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Old 05-24-2012, 08:09 AM   #1
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Following sinus surgery...

Hi all,

Following on to my previous posts I thought I would share my latest experiences of living with sinus problems.

I left hospital around 48 hours ago after having endoscopic sinus surgery, septoplasty and a polyp removed.

The operation went very well and I can honestly say it wasn't too uncomfortable, I have also noticed a definite improvement in my hearing and my vision. Although I do still have some slight ear pain.

I'm not to sure what to expect over the next few days I'm feeling very weak, sensitive to light and occasionally some sharp pains when I go to move my head quickly.

Has anyone had any similar surgery that could tell me how long it takes to recover from this? It seems like it could take longer than the doctors thought (1week)?

Thanks for reading this, I look forward to your replies.

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... I left hospital around 48 hours ago after having endoscopic sinus surgery, septoplasty and a polyp removed. ... Has anyone had any similar surgery that could tell me how long it takes to recover from this? It seems like it could take longer than the doctors thought (1week)?
I had a septoplasty and a cyst removed around 40 years ago. After the surgery I felt great for a few months. Then my sinus problems came back with a vengeance and I started getting sinus infections several times per year for decades until 2001.

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For as long as I can remember I have had this horrible pain around my eyes, I had 1 year free from it around 2 years ago. (the best year of my life!)

I believe it still to be my sinuses. It was around 3 weeks ago I had septoplasty, polyp removal and my sinuses cleaned out. Initially my head felt great, my face was very sore so cannot be sure but I think the headache had gone. That lasted around 5 hours then came straight back.
Have you had xrays of your frontal sinuses, which are above the eyes, or your ethmoid sinuses that are between the eyes?

My sinus infection problems were finally cured forever by recklessly flooding my sinuses with a diluted mixture of 3% hydrogen peroxide, which should only be done under the supervision of a medical professional. It worked for me, but it might not work for anyone else, and might even hurt someone elses health and well being.

If you would care to read about my experiences in curing my sinus/nasal membrane problems, please read my thread at the top of this Sinus Problem topic: Infrequent Sinus Flooding with Peroxide & Baking Soda halted my infection nightmare , at the direct link: http://www.healthboards.com/boards/sinus-problems/139765-infrequent-sinus-flooding-peroxide-baking-soda-halted-my-infection-nightmare.html
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:43 PM   #3
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Re: Following sinus surgery....

That's great thank you for your reply. I will definitely read through your thread and will have a go at the sinus flooding.

I use saline solution in a canister that I spray up my nose, but I guess that is completely different from flooding it?

I haven't had an x ray but I did have a CT scan which determined my op, do you think I should ask for an x ray?

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That's great thank you for your reply. I will definitely read through your thread and will have a go at the sinus flooding.
Let me know if you have any questions after you read thru the thread.

The biggest risk, of either flooding or irrigating the sinuses, involves getting fluid into the Eustachian Tubes near the back of the throat, one on each side. Any swallowing, chewing, sneezing, yawning, coughing, etc., while there is liquid within the nasal passages can cause the Eustachian Tubes to open, allowing the fluid to enter into the tube. That is one of the reasons that a medical professional should supervise and approve of the sinus flooding.

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When I flooded my sinuses I placed my head down into my sink or shower and then filled my sinuses with a mixture of diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt. It burned severely the very first time because I did not dilute it enough. It closed up my nasal passages tightly and painfully for three long days. I was miserable. I had already been in sinus misery before I did it, so I cursed myself for being so stupid and experimenting in such a risky way. I really thought that I had done some damage to my nasal passages/sinuses.

After the third day, my nasal passages opened up WIDE and they felt better than they had in a long time. Who'd of thunked?? I was stupid about it, but I lucked out.

