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Old 02-02-2004, 01:31 PM   #1
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Unhappy I need help from the experts

I'm not normally a board-type guy, but I have a teenage girl....

So here's a brief history: She's fifteen, so she's definitely in the window to have started smoking. Neither of her parents do, so there's no ambiguity about our position, however her favorite 31y/o aunt/role model does. Within the last six months, on rare occasion we've found matches in her jeans, but never pushed the issue. About a month ago, we had a talk, and she admitted that although she has smoked, she doesn't. I then practically begged her not to, as I strongly disapproved of the behavior, and she said she wouldn't do it in ther future.

So, of course, you can guess what happened next. About a week ago she had a friend spend the night. I was up late and smelled strange odors seeping out of her room, incense and uh-oh(!!!). Of course we confronted her about it, and she admitted that Brittany was smoking and she thought it would be okay for Brittany to do it in the house because it was so cold outside. (It's not, even for her aunt whom we love dearly.) We told that although we couldn't control Brittany, if she insisted on smoking, she would have to do it outside . There was no evidence that that later occurred.

So, two days later, matches turn up again in my daughter's jeans. This time we confronted her directly and the converstion deteriorated from "I have, but I don't" to "I've been smoking daily for two weeks, but it's no big deal, so I won't anymore."

Now I don't trust her. And now I have some questions, but I'm too emotionally attached to think them all through clearly:

Can I reasonably conclude from the evidence that she's addicted? I've read that addiction can occur immediately, but for teenage girls it's about a three week process. The two weeks she's admitted to leave me less than confident about her chances.

Either way, what can I do to discourage her? Will punishment work, or if she's addicted will that just increase the sneaking, which I hate even more? (She's an honor roll student, a competitive swimmer, and otherwise a good, caring, and compassionate kid. Oh yeah, and she knows smoking is bad on every level, and has at least temporarily decided it was okay.)

What kind of punishment might be effective? Whenever we try grounding her from privileges like her cell phone, computer and overnights, she counters with "I don't care, my social life is a mess anyway...nobody likes me." (She is both pretty and popular, with no shortage of potential male suitors.)

Finally, does it sound like she wanted to get caught? If so, why? If not, her efforts at concealing her behavior have been pretty dismal.

Anyway, her mom got her to promise not to smoke for the next six weeks, as this is crunch time in her swim schedule. That sounds logical, but it almost sounds a little too permissive on the back end. Implied is that it's okay to do it then, and I already have a pretty good idea which decision she will make at that time. But then, that's probably not much worse than my "I hate it, but if you're going to it, tell me so I can get used to it." (I want to get back to a position of trust, and I was thinking if she admits screwing up on occasion, then maybe I can believe her when she doesn't.) We've both told her repeatedly that it's not okay, that we're not financing the behavior, and we are going to monitor her lunch money a little more closely. But then again, she said flat out that since she's a girl she can just mooch any time she wants.

In short, I have no idea how to handle this situation.

Thanks for any help....

 
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Old 02-02-2004, 02:04 PM   #2
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Re: I need help from the experts

Where do I begin........................hmmm... well I would say that yes she prob. is addicted and I feel bad for both of you because I know how hard it is on all ends.

I smoked or "sneaked" as a teenager as well but I at least did it outside or out my window late at night. I do wonder if she did want to get caught but I doubt it.

Sad thing for the cool aunt to smoke but normally that's the way it works because I'm sure the aunt drinks or used to as well - you know the "coooool scene." Unfortunately.

Does she LOVE swimming and does she plan on continuing that? If so - let her know that she'll be LAST place in everything she does because it's only a matter of time until her lungs won't have the capacity they used to. Also Oprah had this special recently with all different body parts on it and the effects of smoking, drinking, etc.. so you might want to try and get a copy of that tape and show her.

Also - VANITY - I was prom queen/cheerleader in high school so I wasn't lacking for men either, but if someone would've shown me what smoking will do to me as I continued to smoke (skin - your pores get bigger and bigger and you get this leathery look as if tanning too much), then I would've quit.

Let's not even mention the whole cancer thing - or a hole in your throat. I would find all of the nastiest pictures, etc.. and show her what it does to you. You can also call the american lung association and american cancer society and they can advise you as well and prob. even better and send you free info in the mail.

I would get some of Dr. Phil's book or do a search on communicating with your teenager, etc... and read up on how to get them to be on your team because let me tell ya - the competition is VERY tough for you right now. Teenagers don't want to be bothered with prude parents (that's what they think) and just really don't care so you have to find a way to show them why it is important.

Maybe tell her that if you even show much as ever smell it on her (make her stand away from friends) then you'll tell her swimming coach and everyone else that she wouldn't want to know. Also let her know that guys hate it even if they don't tell her and her breath with become a sewer if she continues and no one will want to kiss her.

I could go on and on but this should be good for now. LOL (laughin out loud)

I wish you the very best of success with this and if all else fails - please send her out here and tell her to ask for me. Also let her read the lung cancer boards - it's a shame all of the hurt people have to go thru due to smoking - let alone be given 3 months to live. Not fun saying goodbye to your family with only 3 months to live if you're that lucky. Oh and just because the normal statistic is you have to be OLDER for it to happen - there are people dying now in their 20's and 30's so something has changed. Find a way to make her care.

We'll be here to support you and her

Laurie

 
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One thing for her to know. Most DNA damage is done to people who started smoking before the age of 21. Her lungs are still developing because she has not reached full growth. If she must smoke (which of course we hope she doesn't) tell her to at least wait until her body is fully grown. As smoking is a rebellion of sorts, punishment will be difficult, and may actually cause an escalation of the behavior. The only thing my mother did to prevent us from doing something, was laugh at us and say it was ridiculous. We didn't want to be seen as fools.

 
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Where are you from guilty? I do think it matters where you're from, culture, how you're raised, etc...

I walked all over my Mom when I lived with her because she was too easy and the punishment was very weak if any. I ran that household. When I moved to my Dad's house 2 hours away (I'm from PA but live in charlotte, NC now) - he wasn't having that and I must say his discipline and punishment did add years to my life because if you limit access - guess what - they can't smoke.

I think punishment might become an option because #1 she won't be tempted if she's not around it as much as she is now #2 she needs to learn consequences or maybe harsher ones for her actions at least til she's 18 and out of the house and #3 respect for her parents and their home (thinking Brittany could smoke in her room - absurd since the aunt isn't even allowed).

I'm just a firm believer of discipline and I'm an accountant for a residential therapeutic facility for adolescents. The more disciplined homes are the better kids. When you're too nice or easy they don't respect you as much and take advantage of your kindness. At least that's the proven statistic here.

But depending on where you're from - guilty may be right and if she thinks that way it may work. I think she's a cocky teenager like I was so I used me. LOL

 
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I was born down south but raised most of my life in Seattle. My mother was a master at guilt. She had it down to a science. Put regular punishment, grounding, taking away something, whatever, just made me angry and I wanted to do something all the more. I figured it must be really good if she was so worried about it! Laughing at someone who smokes and telling them it's stupid takes all the "cool" factor out of it. It is not a "forbidden fruit" anymore. I guess it really depends on the type of person you are dealing with.

 
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