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Old 12-12-2003, 06:04 PM   #16
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Re: Treat my sinus infections "upside down" with peroxide. It works!

After thinking about it, perhaps I was being too assumptive about your disability, and I may have sounded rude. If so, I apologize.

Do you think that there might be a way to do it?


Thank you for your thoughtfulness and don't worry, you didn't sound at all rude.

I have (so I am told) an unusual set of autoimmune symptoms attacking nerve, muscle, ligament and joints and blood vessels. I would find it quite difficult to get in a suitable position and even harder to hold it for long enough, and that is one thing that has held me back from trying it to date.

However, I wont be beaten and have been looking online for good diagrams of sinuses and how they lie to help me work out some strategy! trouble is, sinuses are very variable in shape and that makes it harder, but if I treat the maxillary sinuses only, I might have success just lying on my side.

Avoiding the eustachian tube is a must, I imagine!

I will wait to actually try the method until I have had my weird eyesight problem diagnosed, (march at least :( that is Britain and the NHS for you! I have been waiting to have it sorted since it happened in august... it was triggered by merely driving over a speed hump a bit too fast which makes me very wary of increasing my intracranial pressure (by having my head lower than my body) in case it causes further damage to my optic nerve.


I will get in contact with my son this weekend if I can, and talk to him about your method further, I already mentioned it to him.

I suspect the reason you don't get more feedback is because people are dead scared of trying it, thinking, no doubt, how it stings even to get plain water up the nose! But you are living proof it is survivable! :)

However did you come to think it up?

It is 2 AM so I am off to bed...

Have a good holiday yourself, too :)

 
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Re: Treat my sinus infections "upside down" with peroxide. It works!

Where can you purchase the xlear nasal wash? Do you need a prescription?

 
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I have (so I am told) an unusual set of autoimmune symptoms attacking nerve, muscle, ligament and joints and blood vessels. I would find it quite difficult to get in a suitable position and even harder to hold it for long enough, and that is one thing that has held me back from trying it to date.

However, I wont be beaten and have been looking online for good diagrams of sinuses and how they lie to help me work out some strategy! trouble is, sinuses are very variable in shape and that makes it harder, but if I treat the maxillary sinuses only, I might have success just lying on my side.
With your disabilities it would be great if you could, at least, get some sinus relief. I wish you luck. You also sound like quite the fighter, not allowing your disabilities to get the best of you. I wish you a much healthier 2004!

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I will wait to actually try the method until I have had my weird eyesight problem diagnosed, (march at least that is Britain and the NHS for you! I have been waiting to have it sorted since it happened in august... it was triggered by merely driving over a speed hump a bit too fast which makes me very wary of increasing my intracranial pressure (by having my head lower than my body) in case it causes further damage to my optic nerve.
That is very smart. You have been very complimentary about my trying to bring a sinus cure to others, but at the same time, you have evaluated your own situation, and decided that my procedure is too risky at this time. Yours is a good example for others. I don't want people to rush into using my "upside down" flooding technique. I only want people to know it is an option, that has worked extremely well for me, and for a few documented others.


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I suspect the reason you don't get more feedback is because people are dead scared of trying it, thinking, no doubt, how it stings even to get plain water up the nose! But you are living proof it is survivable!
It stings. No doubt about that. But..... I am the biggest baby in the world. I do not like pain. I have done the upside down flooding type of irrigation at least thirty times. It could be forty times, I don't really remember. Once I used much too much peroxide and it really stung! I still stayed down for about three minutes.

I first started doing it after forty years of sinus infection damage. My sinuses were raw. My nasal passages were raw. The discharge always had some blood. But, I was able to do it. Now when I do it there is very little discomfort.

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However did you come to think it up?
Peroxide is really a miracle medicine and cleaner. I use it to take the odor out of drains, clean my hands, rinse my mouth, treat infections, etc..

I had read on the Internet about using Peroxide in cold water evaporators, for sinus and throat problems. I've tried that, I've tried hot steam peroxide mists, I've tried peroxide on cue tips. I've really experimented a lot, and found out that the combination of peroxide and baking soda is extremely powerful. I didn't post my "cure" for sinus problems, on the Internet, until after I had used it successfully for two years, and had figured out the correct mixture. It's really a long story, but that is the basics.