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I haven't had an x ray but I did have a CT scan which determined my op, do you think I should ask for an x ray?
A CT scan is much more revealing than an xray, IMHO.
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Re: Following sinus surgery....

hi,
I had a major nasal/sinus operation due to a septum so deviated it looked like crumpled up paper. I spent maybe 3 days in the hospital afterwards, then the full recovery was about 6 - 8 weeks. i kept going back to the ENTs in the hospital during the night shift as they said they could help suction out some of the gunk that had settled in some of the sinuses which was a huge help. Previously I'd experienced near constant sinus infections for a decade or more, which my GP treated only with antibiotics - so much that anitbiotics are nearly ineffective on me now. it wasn't until a lot of pleading got me into a proper ENT who said the only long term solution was surgery. Since healing up from the surgery I maybe have one sinus infection per year, and I take car of that with a nasal irrigation (a la neti-pot) of saline and a capful of hydrogen peroxide, which tends to burn a bit but really helps clear out the gunk. This is probably not recommended but for me it works. As always, your results may vary.

 
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Re: Following sinus surgery....

Why not me - thank you for sharing your experiences with me. I'm thinking maybe I haven't left enough time to feel any improvement after my operation? The fact that worries me most is that when I left the hospital I felt great, my face was very sore but my headache had gone. I didn't even need my sunglasses on in daylight for the first time in many months!

After a couple of days this soon changed back to normal, even slightly worse - my ears are blocked, the pressure around my eyes in greater than ever and I have an eye infection. This is making me so miserable!

How did you go about getting them to suck out the gunk? I'm trying to arrange a doctors appointment tomorrow and I'm not leaving there until they do something!

It was very similar for me with my doctor just trying to get rid of me. Eventually got to see the ent who suggested surgery.

I just can't see a light at the end of the tunnel, this has gone on for the majority of my life - I really need some hope that there will be an end to this at some point?

Machoen - Thank you very much for all your advice and help. Yesterday I attempted the sinus flooding, I followed your steps very closely the only difference being I could only get 6% hydrogen peroxide so I diluted the mixture by around 1 to 50. To be honest the mixture was very weak, I was very careful for my first time and did not get any stinging.

For around 15 minutes I forced the liquid into my nostril, with my head on the bottom of the bath. I'm still not convinced I have done it properly as I really couldn't get a good seal around my nostril it was just coming back out again. Should I be able to feel the liquid going into my sinuses?

When I lifted my head back up and let the liquid run out it did have some blood and mucus in it but I would say it was alot.

Immediately after I did feel slightly better, but didn't notice much difference to be honest. Today has been quite bad with an occasional sharp pain in my face (I haven't has this before) i did notice that cold feeling coming on. I have also had some drainage, maybe 2 or 3 drops of clear liquid randomly came out of out of my nose.

Any idea where I might be going wrong or what I could try differently? When should I try the flooding again? I use saline everyday just to keep everything clean...

Thanks again.

Dave

 
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Re: Following sinus surgery....

Davem:

If I'm reading your posts correctly, you had sinus surgery about 3 weeks ago. If that is the case, please STOP flooding your sinuses with hydrogen peroxide immediately before you do permanent damage to the tissue in your nose. It takes at least 3 months for those tissues to heal correctly and introducing something as caustic as hydrogen peroxide can delay healing and even damage the tissue permanently.

Unfortunately, it sounds like your surgeon doesn't follow the post-surgical debridement (removal of scabs and mucus) process that is recommended by the American Academy of Otolaryngology (see below) so you may want to see another ENT who actually specializes in sinus surgery to get a second opinion.

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"It is the position of the Academy that post-operative debridement will lead to less likelihood of post-operative recurrence of sinus disease. This is particularly the case in recurrent/persistent bacterial infections"
I'm sorry your experience hasn't been great but, as I said, it takes time for the tissues of the sinuses to heal after surgery. Generally saline irrigation and a steroid nasal spray are recommended at this point in the process (once your doctor has checked to see your healing progress).

If you'll let me know where you live I'll try to track down a surgeon near you who is truly a specialist in treating sinus disease (and not an office-based general ENT).

 
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Re: Following sinus surgery...

Gcsjr,

Thank you very much for your reply, the 1 and only time I tried the hydrogen peroxide mix I diluted it to around 1/50 so it was a very weak mixture, it was more of a salt water solution to be honest. I will be takin your advice and won't be doing it again. Well at least until I have fully recovered from the op.

