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Old 09-05-2007, 09:25 AM   #1
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Hearing very loud noises while dreaming/dozing off

I am sure everyone has this once in a while, and would appreciate a confirmation...


I use to hear classical music or a very complex musical composition, like classical orchestra that I hardly have an interest in ( nothing I have heard in real life) right when dozing off, yet still somewhat conscious since I was a young child and until my late 20's...

This has not happen for a few years, yet now, a few times a year or monthly, I will be dreaming and then all of a sudden I can hear, such as a cat meowing, someone calling out ( whistling or laughing) not related to the dream and would wake me up because its feels like its right by my ear very loud and clear alike when I would hear the complex music when I was young...


Usually I can hear things related to the dream so I am not concern or awake, and its not loud when its theme-related sounds, unlike these non-theme related, random sounds happening in while dreaming...


Its so loud that I woke up frightened, and it happened twice in one night the other day...

Is this consider to be some sort of sleep psychosis? I have no real-life psychosis or delusional symptoms so I find it very weird, yet sleep and dreams in itself is stranger then fiction!

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Re: Hearing very loud noises while dreaming/dozing off

Hello Nexis,

I recognize you from the bp boards...hope you don't mind my dropping in here. I have sleep apnea so I touch base with the posters here every once in awhile...but as you may know, my primary issues are elevated pressures which I believe in large part are side effect of a sleep disorder that wasn't diagnosed until later in life.

Regarding your post...I haven't come across anything like this in the reading I've done on sleep disorders...that's not to say it isn't sleep medicine related...I'm just saying I haven't come across it but then I haven't done much reading lately on sleep problems.

However, and you'll find I've always got a "however", grin. I have read about people who have heightened sensitivities to sounds, which to me is what you're describing. I can't remember WHY they have these sensitivities...but I do recall reading of people who've had them...much of my reading has had to do with blood pressure, diets, electrolyte imbalances, and things of this nature so I suspect it was when I was reading about these issues I came across the info.

Sorry I can't be of more help...if I come across it again, I'll try to "look" you up.

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Re: Hearing very loud noises while dreaming/dozing off

Bethsheba,

Thanks again for hopping on this thread; its interesting because when I use to have this problem, I remember thinking if I had sleep apnea because I would be tired, dizzy and have a sense of emergency/anxiety when I would awake or whilst asleep...

I went to two studies; no sleep apnea, YET people noticed that I didnt look well at certain times of the day - I thought it was my blood pressure since it was always on the lower end then most people...

As you know I got the BP test and it was ok, yet its lower than average...

I realized that for many years my nose would be stuffy, and I could breathe at times yet thought everyone goes through it...


I got fed up and went to the ENT and got laser surgery for my nose... I slept better AND now come to think of it, all the noise/hallucinations sensitivity went away after I had this surgery...


Now that I feel dizzy and tired again, I used my nasal sprays yesterday and felt better this morning... I think its the nasal obstruction; i am thinking about getting surgery again before I faint!


I wonder if sleep doctors can miss this (nasal obstruction) yet not sleep apnea of the mouth??? Because how would the doctors know you cannot breathe through your nose if you are only breathing through your mouth at night???

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Re: Hearing very loud noises while dreaming/dozing off

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...I went to two studies; no sleep apnea, YET people noticed that I didnt look well at certain times of the day - I thought it was my blood pressure since it was always on the lower end then most people...
FYI, some people have apnea that comes and goes and doesn't always show up on one or two studies.

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As you know I got the BP test and it was ok, yet its lower than average...
Would this mean a reduced SaO2 level? If your blood pressure isn't high enough, I don't think enough oxygen would be getting to vital organs. If so, it might account for fatigue, dizziness, and perhaps change in sensitivity.

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I realized that for many years my nose would be stuffy, and I could breathe at times yet thought everyone goes through it...
I know what you mean. I think I was always a mouth breather...didn't know you could or were supposed to breath through your mouth until I was in my late 30s/early 40s.

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I got fed up and went to the ENT and got laser surgery for my nose... I slept better AND now come to think of it, all the noise/hallucinations sensitivity went away after I had this surgery...
Interesting!

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Now that I feel dizzy and tired again, I used my nasal sprays yesterday and felt better this morning... I think its the nasal obstruction; i am thinking about getting surgery again before I faint!
Do you have allergies? If so, would addressing those help?