If I get the flu this year, I'm going to try peroxide in the cold mist evarporator, and my "upside down" flooding process, if it is in my sinuses.

Thanks for the response. Hope you slept well!

 
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QUOTE=beerzoids]With your disabilities it would be great if you could, at least, get some sinus relief.

I have reduced my sinus problems a lot, by living by my
'sinus survival rules'
With a cold I try never to blow my nose, I sniff or wander around with tissues held to my nose
At first sign of a scratchy throat I gargle with water and grapefruit seed extract, few turn into a cold if I keep it up diligently.
If one sinus hurts, sleep on the opposite side, this also holds true with blocked eustachian tubes.
Try to drink 2 litres of water a day, this has been my major aid to better health.
I have also developed tequniques for draining a blocked nose by lying on my side, and holding my head a fraction of an inch off my pillow, it is the effort that seems to work, perhaps a circulation thing?

I wish you luck. You also sound like quite the fighter, not allowing your disabilities to get the best of you.

Me a fighter? well, compared to you I am merely in the kindergarten. Just how much strength and courage must it have taken to do your first 'soaking'. You are a pioneer, and typical of the best pioneers you would rather people got to hear about it instead of you making money from it.

I wish you a much healthier 2004!

Thankyou! And well done to you for fixing your own health problem!

If I get the flu this year, I'm going to try peroxide in the cold mist evaporator, and my "upside down" flooding process, if it is in my sinuses.

I wish you all the best, I bet it works.
I am so interested you are getting your sense of smell back, I thought mine was beyond help, I can see it isn't so. I look forward to getting the go ahead to try your method from the eye specialist.

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I am so interested you are getting your sense of smell back, I thought mine was beyond help, I can see it isn't so. I look forward to getting the go ahead to try your method from the eye specialist.
You probably have heard the old say, "Be careful what you ask for"?

Well....... about an hour ago, when I took a shower, I found out that my water really has a bad smell of rotten eggs. I've heard that from others in my neighborhood, but I have never experienced it before.

The water smell was almost overwhelming.

Another thing that happens when the sense of smell starts to return, is that smells whack me upside my head. In other words, I'll walk into a room, or go into a restaurant that I have eaten in many times before, and the "new" odor can be a shock to my system. It's taken many months for my sinuses to recover.

Each day a little more of my sense of smell comes back. I want to do another "upside down" flooding this weekend, but my heart disease is acting up, and I am not quite up to it.

I hope that your eye-specialist appointment turns out great with a minor diagnosis and a total fix.

 
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[QUOTE=beerzoids]You probably have heard the old say, "Be careful what you ask for"?
Well....... about an hour ago, when I took a shower, I found out that my water really has a bad smell of rotten eggs. ...


Grief! I hope you don't live near a volcano! Still, despite the pong at least you know when it is there nowadays. I get problems working out if milk has 'turned' or not and suchlike.

I want to do another "upside down" flooding this weekend, but my heart disease is acting up, and I am not quite up to it.

Sorry to hear you are having heart problems, I hope it improves soon. It is a nuisance when you can't do what you want.

I hope that your eye-specialist appointment turns out great with a minor diagnosis and a total fix.
Thanks!

 
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I had a sinus infection a few weeks back for the 1st time in my life. I am 31. But I do have problems like if I go out into the cold...I get a sinus headache! But this sinus infection I had, I was given antibiotics. They were HUGE and they were $100!!! I don't have insurance so that sucked! Well, after 3 days, my pain was gone. BUT....now that I am finished with the meds....I still have a stuffy nose! I have tried a facial steamer and hot baths and nasal sprays but nothing seems to help it. Can you tell me, what's going on. There is no way I can afford to spend another $100 on antibiotics!! It makes me angry actually that I spent that...and it probably didn't work. Can you tell me why the sinus pain went away after taking the meds but the stuffed up nose hasn't? I am really worried because it was painfull...I don't want to get another one!

Also......you said peroxide and baking soda....why wouldn't the saline or other nasal sprays work? Someone said that one kills bacteria. I'm confused.

One more question...what would happen if you did actually swallow some of the mixture of water, peroxide and baking soda??