That's correct, I don't think the surgeon even tho he has an excellent reptuation is any good. I should have an appointment 4 weeks after the op (this would be next Tuesday but his secretary messed it up and sent me an appointment for September and she doesent know how to change it! (Words cannot explain how much this frustrates me)

Yesterday I was in alot of pain and feeling awful so after walking into the Ent dept, and my local doctors where I was turned away I went to the accident and emergency centre at my local hospital. There they gave me some strong antibiotics and told me I would have a call from their Ent doctor who would see me sometime soon. Guess what NO call!

So you think this could be part of the healing process? It is so painful and uncomfortable. I struggle through every day at work and just sit in my house for the rest of the time waiting for this to go away. I'm normally a very active person.

That would be great if you can help in any way? Although I do live in the UK, Bristol area. Obviously I willing to travel to see a professional who can help me.

Thanks again all you guys help is greatly appreciated.

 
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Davem-

The pain is not normal at this point. Generally 4 weeks after surgery you should be feeling much better so I understand your concern and frustration.

I don't have a specific doctor to recommend in the U.K., but your best bet would be to find a doctor who teaches at a medical school and specializes in the treatment of sinus disease. I'll do some checking to see if I can find a doctor who fits that description.

 
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OK, that's great thankyou very much. I'm going to do everything I can this week to get someone who knows what they are doing to have a look at me. I am waiting for a call from a Ent clinic who the emergency centre contacted. Hopefully something may come of that.

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... I'm going to do everything I can this week to get someone who knows what they are doing to have a look at me. ...
Hi Dave. Just wanted to know how you were doing. Were you able to get an appointment?

I see that you tried the peroxide sinus flooding one time and have decided to not do it any more. I don't know if peroxide sinus floodings will help you or harm you. I only know that it has permanently cured my own decades-long struggle with repeated sinus/nasal infections.

I believe that repeat sinus floodings with peroxide protected my infection-damaged nasal membranes from becoming reinfected until the wounds in my nasal membranes healed. My nasal membranes were then resistant to harmful bacteria and the threat of reinfection was greatly reduced. Now, after decades of multiple sinus infections, I have gone over ten years with another sinus infection.

It is similar to the concept of protecting a cut on one's finger with an antibacterial ointment. In fact, if I get a cut, anywhere, I wash the wound with soap and water, and then cleanse it with anti-bacterial 3% hydrogen peroxide and then use a triple antibiotic ointment to further protect the wound from infecting.

Supppose one gets a wound or injury in ones nasal membranes, or sinuses, possibly as a result of a bacterial infection. It makes sense to me to treat that sinus or nasal wound with an antibacterial, to keep the cut or wound from reinfecting.

I documented my experience with 3% hydrogen peroxide, thoroughly, with the hopes that, under proper medical supervision, it could help others as much as it helped me.

I went through nasty sinus misery for decades and I know how miserable it can be.

Best regards. I hope that you are able to rid yourself of your sinus problems.
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Hi Machaon,

Thank you for your reply, after a lot of phone calls and visits to different health centres and hospitals I finely got an appointment at the emergency ent centre which I went to yesterday. Unfortunately they couldn't really do much apart from arrange for me to have a CT scan and make an appointment for me to see my surgeon.

Previous to this I did see a doctor who gave me some co-amoxiclav antibiotics which I have been taken for the past 7 days. I haven't seen any improvements from this. Only the horrible side affects.

The problem still continues, I read a lot about people having problems with their nose being blocked and that causing their sinuses to become blocked. Im really confused by this as I have never really had any problems with my nose, it's always clear never have any discharge and I can breath perfectly. My case seems to be different from others I read about. My main symptom is the pain around my my eyes, brain fog, blurred vision, eye infections, headaches, and associated ear pressure. It's very much like a ballon blown up inside my head and pushing against things causing massive discomfort.

Machaon; I completely agree with you and your method of sinus flooding, I tried it around 2 - 3 weeks ago and did see a very slight improvement, maybe if I was to continue doing it things will get better? It was just the comments from other forum members telling me it's too soon after the operation to do the sinus flooding that put me off.