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...I wonder if sleep doctors can miss this (nasal obstruction) yet not sleep apnea of the mouth??? Because how would the doctors know you cannot breathe through your nose if you are only breathing through your mouth at night???
I'm sure they can miss nasal obstruction...sleep medicine is a relatively new science so doctors (and lay people, psychologists for instance, if I understand it correctly) can be board certified in sleep medicine. For this reason our sleep specialists may have many different backgrounds... pulmonary, cardiology, neurology, ent, psychiatry... you get the idea.

I didn't have obvious ent issues with my apnea, my board certified sleep specialist was a pulmonary doctor and I was lucky, because my issues tend to be more asthma/allergy related. But if you're having obstruction issues, perhaps a sleep specialist who is an ent would be more helpful to you.

mgkbrook, hope I have her name right here, has a lot of personal and family experience with ent concerns so if you have questions regarding surgeries or other sleep related issues, she might be someone to touch base with on this board. I'm sure there are others, but I haven't been reading/posting here regularly.

Thanks for getting back to me. Isn't all this learning fun, ?

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Bethsheba,

Thank you very very much for your insightful response! I feel so better with all of your knowledge passed down... I swear I never even had a convo like this with any of my doctors for my sleep issues (mainly daily fatigue from insomnia/ DSPS/ nasal obstruction)...

Its very true what you said the sleep doctors didn't suggest; even though I use to be a very loud snorer until my mid twenties, no one said oh you have sleep apnea - they didn't even have sleep studies then like we do now... I noticed that I did stop snoring after I had my sinus surgery as well...


Alike you, because I rarely could see a doctor when younger, I thought it was normal to just breathe through our mouth; thankfully now that I have a Government insurance/ Socialized medical insurance, I can go when I want, and I am very fortunate I found this board and people like you, though anonymous, are reaching out to people around the world.

Its also motivating that I can access information from other medical recipients like yourself; its also comforting to know there's others who have similar experiences, and some of these things can be a bit awkward to discuss with people openly...


Thank you also for MKbrooks lead;I did see their post here and there, and hopefully when the time comes they can answer my questions regarding ENT...

 
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Re: Hearing very loud noises while dreaming/dozing off

Will give ENT advice.. after lunch.

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Re: Hearing very loud noises while dreaming/dozing off

Hi,

I get that too. I used to have very vivid hypnogogic hallucinations when I was younger and I believe this is just a much milder form. I used to get out of bed to see what fell or blew up, LOL! Now I know it is just a very early onset dream and ignore it.

 
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Re: Hearing very loud noises while dreaming/dozing off

Bethsheba knows I bite if I see my name stuck here or there.. so this is my take on a few of your posts.

I use to hear classical music or a very complex musical composition, like classical orchestra that I hardly have an interest in ( nothing I have heard in real life) right when dozing off, yet still somewhat conscious since I was a young child and until my late 20's...
How long did you sleep a night as a child? Did you have difficulty sleeping going to sleep? Do you remember being a heavy dreamer? Ever sleep walk or talk?

There have been studies done where children to adults were continual prodded awake during REM sleep stages and various other stages during sleep to determine the overall effect on the in individuals. These are sleep deprivation studies.. from these they have learned:
Visual and auditory experiences minds conjure primarily in REM. In patients that are awakened during REM there are reports of graphic dream interference (auditory and/or visual)... this awakening creates dream overlays that seem vivid because state of arousal at the time of waking. The intensity of the overlay and duration of the transition directly corresponded to the level of sleep deprivation. What you describe makes me think of premature wakening in the REM state.

REM is important and may be essential for brain restoration. Studies show humans spend more time in REM after learning difficult material and interfering with REM can disrupt memory for newly learned information. This is where the staying up all night before exam may alter memory theories come from. Do we need to dream? YES! What have sleep deprivation studies shown? Subjects awoke to prevent REM become anxious, testy, and have difficulty concentrating. Deprived of REM causes the patient to rebound when left alone to sleep this rebound involves double REM cycling. When you can not rebound.. but are continually prodded by something.. in my families case sleep apnea.. what happens? Depends more commonly you manifest physical symptoms and more dramatic hallucinations.. SLEEP TALKING and walking and Night Terrors are other symptoms that occur most often in the severely sleep deprived. Most of these events occur during delta sleep, these occurrences are more common in children, because children [boys have higher incidents than girls] require more REM than adults. Night terrors are different from nightmare and can not be recalled. What you do when you are sleep walking or talking you think of as a dream and may only recall some or none of.. my scariest sleep walking incident was when I went out of the house and ran in the horse pasture with the horses.. my parents caught me.. but I was a mess and scared. Sleep deprivation is very common and inadequate sleep is a national epidemic 1/3 to1/2 of us do not get the sleep we need. Some it is choice and lifestyle others a sleep disorder or medical problem. If you don't get enough sleep it makes it more difficult to pay attention, reaction time slows, productivity declines, and affect those in high risk. Complications can be from tired mom's driving their kids of the road, commuters in danger of getting pancaked by a tired semi, to the Three Mile Island nuclear accident.

