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Old 11-07-2008, 10:06 AM   #1
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Question Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

Had a meeting with a sleep specialist and was told that using a cpap will help lower my blood pressure and cholesterol. Has anybody had any success with this?

I donít have the sleep titration where I am fitted for a cpap until Dec. 1st but if it helps these other issues it will be a good thing.

 
Old 11-07-2008, 02:12 PM   #2
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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

CCJJ,

Ahhhh, it is a good thing. My sleep specialist told me only that my acid reflux and my nocturnal peeing would disappear. He failed to mention that my blood pressure would drop 20+? points. I have since read that government studies suggest an average drop of 10 systolic points but I have no idea of how "current" that info was.

My cpap has tech problems, thus I am without my little machine. Normally I run less than a 120/80 but when I woke up in the middle of the night last night, I was running a 175/110...now I'm running to the cpap store!!

Bethsheba

PS Am med free and want to stay that way!!

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Old 11-07-2008, 08:40 PM   #3
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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

Thanks Bethsheba,
I just found out this afternoon that the sleep center had a cancellation and asked if I was available this next Monday night for the sleep titration part. I was originally scheduled for December 1st and am thrilled I don't have to wait that long.

I am a little nervous about the cpap thing, any words of advice for somebody just starting out this process?

Good luck getting yours fixed or picking out a new one.

Connie

 
Old 11-08-2008, 03:41 AM   #4
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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

CCJJ,

Advice? Well first off, IF you're taking meds for blood pressure I would strongly suggest MONITORING your blood pressure regularly when you use your cpap...I didn't and as a result had problems with overdoses/side effects which I now suspect was due to cpap lowering my blood pressure naturally.

As far as the cpap goes, there are many, many different cpap machines and masks...do not settle for the first one you try (you can always go back to it if that's the one you like best). I suspect the doctors and the insurance companies make money on the ones they "offer", and the ones they "offer" may not be in your best interest.

My insurance company "required" me to rent equipment for 3 months to see if I would use it. Renting for me was very helpful because I HATED the first mask I tried and it took me about 3 months to find a mask that I was comfortable with.

Some other considerations:

Where are you going to put your machine in the bedroom? On a nightstand? On a shelf on your headboard? Will you be travelling with your machine? Size of machine may be a factor.

Do you sleep with someone? Are they "light" sleepers? (If so, they may have apnea, too, LOL). Test the models for noise...

Smart cards come in some machine and montior breathing...these cards can be downloaded in doctors' offices and pressures adjusted according making for good follow up. My machine has a smart card but from what I've read on these boards, I don't think everyone's machine does...I think I'd get a machine with a smart card.

That's all I can think of now but you might find more on my older posts.

Good luck!

Bethsheba

 
Old 11-08-2008, 09:54 AM   #5
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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

CCJJ, I'm just chiming in to say I have my titration next Tuesday
so we are bobbing about in the same boat so to speak. My sleep
doc did not mention blood pressure changes or cholesterol effects.
I am more concerned about the effects on my autonomic nervous
system. Things like hypocapnia for example. But blood pressure
is also regulated by the autonomic nervous system. I am worried
about dysautonomia since I have some peripheral neuropathy
already diagnosed.
Anyway, I'll be interested in the outcome of your CPAP adventures.
Glad Bethsheba is an old hand at CPAP issues. Will be grateful for
her continuing input thru this challenging process.

 
Old 11-09-2008, 06:36 AM   #6
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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

CCJJ,

Forgive me for "hijacking" your post but I'm going to say a few words to LALOV--but anyone is welcome to join in!!

I do so enjoy your posts...they are interesting and challenging, too! But time consuming as much of what you say is new to me and I am constantly researching, !

Glad to know your titration is coming up...I would hope that you will share your experience with us (I didn't have a titration...it was explained why, but I was under the influence of too many med side effects to understand the explanation at the time).