Thank you

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BUT....now that I am finished with the meds....I still have a stuffy nose! I have tried a facial steamer and hot baths and nasal sprays but nothing seems to help it. Can you tell me, what's going on. There is no way I can afford to spend another $100 on antibiotics!! It makes me angry actually that I spent that...and it probably didn't work. Can you tell me why the sinus pain went away after taking the meds but the stuffed up nose hasn't? I am really worried because it was painfull...I don't want to get another one!
Sorry to hear about your sinus misery and related headaches.

From what I know, antibiotics don't fully cure sinus infections. The main reason that antibiotics don't fully work is because they won't kill the bacteria that is in the mucus and other debris within the sinuses. So, even if they do kill the infection within the soft tissues of the sinuses, and thusly make you feel a lot better temporarily, after you stop taking the antibiotics, the left-over bacteria in the mucus and other crud within the sinuses will just be able to re-infect. Antibiotics, however, are also excellent decongestants, so while you are taking them, you feel a lot better. Expensive decongestants, huh!

My mixture of peroxide and baking soda, if it is allowed to get into the infected areas of the sinuses, seems to kill all harmful bacteria.

As long as there is something in your sinuses, probably some type of infection, your sinuses are going to react badly. Sometimes, all it takes is a little amount of crud lodged in your sinuses to give you significant misery.

For long-term relief, you need to be able to either destroy the infection, or flush out the crude. It's really quite simple. It's the same as having a little pebble in your sock. As long as you walk on the pebble, it is going to hurt, and the longer you are irritated by the pebble, the longer you are going to suffer. The main difference is that the sinuses are a lot more sensitive than the bottom of your foot, and when the sinuses are irritated, glands produce chemicals in your body that make you feel lousy and could be causing headaches and other problems.

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Also......you said peroxide and baking soda....why wouldn't the saline or other nasal sprays work? Someone said that one kills bacteria. I'm confused.
If you use an anti-infective nasal spray, it could work, but only if the mixture gets back into the complex depths of the sinuses. But, usually the anti-infective doesn't get deep into the sinus cavities, where it would do any good. That's why I do an "upside down" flooding of my sinuses, with what I consider to be a very safe and effective anti-infective solution.

I've never heard of someone using salt for an infection. For instance, a pimple is an infection. You wouldn't use salt to treat a pimple, you would either coat the pimple with soap for an hour, or use another anti-infective resource. I have never heard of anyone curing a sinus infection with saline spray. It just treats the symptoms by attempting to flush out garbage from the sinuses. Salt also tends to shrink the sinus membranes, so it provides some relief that way. If you will notice, those that use saline irrigation are constantly having to use it because the sinus condition never goes away. If you don't get rid of the infection or crud within the sinuses, you will suffer endlessly.

After forty years of my suffering with sinus disease, sinus surgery, antibiotics, constantly going back to the damn ENTs, I finally had it. About three years ago, I gave up on the sinus doctors, and I started experimenting with various treatments for my awful sinus disease. My sinusitis was almost disabling. I finally seemed to get some type of relief of my sinus disease about two years ago. It took me two years, and about 40 "upside down" floodings of my sinuses, with peroxide and baking soda, before I had the correct formula, and the confidence to publish my findings on the Internet, to share it with others. Unfortunately, when I first started testing on myself, I used too much peroxide and it made me even more miserable. It was very depressing. It took three days for my sinuses to get better from the peroxide. But, when they did get better, THEY GOT BETTER!

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One more question...what would happen if you did actually swallow some of the mixture of water, peroxide and baking soda?? Thank you
I gargle with 3% hydrogen peroxide all the time. I brush my teeth with it also. Anytime I get any swelling in my gums, I brush my teeth with peroxide. I try to not swallow it. I would not advise swallowing the mixture. For the 40 times that I have done an "upside down" flooding, I don't think that I have swallowed any at all. The way I do the process, there is very little chance of swallowing the mixture.

My head is down on the shower floor, with my sinuses facing up. When I am done I lift my head up and let most of the mixture just pour out back onto the shower floor. Then, once you blow your nose, you then discharge most of the remainder of the mixture. Besides that, baking soda is used for making bread.

I've had only about 6 people feed back to me their experiences with my cure for sinusitis. For most of them, their headaches were completely gone within a day of doing the "upside down" flooding.