I have an appointment with a recommended osteopath on Monday to see if there is anything they can do to help. So fingers crossed, I'm doing everything I can, I just hope something will get better soon. I can't imagine living like this much longer.

Thanks again
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It makes sense to me to treat that sinus or nasal wound with an antibacterial, to keep the cut or wound from reinfecting.
Machaon, it may make sense to you, but it runs counter to scientific evidence on the effect of hydrogen peroxide, and it's probably not a good idea for anyone to introduce a known irritant to their sinuses just 2 weeks after surgery when healing takes several weeks.

Here's what the NY Times says about the effectiveness of hydrogen peroxide:
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Irrigating with hydrogen peroxide may (or may not) be helpful at some point, but introducing a caustic chemical that inflames skin cells and increase the healing time this soon after surgery isn't something that anyone but davem's doctor should be recommending.

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I hope you healed up well - did you? My adult son had sinus surgery a little over a week ago, and still has quite a bit of pain behind his nose and in his ears. Does that sound right? He had so many different symptoms and was wondering how common they were. He had such light sensitivity that he always wears sunglasses - even indoors, ear pain, constant head aches and the worse thing was dizziness to the point of always feeling the need to lay down. Has anyone been diagnosed with candida which can cause sinus problems also? My son also can't taste or smell anything right now - is that normal?

 
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Machaon, it may make sense to you, but it runs counter to scientific evidence on the effect of hydrogen peroxide, and it's probably not a good idea for anyone to introduce a known irritant to their sinuses just 2 weeks after surgery when healing takes several weeks.
Thanks for expressing your viewpoint, opposing using hydrogen peroxide. As I have said many times, I don't know whether sinus floodings with peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt would help someone else or harm them.

I've been using 3% hydrogen peroxide undiluted for decades to brush my teeth. I seldom get cavities and never have gum disease. I also use it successfully to treat insect bites. But, the most important, most wonderful use of "diluted" hydrogen peroxide was when I used it to cure my decades-long problem with repeated sinus infections. Flooding my sinuses with diluted hydrogen peroxide cured decades of miserable, painful, expensive, horrible sinus infections. I was so excited about this discovery that I spent many, many hours documenting exactly what I had learned in the hopes that it could also help others.

So..... you may be correct about my discovery running contrary to someone else's "scientific evidence", but I am correct about the wonderful results of using hydrogen peroxide to cure and stop my chronic sinus infections.

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researchers have found that hydrogen peroxide has little ability to reduce bacteria in wounds and can actually inflame healthy skin cells that surround a cut or a scrape, increasing the amount of time wounds take to heal.
First of all, I distrust almost everything being printed in newspapers these days. Their motivation is to sell newspapers not to establish scientific fact.

On the other hand, my use for hydrogen peroxide was in using it's wonderful antiseptic capabilities. By flooding my sinuses/nasal passages with diluted 3% peroxide, baking soda and kosher salt, I was "preventing the growth of disease-causing microorganisms" around the existing wounds, sores, and damaged areas. A perfect use, IMHO.

I have posted over and over again that the floodings don't use peroxide to kill an existing infection, but to prevent re-infection. My documentation clearly states that I thought that the flooding was successful because I used it in conjunction with an antibiotic.

So, in effect, you could be right and I could be right. Regardless of right or wrong, it worked and I no longer have to live with miserable, painful, dibilitating, chronic sinus infections.

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Irrigating with hydrogen peroxide may (or may not) be helpful at some point, but introducing a caustic chemical that inflames skin cells and increase the healing time this soon after surgery isn't something that anyone but davem's doctor should be recommending.
At least we agree on this point. Sinus floodings with peroxide should only be done under the supervision and approval of a medical professional. I admit that I acted recklessly when I experimented with flooding my sinuses with diluted hydrogen peroxide. It was not a smart thing for me to do. Buts...... I had painful, stuffed up, nasty sinuses and I wanted to kill whatever was causing my misery. I am damn lucky that I did not make things worse. I feel like I hit the sinus infection lottery by ending my decades long miserable sinus infection struggle.

Thanks for bringing up an opposing view. I want anyone who is interested in sinus floodings with peroxide to act responsibly.

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