We must take sleep seriously and you do.. the question is what is causing your issue?

This has not happen for a few years, yet now, a few times a year or monthly, I will be dreaming and then all of a sudden I can hear, such as a cat meowing, someone calling out ( whistling or laughing) not related to the dream and would wake me up because its feels like its right by my ear very loud and clear alike when I would hear the complex music when I was young...I realized that for many years my nose would be stuffy, and I could breathe at times yet thought everyone goes through it...

So how is your sleep now.. how much you getting a night.. others around you? Do you have good sleep hygiene? Have you tried blocking out external noise interference with white noise? [Box fan to the jet engine air purifiers?]

I got fed up and went to the ENT and got laser surgery for my nose... I slept better AND now come to think of it, all the noise/hallucinations sensitivity went away after I had this surgery...

This seems to lead me to believe that the disturbances to your quality of sleep may be related to your sinuses and allergies. Inability to breathe freely through the nose and transitions from intermitent nasal breathing to mouth breathing can cause interruptions in your sleep cycle with out a complete wakening.

Now that I feel dizzy and tired again, I used my nasal sprays yesterday and felt better this morning... I think its the nasal obstruction; i am thinking about getting surgery again before I faint!

Have you tried an anticholenergic spelling is off I am sure.. need to look mine up. Ponaris Nasal Oil? These may help you if you use them before bed.

I wonder if sleep doctors can miss this (nasal obstruction) yet not sleep apnea of the mouth??? Because how would the doctors know you cannot breathe through your nose if you are only breathing through your mouth at night???

It is difficult to see into the sinus cavity with just a visual inspection.. the ENT's use special scops and CT scans and MRI's. If it is inflamed membranes the nasal sparay, and oil regime may be the trick otherwise you may have a pollump that needs removing and the like.. When was the last time you were evaluated by an ENT? It wouldn't hurt to go and see one about your congestion and sleep issues if you have covered the allergy route completely. Otherwise they will send you to an allergist.

I will throw out some more later.. but I have an appointment.

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...I feel so better with all of your knowledge passed down... I swear I never even had a convo like this with any of my doctors for my sleep issues (mainly daily fatigue from insomnia/ DSPS/ nasal obstruction)...
Although my sleep doctors threw a few carrots my way (told me about the connections of sleep apnea to frequent nocturnal bathroom trips and sleep apnea and acid reflux), the majority of my knowlege came from others with similar experiences and by reading...yes, it is amazing what people know if you encourage them to tell you. I think reading these boards should be a requirement for a physician seeking certification!

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... even though I use to be a very loud snorer until my mid twenties, no one said oh you have sleep apnea - they didn't even have sleep studies then like we do now... I noticed that I did stop snoring after I had my sinus surgery as well...
I know what your mean about sleep studies...and sleep apnea. Interestingly enough, an immediate family member of mine was diagnosed with sleep apnea years and years ago (through the University Hospital) but at that time no one even suggested other family members be screened for the condition. It was at least 20 years after that person's diagnosis that another family member suggested I might have apnea. Oh, and just for your info, you don't have to snore to have sleep apnea.

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...I am very fortunate I found this board and people like you, though anonymous, are reaching out to people around the world.
Yes, we are very fortunate to have this board and to have each other! I've heard said that aging is "the great equalizer" as it happens to everyone (if they're "lucky") no matter what gender, race, socioeconomic background, etc...but I think too, that this board is a "great equalizer" because we have access to personal health experiences and knowledge world wide and we can personally benefit from this experience and this knowledge.

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...its also comforting to know there's others who have similar experiences, and some of these things can be a bit awkward to discuss with people openly..
The support and the knowledge of the people here has kept my sanity...the people here know and understand without an explantion.

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Thank you also for MKbrooks lead;...
You're very welcome...although, knowing mkg, she'd find you without my help!