The issue of hypocpnia is new to me...but I from what I understand, by increasing the oxygen levels, other gas levels (like nitric oxide which helps regulate blood pressure) come back into balance, so perhaps, that would pertain to your condition as well.

And LALOV, I don't know if I"m an "old hand" or not, but I consider myself very, very lucky to have made my way into the sleep medicine system as I had no support and little knowledge when trying to do so....thankfully, I had no major "roadblocks" or I would still be having problems, as many on these boards do.

But again, LA, good hearing from you.

Bethsheba

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Old 11-10-2008, 01:37 PM   #7
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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

CCJJ, today's the day. I hope we hear from you how it goes, or
went I should say. I have a followup evaluation a week later, do
you likewise? I'm so curious and even anxious I'm worried that I
won't be able to sleep.
Bethsheba, the best way perhaps to describe hypocapnia is that
it literally means low CO2 (carbon dioxide) in the blood. Since CO2
is acidic lowering it's level brings about alkalinity which has many
adverse effects. It is caused by emotional states like fear, anxiety
or panic causing an undesirable change in breathing as in hyper-
ventilation. Perhaps you have observed in yourself that in some
stressful situations you might hold your breath or breath rapidly.
Electolyte imbalance occurs if this pattern becomes habitual and
it is said to affect around six percent of the population to some
degree. Things like dizziness, brain fog, orthostatic intolerance and
the like can result from this condition.
Perhaps I should change "old hand" to "experienced hand". Would
that help?
I will report back on my titration results and how difficult wearing
a mask that pumps O2 into my lungs turns out. I know a large
percentage of people find using CPAP intolerable. Luckily you are
not one of them.

 
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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

Yes, CCJJ, we're anxiously awaiting the results, !

Quote:
Originally Posted by LALOV929 View Post
... I'm so curious and even anxious I'm worried that I
won't be able to sleep.
I remember that feeling...but it is a good feeling, . Kind of like still believeing in Santa!


Quote:
...it literally means low CO2 (carbon dioxide) in the blood. Since CO2
is acidic lowering it's level brings about alkalinity which has many
adverse effects.
Ok, that I understand...but comment "It is caused by..." what are you referring to as "it"? The low CO2 level?? Or the "emotional states like fear, anxiety
or panic"??

Quote:
...Electolyte imbalance occurs if this pattern becomes habitual and
it is said to affect around six percent of the population to some
degree.
This is totally new to me!! but I think it explains some of the things that hppen to me sometimes.

Quote:
...Perhaps I should change "old hand" to "experienced hand". Would
that help?
"Old hand" is just fine, actually a complement, as I value aging and older people...think fine wine, here! It's just that I've only had my cpap about 3 years so there's a lot I don't know.

Quote:
...I will report back on my titration results and how difficult wearing
a mask that pumps O2 into my lungs turns out.
Are you actually having O2 pumped into your lungs? Clarification needed here as most, if not all, cpaps only pump enough air into the mouth to keep the airways open...I would think that if it got to the lungs, the pressure would be too strong, but I don't know...

will anxiously await your report!!

Bethsheba

 
Old 11-11-2008, 09:11 AM   #9
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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

Just a brief reply to your question 'B'. It refers to the condition
"hypocapnia". It's almost like a daytime version of imbalanced
oxygen/CO2 ratios. During sleep, impaired oxygen level leads to
deep sleep/REM sleep interruptions and deepsleep/REM sleep
are crucial to our overall health. In daytime, stress and all it's
relatives like anxiety etc, interfere with normal breathing so that
excessive CO2 buildup likewise interferes with overall health.
Both have to do with breathing and both have serious consequences
if allowed to develop too far. I believe these issues affect many
people who are being treated for other conditions which have the
same symptoms. And these do not require medications to solve
them.
As to having O2 pumped into my lungs, consider this. If I am not
mistaken air is pumped into the CPAP mask under pressure. This
air being pumped in reaches the lungs, does it not? Or I would ask,
how does the air enter the mask if not under pressure? And then,
do we not breathe this air? Correct me if I am totally mistaken,
please. Of course by the time I am able to read your answer I will
have spent a night breathing via CPAP and will have my answer then.