I have found something that works that completely cures my sinus disease. I'm not going to change a thing, since it works so well.

Have I answered all your questions. Feel free to ask as many as you need, and feel free to question any part of my "upside down" flooding technique.

Please provide a followup concerning what you intend to do. I get very little feedback. Thanks.

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Thank you for answering everything! Do doctors know of this upside down technique? I wonder why they don't tell their patients? Instead of spending $100!!

Let me get this straight...when you do this...your head is down...do you mean your face would be facing the shower floor? On your knees? And where would I get the ml measuring cups to measure?

 
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Re: Treat my sinus infections "upside down" with peroxide. It works!

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Thank you for answering everything! Do doctors know of this upside down technique? I wonder why they don't tell their patients? Instead of spending $100!!

Let me get this straight...when you do this...your head is down...do you mean your face would be facing the shower floor? On your knees? And where would I get the ml measuring cups to measure?
As far as I know, no one has ever come up with this technique. I think that it is a significant medical breakthrough. I've sent documention to CNN, Fox News, all of the local news channels, the Inquirer, and not one has gotten back to me. I will keep trying.

Let me describe the position a little better. I kneel down on the floor, and then I put the top of my head down on the shower floor with my nostrils facing upward. My face is facing back towards my chest. I am bald on the top of my head, so my shiny bald head is on the shower floor. At least I don't get my hair wet, because I don't have any!

You want your nostrils facing upward, so that you can spray the mixture in, and so that the mixture will seep deep into the sinuses. Once you fill up your sinuses with a mixture of peroxide/baking soda/salt and water, you do not want to breath through your nose, at all. In fact you can't breath through your nose, because your sinuses, at that time, are flooded, and breathing in through your nose might suck some of the mixture up into your ear's Eustachian tubes. To experiment, I did breath the mixture back, one time, when my sinuses were flooded, and it did not hurt my Eustachian tubes, but it was stupid, and I won't try it again.

I do not use more than 1/8th fluid ounces of peroxide to 1 1/4 fluid ounces of water, or one part peroxide to 10 parts water. The mildest I use would be 1/8th ounces of peroxide to 2 1/2 ounces of water, or one part peroxide to 20 parts water. I then add a pinch of baking soda and a pinch of salt to the mixture, and shake it up real good.

You should read the documentation over slowly, and carefully, if you are thinking of using the procedure. How badly the peroxide burns your sinuses depends upon how much peroxide that you use, and how sensitive your sinuses are.

When I first used the "upside down" flooding techique to treat my sinus disease I used one part peroxide to 3 parts water, and I saw stars. It really hurt. I was still able to stay down for about five minutes, but it caused my sinuses to totally close up for three days. That did not make me happy.

If you do decide to do the "upside down" flooding, let me know what time you are going to start and what time zone you are in, and I will stand by the Internet just in case you have any questions, or want to cuss me out!

I have to caution you, that I am not a doctor, and I have no idea about your medical condition. Even though I have used this "upside down" flooding irrigation about forty times myself, and others have gotten back to me thanking me for curing their sinus disease, I have no idea how you will react to this type of irrigation. The decision to go ahead must be fully yours.

Regardless, please let me know what you decide to do.

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I will definately let you know if and when I try this but could you let me know where to find a ml measurer? Maybe you did..and I missed that.

But thanks again

 
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I will definately let you know if and when I try this but could you let me know where to find a ml measurer? Maybe you did..and I missed that.

But thanks again
You could probably find a ml measurer in any drug store.

But, you don't need a ml measurer. Please re-read my last note to you. I gave you the measurements in ounces rather than millimeters.

But, regardless of measurements, the amount of peroxide that I would use, would be a mild amount of only one part peroxide to 20 parts water. Most saline nasal sprayers, which is what I use, are capable of containing about 2.5 fluid ounces of water. So, I use 1/8 ounce of peroxide to 2.5 fluid ounces of water. This amounts to one part peroxide to 20 parts water.

When you measure out 1/8th ounce of peroxide, you will be surprised. It is a tiny amount. But, don't be fooled. It'll still burn your sinuses somewhat. When I was experimenting on my self, I used seven times that amount of peroxide. It took quite a while to find the smallest amount I could use, and have it still be effective against sinus disease. I prefer one part peroxide to ten parts water.