I need to go back and read some of the posts here, but I'll be in touch.

Pleasant dreams!

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Re: Hearing very loud noises while dreaming/dozing off

Susan,

Does that happen every night? Or just once in awhile? I'm just curious as I can't imagine being wakened from a perfectly good dream, grin!

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Hi MG,

So good to know you're still here and still giving me things to think about...it's past my bedtime so I'm just going to address one thing here, and then tomorrow I'll reread your post because, as usual, it's packed full of info.

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... Some it is choice and lifestyle others a sleep disorder or medical problem. If you don't get enough sleep it makes it more difficult to pay attention, reaction time slows, productivity declines, and affect those in high risk...
Although choice, lifestyle, sleep disorder, and medical problems may be issues impacting sleep, I believe medication should be listed here also. But that's a topic in itself.

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This seems to lead me to believe that the disturbances to your quality of sleep may be related to your sinuses and allergies. Inability to breathe freely through the nose and transitions from intermitent nasal breathing to mouth breathing can cause interruptions in your sleep cycle with out a complete wakening.
Yes, I think so, too....but again, we're talking from experience not expertise, .

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Have you tried an anticholenergic spelling is off I am sure.. need to look mine up. Ponaris Nasal Oil?
Forgive me for butting in, MG, but given the side effects I've experienced on minimal doses of "harmless" medication I'm really leary of nasal sprays...some people have success using a simple saline solution in a Netti pot or an irrigation bottle to flush out their sinuses...I kind of chuckled when I read the post on sleepiness and rain. Seems the locals in the tropics (I forget where the poster was from) used a similar treatment---bathing in the sea.

Am tired so will check back with you later.

Good night!

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Hi Bethsheba,

Sorry my post wasn't very clear. It only happens a couple times a month and it is always right when I am falling asleep, which is so annoying. I'll just about be asleep amd KABOOM!

 
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Hi Bethsheba,

Sorry my post wasn't very clear. It only happens a couple times a month and it is always right when I am falling asleep, which is so annoying. I'll just about be asleep amd KABOOM!


SusanMiles,

This use to happen to me right when I was falling asleep, and now few times a year...

When I was younger especially in junior highschool (decades ago!), it would happen almost a few times a month..

Yet has MKbrooks pointed out, I think I was severely stressed from sleep depravation, and I would be very vivid dreamer to make up for all the lack of sleep the night before...

Also, there was a dream I was walking along the ocean, and all of a sudden, the military helicopters were coming after me. I tend to have conspiracy dreams so I thought oh well whilst dreaming.. I then awoke, and there were actual helicopters that were flying very low around the residential area...

So this could be also an indication that I am not in a deep seated sleep, since this happened quite often before I sought my surgery for my nose for obstruction...


Could you describe exactly what you experience? I am curious to know others similar experience...


Nexis

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The active ingredient in Ipratropium Bromide Nasal Solution 0.03% (Nasal Spray) is ipratropium bromide monohydrate. It is an anticholinergic agent.
Absorption Less than 20% gets absorbed into the nasal membranes.. blood concentrations are minimal. Ipratropium bromide is poorly absorbed into the systemic circulation following nasal administration (2-3%). Half life is about 1.6 hours. You can administer this spray every 4 hours.. I may have done it every six to eight hours on my bad days. I applied it after a thorough saline rinse and application of my nasonex. My husband like Astelin instead.. but this gave him nasty side effects. Now he uses the anticholenergic as well.

Side effects and medical interactions:
Ipratropium Bromide Nasal Solution 0.03% (Nasal Spray) (84 mcg/nostril four times a day), had no significant effects on pupillary diameter, heart rate or systolic/diastolic blood pressure.

Adverse events reported by less than 2% of the patients receiving Ipratropium Bromide Nasal Solution 0.03% (Nasal Spray) during the controlled clinical trials or during the open-label follow-up trial, which are potentially related to ipratropium bromide's local effects or systemic anticholinergic effects include: dry mouth/throat, dizziness, ocular irritation, blurred vision, conjunctivitis, hoarseness, cough and taste perversion. Eye complicatiosn are normally the result of direct eye exposure. Care should be taken in only applying a nasal spray in the nasal cavity.

I to believe to try and use saline and nasal oil first.. but occasionally you need more and you have to hop against hope you are not allergic to it or exhibit the side effects. I normally get the side effects.. at least a slurry of the minor annoying ones. The anticholenergic dried me up and I could only use it a day or two.. then I would have to back off and come back to it when next I flared. It is not something I would use daily. Only on those allergens are 10 times the hazardous level for you right now days.

