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Old 07-31-2007, 05:20 PM   #1
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Natural sleep remedies

My 6 year old D has a bad sleep prob been on medication on what can be prescribed for a child her age - no affect whatso ever.
Im waiting to see a specialist and exhausted Docs .Just wondered if there is any natural sleep remedy i have missed or a sleeping aid .( just ordered a machine thingy that plays low soothing sounds!).
Ive tried the usual, lavender , essential oils , fish oils .Medication wise had everything a 6 year old can including melatonin highest dose - no effect.
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Old 07-31-2007, 05:22 PM   #2
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Re: Taking Melatonin but Still Waking up

Do you find melatonin works ?
Reson being my D age 6 is on 9mg ( 3 tablets ) no affect.

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Old 07-31-2007, 09:02 PM   #3
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Re: Taking Melatonin but Still Waking up

Make sure your daughter is checked out by a specialist before treating it OTC with natural remedies. CHildren at that age should sleep and sleep well. WHen they do not, they have an issue.. whether it is enlarged adnoids or tonsils.. something is causing sleep issues.

Please go to an ENT or sleep specialist and get your child checked first.

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Old 07-31-2007, 09:07 PM   #4
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Re: Natural sleep remedies

[url]http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=514963[/url]

Look at this post and look to the sleep hygiene. I really think that your child has a sleep disorder.. mostlikely obstructive sleep apnea. When the natural stuff doesn't help at all and all the other signs are there.. well you just have to wait to get to your specialist.

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Re: Natural sleep remedies

Im on a waiting list to see a specialist all natural remedies ive tried dont work also prescription dont work.Ive tried everything.

 
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Re: Natural sleep remedies

Have faith and if you are not on a waiting list to see and ENT as well as a sleep specialist. Get on it as well. I know when I lived in England it was frustrating to have to wait 3-6 months to see a specialist. Unfortunately if it is sleep apnea then there is not much you can do until you get a CPAP or a T&A.

However have they tried zrytec, nasonex, and decongestants on a daily basis with your child? If it is OSA and linked to allergy induced enlargement of the T&A's then the anti-histamine may help, but not cure the issue.

It wouldn't hurt to try OTC benedryl for a 14 day stretch and see if there is a gradual improvement. Anti-histamines take about two weeks to hit peek levels in your system.
If the anti-histamines seems to do some good get an appointment for an allergist as well.
Routine medication and allergy shots can do wonders.

I feel for you, because I was there with my son.. not to long ago. Since getting his CPAP at the end of January.. well he has grown almost three inches and has improved health, behaviour, and sleep routines. He went from sleeping eight hours with a nap and waking every two hours of his sleep periods.. to sleeping ten hours straight at night and taking a nap. It was a definite shocker to my system and I am glad I ignored the pediatricians and went over their heads to my sleep specialist.

How much longer do you have to wait? Keep us posted and we will help where we can.

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Re: Natural sleep remedies

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How much longer do you have to wait? Keep us posted and we will help where we can.

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Hi ive been on it a few months though there is nothing wrong with her adenoids nor tonsils etc
.She does have ADHD but her sleep problem has been since birth its not any medication she has been on she has been prescribed vallergan phenergan , risperedil, and melatonin.
I went into boots to look at homeopathy ( natural) remedies but ben advised not to use ?.Tried IQ , fish oils ,rescue remedy health suppliments , slumbermilk , Lavender various aromatheripy oils , sleep techniques , lighting everything you name it tried it but after nearly 7 years of no sleep im fed up.
The waithing lists in the UK are a joke !

 
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Re: Natural sleep remedies

Sleep apnea can be diagnosed as early as six months of age and often manifests in preschoolers.. about the age of 2. The big sign for it in children is waking consistantly more than once a night after the age of two and mouth breathing/snoring at night. Before the age of two, sleep schedules are irradic, due to the need for nocturanl feedings.

When was your child diagnosed with ADHD? ADHD is the most common misdiagnosis for a sleep deprived child suffering from sleep apnea. The ADHD medication often aggravates the sleep condition making things worse not better. I truely send you my best wishes and hope that you get into see the specialist soon.

Can you not call and impress upon them the severity of your situation? I would be asking about cancellations everyday and the like. But, I am not sure how and if this would help. Could you possibly get into a private hospital instead? Even if it was just for an initial consultation? If you get a confirmation that a sleep study is needed from a private MD could you then use it to get on the list for a sleep study? I bet the waiting list for a sleep study is shorter.

