacking stimulation---for various reasons...The frontal lobe is likened to the executive command center over the rest of the brain...the other lobes and structures deeper in the brain. ...so while the boss is taking a nap, the other lobes of the brain are having a party. The effects could be hyperactivity, inattention, both. In some cases, the person deals with overstimulation, but the same person can also be understimulated in other cases. As you can imagine, the person may resort to destructive habits and behavior to get the stimulation. This can be anywhere from mere arguments, caffeine to drug abuse. Of course, understimulation has it's problems.

Random question to Frazzled parent, Goody (or any ADD'er), have you noticed a tendency to want to cut tags out of shirts...or pickiness on material texture, etc??....One of those authors mentioned that it was common with ADD due to hypersensitivity. I've always been picky about scratchy clothes, but I would have never connected it!
I encourage you to read some of Daniel Amen's books. I may have mentioned this in the other link but Daniel Amen has a section dealing with social and family dynamics. There is a chapter called "The Games ADD people play," which gives great advice on how to deal with them.

Also, Driven to Distraction (forgetting author) is wonderful for the parent and the child.

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Old 07-01-2007, 08:08 PM   #5
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Re: Please explain the various ADD meds

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The frontal lobe is likened to the executive command center over the rest of the brain...the other lobes and structures deeper in the brain. ...so while the boss is taking a nap, the other lobes of the brain are having a party.

Also, Driven to Distraction (forgetting author) is wonderful for the parent and the child.
Yep, "them other lobes having a wild bash" - an apt ADHD description. Ed Hallowell is author.

Strattera is effective. Fact is, some adults swear by it. Better than stimulants they say. My experience: I, like many males, found the sexual side effects intolerable. Both genders usually find the first few weeks intolerable. After that the side effects seem to moderate for most but not all. So like all other psychotropic meds, works for many but not all.
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