ALWAYS READ THE MEDICINE INSERTS AND SIDE EFFECTS. That way when they occur you are not as surprised.. like Omnicef makes your poop BLOOD RED in color. Well it was a definite shocker when my son had "bloody poop!". He screamed it with all the in-laws visiting, then did a nice bottom streak into the living room telling me directly in case I didn't hear. I was expecting something like this and able to assure the GP's it is the antibiotics.. he isn't bleeding. The embarrassment had to be chalked up to entertainment. The latest four year old wisdom to be publicly shared was when we were in line and a nice old lady said.. you are growing up fast soon you will be as big as your daddy and have children of your own.. My son grab his privates and looked over at the old lady and said "Only if I can protect myself.. can't let anyone hit or kick me here." I was mortified.. came to learn that there had been some fighting at school and another boy had gotten kicked and the male attendant told them you didn't want to do it our you couldn't have babies when you grow up.. Sheesh! I am waiting for the next whammy.

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Sorry my post wasn't very clear. It only happens a couple times a month and it is always right when I am falling asleep, which is so annoying. I'll just about be asleep amd KABOOM!
I know you wrote to Bethsheba.. but I have been doing a lot more reading and researching through the medical journals.. got some new things that made me go.. "Huh? Makes sense. Amazing."

I occasionally have these jolts and spasm when trying to fall asleep.. often I am exhausted and falling asleep supline.. on my back.

Hypnagogic and hypnopompic (visual and auditory) hallucinations frequently
accompany Sleep Paralysis (SP). This was noted back in 1976. More recent research studies in 1996 and 2001 has provided evidence that these hallucinoid experiences fall into three major categories. The first is Intruder experiences involve a numinous sense of a threatening presence followed or accompanied by visual,auditory and tactile
hallucinations. Second Incubus experiences include breathing difficulties, choking or smothering, bodily pressure, typically on the chest, and pain (most common in sleep apnea sufferers). The SP-subjects sometimes interpret these sensations as an assault by the intruder. The Intruder and Incubus factors are moderately positively correlated with one another and with intense fear. The qualitative features of the two types of experiences are coherently interpretable as experiences of immanent threat and assault. These can cause stress added anxiety and amplify innate insomnia tendencies amplifying sleep deprived states and effects.
This is going somewhere i promise.. bear with the ramble. This is where I started doing the HUH, very interesting..


The third factor comprises a variety of spatial, temporal and orientational experiences of the body and include feelings of floating, flying, falling, out-of-body experiences, and autoscopic hallucinations. These occur in the early stages of sleep when a brief rapid transition to REM occurs in a semi-conscious state. BINGO! I have done this jerk, jolt, stuff so many times.. it has become amusing. This factor is somewhat less strongly associated with the first two fear and anxiety amplified factors though all three are positively correlated. The STO is not,however, significantly associated with fear but
rather with blissful and erotic feelings (Humm.. maybe blissful I would like to get the erotic feelings wonder if we can order it subconsciously), which are, nonetheless rare when compared to fear and may be accompanied or followed by fear as well. Regular dreams (four bulk studies in 94, 96, 98, 01) have been found to have variable affective content or sometimes none at all with fear being reported in approximately one-third of dreams. These studies showed SP hallucinations are very strongly (78–98% report fear during SP) associated with fear.

SO I guess it is a natural leap for the researchers to propose that SP with Intruder and Incubus hallucinations and high levels of fear implicates an amygdalar threat activated vigilance system (TAVS). Another factor these guys have picked up on is that SP also bears some resemblance to the tonic immobility (TI) emergency response to predation. Man that is a mouth full. Basically it puts your whole system in the fight or flight stage so you can react if the need arises.. when such occurs you are not going to be able to go back to sleep, your body has put you on auto sentry defense status. More recent studies are being performed to try and link TI as a potential model or cause for SP. Tonic immobility (TI) is a state of profound but temporary paralysis found in many animals as a response to be grabbed, flipped on their back and held down. This is being seen to some degree in SP intense Intruder and Incubus hallucinations which occur more frequently in people sleeping the supine position.

So when do you get these the worst? Sleeping on your back? Also look into sleep paralysis.. Never new of this link and it took some digging.. but wow. It explains a lot.

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