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Old 12-08-2007, 05:49 AM   #1
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eye issues with cpap masks

Does anyone else have eye issues with their masks? I have tried 3 so far. One is respironics full face mask (small), a nasal one from respironics with a chin guard and a full face one from resmed that has the nasal ones attached to it. Every morning I wake up with my eyes lids and face so puffy. Then during the day they usually are so red, like I was crying all night. I tried everything with the humidifier, even with no water in it at all.

I can't tell if the masks are working for me because I get so uncomfortable from the puffiness that it ruins my whole day.

What am I doing wrong, I can't take it any longer?

 
Old 12-08-2007, 08:57 PM   #2
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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

Ah.. this is actually very common when your sinuses dry out and the pressurized air is pushed through the tear ducts.

Now to fix it. Well for dry eyes and irritation saline gel in the nasal cavities after rinsing with a pH balanced Saline solution (Pretz - OTC) and spraying with a nasal oil (Ponaris - OTC). This regime was recommended by my ENT not my sleep specialist. As to the eye irritation. I have a script for Elidel to use on my face and use patonol (prescription) in my eyes.. and gentel tears if the dryness does not abate after a bit.

This may not work for you, but it works for me.

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Old 12-09-2007, 08:56 AM   #3
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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

Wouldn't this be too much moisture in my eyes making them puffy or am I thinking wrong? I wake up and feel like crap. Also the nasal mask I have burns the outside of my nose. The inside is ok. Do you know anything that you can use to stop the irritation on the outside. I can't wait to feel better. Last night I started with my nasal mask, then tore it off. Then I went to the full face one that has the separate nose attachments, I tore that one off. It seemed every time I woke up (which is often), I feel like I don't know whats going on. I think the pressure is too much for my machine. I have an appointment with the sleep study doctor some time this week and I hope he can help me. I want it to work so bad!!

Thanks for your advise. I will have to take that with me to see if he thinks it what I should do and any prescriptions needed, that he will give me.

 
Old 12-09-2007, 06:46 PM   #4
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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

The respiratory therapist recommend vitamin E oil or a deep moisturizing cleansing cream for the raw rubbing. I used to get bad dry eye from the CPAP.. but I started moisturing and running on high humidity and it helped me. I can not gaurantee that it will help you.. but it is worth a shot.

I use Dove deep moisturizing, Elidel, and Metrogel on my face every night.. so I am pretty well greased up. My son used to get the bad rash with his CPAP.. there is a baby facial chap stick that you can buy and use.. or I have found a general petroleum lip balm works just as well. This is all I use with my son.

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Old 12-10-2007, 03:06 AM   #5
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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

When your eyes were really dry, did your eye lids swell? Is that a sign of dry eyes or too much moisture?

 
Old 12-10-2007, 06:39 AM   #6
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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

My eyes would swell feel gummy and irritated.. get red. I also have thyroid issues.. and eye swelling goes hand in hand with that and allergies.. so?? Was it the CPAP or the thyroid, or the allergies. Well treating dry sinuses fixed my issues.. this pointed to the CPAP being the main aggravant. Now when my eyes start the itching swelling mess I know it is thyroid/allergies instead. I have never had eyes swell from to much moisture... only from abrasive rubbing and wiping (crying for instance), allergic response, thyroid autoimmune flare up, or dry eyes where the lack of moisture in the eye causes abrasion between the inner eye lid and eye.

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Old 12-10-2007, 11:04 AM   #7
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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

My husband can really relate to you. He is soooo embarrassed when he first wakes up he dosen't want even me to see him. His eyes bulge and his face is so puffy he dosen't look like the same guy. After a few hours his puffiness gets much better though. I feel sorry for all of you with this problem , especially those of you whose eyes just keep watering. We haven't found anything that has helped and he uses a under the nose piece instead of a full face mask. i will be watching and seeing if anyone else has found a way to help. Good luck

 
Old 12-10-2007, 11:07 AM   #8
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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

mg brook does the thyroid make the eye irration worse more than the cpap?? i remember seeing your post on the thyroid forum as my husband had graves and had it treated and is now hypo. i never thought of that we thought it was all that air blowing at him all night.

 
Old 12-10-2007, 12:06 PM   #9
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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

charpo...it sounds like you are discribing my eyes. I use a full face mask starting at 4 and after 40 minutes it goes up to 11. I never had this problem when 7 was my high number. I replaced the flexible seal and got a new head strap and that seems to help. I have the humidifier set at about 4 and go through more than 1/2 of the water each night...still tired every day.

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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

Lourash.. yes thyroid anitbodies can really make a difference.. facial and eye puffiness is their specialty. My mother has Hashi's and Graves.. morning puffiness is nasty for her as well. I do not think it is the only reason.. but it is definitely aggravated by the CPAP higher pressure air flows.

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Old 12-10-2007, 05:50 PM   #11
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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

Some one who works for respironics told me how to lower the machine to a "9". I want to see if that helps. My doctor is going to get me a nasal spray to use. Hopefully this helps. Did your husband use any nose sprays or anything like that?

 
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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

My husband uses Pretz, Ponaris, Nasonex, Astelin... and I think that is all that goes in the nose. He operates at a pressure of 9.. eye puffing isn't an issue with him. My son operates at a pressure of 7.4 and his main issue is facial chapping with the petroleum lip balm helps.

What was your original pressure? You do not want to go to low or the apnea events will return.

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Old 12-11-2007, 09:27 AM   #13
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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

When I went to the sleep study, he told me I should only be a "9", but the second night with the mask on, he told me he had to raise it to "11" because I was still snoring at the 9. I want to at least try at the 9 until I get used to it. Today when I woke up I felt great, but I used a nasal spray last night also and some kind of vitamin cream around my nose. I hope the 9 works, because it so much more comfortable than the 11 and I didn't wake up with all the awful pressure

 
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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

It really is a difference when you hit 11. I am not sure why mine went all the way up to 11. I was on 7 and still snored...but didn't have any apneas. They said they wanted the snoring to stop completely....so why not try 9? I'll guess that I wake up 2 or 3 times to reset the machine to 4...fall asleep and when it hits 11, I eventually wake again and set it to 4 again. This process may take years.

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Re: eye issues with cpap masks

I am still on 11. I had surgery and they said 7 should work for me.. because I am supressed to 5 apnea events an hour there.. but I still woke every hour. Thus up went the pressure. Those last 5 events an hour hung out until I was back at my pre surgery 11 pressure. However the surgery did cut my events in half.. I went from 60+ an hour to 27 and hour.. so I can not complain. But my CPAP is my eternal friend it seems. My son has started asking us when he can get off of his machine. I am trying not to tell him that he probably is on it for life since his sinus and throat structure are carbon copies of mine.

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