Sincerely,
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P.S. If your child is diagnosed with sleep apnea. The first thing they will do is insist on a tonsillectomy and adnoidectomy.
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Old 08-01-2007, 08:27 AM   #9
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Re: Natural sleep remedies

Hi,
we have gone private but cant go private with this prob as its already ongoing ( part of the private insurance clause).She has been ADHD for 3 years now .I know medication can cause sleep probs but usually any one opf the prescription meds help sort the sleep prob out - they havnt.
I have not had a nights sleep since she were born even as i tiny baby she did not sleep like most do nor have naps through the day when she was a toddler.
I cant impress enough to docs the problem but its a case with the NHS waiting lists.................
I know i have to travel to see a specialist miles away at another hospital and i am just waiting for the letter.
Last night it was 1am and i grabbed a few hours til 6am but on a daily basis its exhausting especially since we both work.

 
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Re: Natural sleep remedies

Hey,

Is vallergan the correct spelling? Or is the drug valergen? There is a difference.. one vallergan isn't recognized in my pharmacological data base and two.. if it is valergen it is an estrogen hormone replacement and strickly warned against being give to prepubescent girls.

Phenergan is easy.. it is just a mild anti-histamine. However the best anti-histamine for a child is zyrtec as know as citrizine generically I believe.

Now is the risperedil for the ADHD? Is it actually spelled, Risperdal? Risperedil doesn't show up in my database either.

For a fact: Risperdal should be used with extreme caution in CHILDREN; safety and effectiveness in children have not been confirmed by any medical testing.

If it is well Risperdal was made and has been determined to be used for: Treating schizophrenia or bipolar mania. ADHD is not a recommended condition for this medication.

All medicines may cause side effects of Risperdal the most COMMON side effects that seem to be applying in a persist manner are:
Agitation; anxiety, difficulty concentrating, nervousness, sleeplessness.
These symptoms would indicate seeing your MD and getting a change in medication.

I am worried about the medicine prescribed to your daughter. The synthetic hormone alone can cause serious physical developemental issues alone. Hopefully i am wrong, but I would question the medications. Maybe check with the pharmacist about what the medications should be used for..

ADHD is often treated using conventional prescription medications such as stimulants like Ritalin, Adderall and Concerta, as well as the non-stimulant drug Strattera. These are the safest and most common to be used in children.

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Old 08-01-2007, 10:45 AM   #11
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Hey,

Is vallergan the correct spelling?
Its vallergan( syrup) -prescribed as a sedative in children
Resperadone ( reperdal) - can be prescribed as a sedative in children.
Phenergan - the same prescribed as sedative.

The above were tried a number of years ago and not all at once.I dont like having to use any form of drugs unless necessary.

All the above depending on dosage and form are used as sedatives in young children.


She is on Concerta for ADHD .Again ADHD is a much misunderstood condition.
The sleep prob has always been there also her other symptoms.

 
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Re: Natural sleep remedies

Understood on the medications and the fact that ADHD is a hard condition to get accepted and treated in the manner it deserves.

Humm.. in addition to the Concerta you should see about trying zrytec as well. It is a 24 hour anti-histamine that works against everything pollutants, allergens, inflammation.. it also is a sedative so taking it right before bed time will be beneficial.

Also have you tried diet control.. elimination of all unnatural sugars? I am sure you have, I am just asking to get a slightly broader picture. I can not give my son anything that has complex sugars or he is wired for days. Birthday parties are rough to recover from.

Also my husband and mother swear by chamomile tea as a relaxant and sedative before sleep. My mom has ADHD and works with special needs children. Autism and the like.. she is great at it. She used to do tea parties with me.. it was special and relaxing when i was young and doing the insomnia thing as a result of sleep apnea. We would sit down an hour before bed with warm tea milk and a touch of honey. We would talk about our days and relax.. maybe pick some new words out of the dictionary or look up something neat in the encyclopedia. Then I would lay down and relax. My mom would drop off like a rock. I always envied that.. still do.

My husband tried melatonin and valerian (sp?) root extract too. He didn't have near the good response as with the chamomile tea.

I will keep your daughter in mind and send my luck and best wishes on reaching the top of the list soon.

Sincerely,
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:07 PM   #13
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Re: Natural sleep remedies

never tried chamomile tea i will buy some and give it a go.
zrytec ive never heard of but if it's medication then i wait for docs to come up with that.
Tried the addative , preservative free diet she was on it for about 2 years - made no difference to be honest.
Valarian root here is not allowed for children so i wont try it.
Thanks for your help though i will go on a mission to locate some chamoile tea tomorrow !

 
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