I hope that this info helps you.

I just got another note, this morning, from someone who is trying my "upside down" flooding sinus cure. He is very happy.

Let me know what you decide to do. Don't worry about asking additional questions. I'd love to see you without sinus misery, but you've got to be confident and comfortable before you make your decision.

Take care, ...................

 
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Smile Did an "upside down" flooding this morning.

Just got through with another "upside down" flooding of my sinuses. I used one part peroxide to ten parts water, a pinch of baking soda and a pinch of salt.

My sinuses were totally open and relaxed when I did it. I wanted to experiment on my healthy sinuses, so I could post my experience on the Internet. It's the first time I have used the process since Oct 30th.

This is the first time that my sinuses were able to hold the entire amount of fluid without it coming out the other nostril. It is a little puzzling. I think that is because my turbinates are no longer swollen, and irritated, and thus, my nasal areas are larger and more open.

It burned just a tiny bit. The biggest problem I had was the urge to sneeze, which I was able to suppress. I stayed down for about three fairly comfortable minutes.

I am now sitting at my puter, typing this, and my sinuses feel great! I will now go to my other forums and post this same info.

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It makes me wonder why doctors don't have a cure...I mean...why can't they think of something to flush out your sinuses? It's 2003! lol

I am feeling like crap...my whole head feels conjested. My nose is stuffed up. My face doesn't hurt yet and I hope it don't start. That was awful.

Quick question....will sinus infections go away on their own? I really wish I would get better. It's been 2-3 weeks!! And one more....since the facial pain went away....does that mean the stuffiness will soon? I look and feel terrible!!

 
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It makes me wonder why doctors don't have a cure...I mean...why can't they think of something to flush out your sinuses? It's 2003! lol
Doctors make more if people continuously come back for treatment. Also, just like other professions, there are doctors that are very good and doctors who are not.

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I am feeling like crap...my whole head feels conjested. My nose is stuffed up. My face doesn't hurt yet and I hope it don't start. That was awful.
My face never hurt, but my nose would plug up badly. Also, sinus infections made me feel miserable. It was almost disabling to me. Fortunately I found a way to cure sinus infections and the misery that comes with it.

I gave myself three "upside down" floodings yesterday. Just experimenting. The first flooding was with one part peroxide to ten parts water, a pinch of baking soda, and a pinch of salt. My sinuses are doing great, so there was very little discomfort. The next two floodings were just with water and salt. It surprised me because the salt water mix actually burned a little bit. This morning I am just a tiny bit stuffy from the three floodings.

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Quick question....will sinus infections go away on their own? I really wish I would get better. It's been 2-3 weeks!! And one more....since the facial pain went away....does that mean the stuffiness will soon? I look and feel terrible!!
In my opinion, sinus infections NEVER go away on their own. The longer that they are attacking the soft, moist tissues of your sinuses, the more damage that they can do. Sinus infections left on their own can also cause damage to your immune system, or spread to other areas of the body.

I really feed bad for you. My "upside down" technique for flooding of your sinuses with peroxide and baking soda could cure your sinus disease and take away your misery.

But, I am not a doctor. It is unethical and illegal for a non-doctor to prescibe medical treatment. That is why I always suggest checking with a doctor before using my sinus cure. I do realize that some are not going to check with their doctor, and that is OK with me as long as it is their decision and not mine.

Everyone, so far, who has used my procedure and given me feedback is overjoyed. I posted one person's feedback to me here, but the moderators removed it because the posts violated the rules. I have not gotten one post back saying that my procedure messed someone up.

I have used the "upside down" technique many times and have found it safe and effective for me. I had chronic sinus disease and infections for over thirty years. I've had sinus surgery. My sinuses were really messed up. The "upside down" procedure has cured my sinus disease, made me feel great and even my sense of smell is slowly coming back.

If you decide to use my "upside down" flooding technique, please let me know, and I will try to be available for questions while you are doing it.

You might wonder why I am spending so much time posting my sinus cure all over the internet. I've got my cure posted on nine different forums on the internet. I spend hours per day answering questions and posting information. The answer: If you could help cure someone else's misery, wouldn't you do everything that you could do in order to do it?

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