I hope I will be reading CCJJ's comments by then also.

 
Old 11-12-2008, 07:30 PM   #10
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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

Had hoped by now we would have heard back from CCJJ. I am
actually surprised at how smooth the mask fitting and titration
overnight turned out so smoothly and especially helpfully. I guess
I must say I am sold on CPAP. They woke me at 6 AM and I was
pretty groggy after a sound sleep but I perked up and spent the
next twelve hours feeling better than I have in many months.
As I scan the boards I see you have kept busy, Bethsheba. I'm
heading for bed without CPAP tonight, regretfully. Gotta wait a
week til follow up appointment with sleep doc. I look forward to
a rewarding association with the little machine.

 
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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

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...As to having O2 pumped into my lungs, consider this. If I am not
mistaken air is pumped into the CPAP mask under pressure. This
air being pumped in reaches the lungs, does it not?
Hi,

O2 and "air" are not the same things...although air contains oxygen, it also is composed of other things, oxygen does not...if they were the same, both would explode if ignited, .

By now, you probably realize that the pressures of the cpap are (or should be) only strong enough to keep your throat open, and that although some cpaps are equipped to supply O2, most are not, and you most likely will have an "ordinary" model.

Bethsheba

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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

LA,

Am reassured to learn that your study went well...I wish I could say the same for CCJJ.

I think that you'll find it may be necessary to "tweak" your settings, your mask, and your other equipment as time goes on. And do keep up with your reading...it's taking me several years of research to find info that the doctors didn't know or didn't take the time to share with me.

And finally, assume NOTHING. Don't believe a word you are told by anyone, before checking it out yourself first!!!

I'm going to be leaving the boards...after a long period of disabling med side effects, I have regained my health and desperately need to return to employment as I am very very close to being broke.

So take care, my friend! And continue to share your support, your knowledge, and your humor...as we can all learn so very much from one another.

Bethsheba

 
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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

You wrote in post before last that:

'O2 and "air" are not the same things...although air contains oxygen, it also is composed of other things, oxygen does not...if they were the same, both would explode if ignited,"

I certainly realize that they are not the same things but found it simpler to
write O2 as I did. But I would like to let you know that neither oxygen nor
air explode if ignited. You cannot ignite oxygen or air, but if you introduce
something combustible into pure oxygen then you can have a virtual or
actual explosion. Oxygen is simply not flammable.

My CPAP delivers air of course, didn't know any delivered pure oxygen.
But I have been breathing pure oxygen while sleeping prior to my CPAP
adventure.

I'm glad, bethsheba, that you have regained enough health to enable you
to return to work, but sorry to read that you will not continue to contribute
to these boards. The advice you included in last post is a policy I adopted
some years ago as it became clear to me how much misleading information
is disseminated by supposedly professional and certified physicians. Anyone
who believes and follows whatever they are told is endangered species
nowadays.

I wish you all the best of health and good fortune in your days ahead.
lalov

 
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Re: Will using a CPAP lower blood pressure and cholesterol?

Quote:
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... But I would like to let you know that neither oxygen nor
air explode if ignited. You cannot ignite oxygen or air, but if you introduce
something combustible into pure oxygen then you can have a virtual or
actual explosion. Oxygen is simply not flammable.
Thanks, I"m not much of a science person so I appreciate the explanation!

I have reason to believe some cpaps are capable of delivering pure o2...probably for those with copd or emphysema..pardon the spelling.

Quote:
...The advice you included in last post is a policy I adopted
some years ago as it became clear to me how much misleading information
is disseminated by supposedly professional and certified physicians. Anyone
who believes and follows whatever they are told is endangered species
nowadays.
Yes, but I would hope that you would remind others who are not fortunate enough to know this.

Thanks for the kind words...my computer crashed and it will be awhile before I can return to the Library, .

Bethsheba

 
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