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Old 09-19-2006, 05:15 PM   #1
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Facial tingling from neck problems?

Does anyone have facial tingling from a neck injury/problem? I have been having facial tingling for about 6 years now, brain Mri in April 06, was normal. but I do get migraines that is on the same side of the tingling. Can anyone here related, or have any suggestions? Thank you

 
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Re: Facial tingling from neck problems?

jenny****** i wish i did. i might later today after i see the spine specialist. have a really bad injury to my neck with lots going on including a pinched nerve and large bone spur. on occassion i wake with a numb side of my face. usually the side i'm sleeping on. feels like the dentist injected novocaine all ove my face. asked the ortho back in june and he said it's not neck that the face is from the brain. Had an MRI of brain and carotid artery ultrasound that were both normal . i see him today and will mention this again. it doesn't happen regularly to me, maybe once or twice every couple of weeks.will be in touch.

 
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Re: Facial tingling from neck problems?

the answer is a most definite YES,you CAN have facial/head related paresthesias from having an issue in your c spine,trust me,i am a walking billboard for that,lol.there are actually a couple of cranials that run down from the head,into the c spine,junction at the c 8 nerve area,then loop back up into the head again.just look up cranial nerves and you will see how some of them run.

i didn't know this was possible til after my spinal cord was severely injured right at the c 7 t 1(alot of c 8 nerve damage) areas,now i have alot of facial tingling and intermittant numbness going on right smack in the middle of my face.this is just MY particular area,there are other areas that are affected as well.i also get migranes,while i have many different triggers,i also have a particular trigger that is somewhere between my upper shoulder/neck area that when i move my arm in a certain way(like lying on my stomach and trying to get something out from underneath the bed?) i will feel this sudden 'pull' in my top shoulder area and into my neck and the very next day or just later in the same day,wham,migrane!

do you actually have a Dxed c spine problem or are you still waiting to actually find that out?just know thatthe answer to your question is a most definite YES.what does your neck problem consist of,or what are your actual symptoms??Marcia
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Re: Facial tingling from neck problems?

the answer is a most definite YES,you CAN have facial/head related paresthesias from having an issue in your c spine,trust me,i am a walking billboard for that,lol.there are actually a couple of cranials that run down from the head,into the c spine,junction at the c 8 nerve area,then loop back up into the head again.just look up cranial nerves and you will see how some of them run.

i didn't know this was possible til after my spinal cord was severely injured right at the c 7 t 1(alot of c 8 nerve damage) areas,now i have alot of facial tingling and intermittant numbness going on right smack in the middle of my face.this is just MY particular area,there are other areas that are affected as well.i also get migranes,while i have many different triggers,i also have a particular trigger that is somewhere between my upper shoulder/neck area that when i move my arm in a certain way(like lying on my stomach and trying to get something out from underneath the bed?) i will feel this sudden 'pull' in my top shoulder area and into my neck and the very next day or just later in the same day,wham,migrane!

do you actually have a Dxed c spine problem or are you still waiting to actually find that out?just know thatthe answer to your question is a most definite YES.what does your neck problem consist of,or what are your actual symptoms??i would highly suggest getting an MRI done on your c spine,as this is probably the problem area, somewhere within it.Marcia
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Re: Facial tingling from neck problems?

Feelbad, thanks so much for that info. I haven't had the cervical MRI yet, still trying PT, it has lessened the tingling a good bit. When I get the migraine its a burning, aching pain that starts in my left shoulder goes up at the base of skull and part way up the back, and then the pain is above my eyebrow also. When they are relly bad, my nose will run constantly on the left side only, somtimes the pain switches to the right side, but its more of a pain in the eye on that side. Weird. Do you get the facial tingling alot? I have this everyday, but it seems when my neck isn't bothering me its not there as much. Thanks again for your reply, it is greatly appreciated.

 
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Re: Facial tingling from neck problems?

I echo the previous posts. Yes to tingling, yes to headaches. I just posted something about this on the board to Mumof3fairies on headaches, if you want to read that post.

No offense to you or anyone else on this board, but I find it very annoying that they are trying PT before they image you... I realize that some docs, usually HMOs will do this to save $$$, and to save you from unnecessary testing - it's important to have the Cspine area imaged. Personally I would push (I'm pushy) for a Cspine and brain MRI asap. This way you know if it is a Cspine issue or just a muscular issue. And if it is migraines (and yes, migraines can cause pain in shoulders, neck, and the tingling on their own) they may or may not have some scarring or spotting on the brain scan. Your doc will be able to 'see' the migraines. This way you're treated properly...

I was misdiagnosed as migraine for many years... and I'm very angry about it.. if I were imaged properly in the first place, I would have maybe started treating my neck better years earlier and possibly have less bone spur etc. than I do now.. maybe not, but yes, maybe I'd have fewer problems had I known about it earlier.

And again, not to scare you, sometimes PT is not good for those of us with CSpine issues, depending on what is going on in there. My PT made my neck worse when a fairly inexperienced therapist tried some manual manipulation on a facet joint and caused my then unaffected left side to start having electric shocks, spasms, etc...

So I would seriously push for the imaging. Find out what is really going on and then come up with a treatment plan. Right now the docs are going off of educated guesses based off of stats... and that is just so wrong in my mind.

Sorry if this post seems cranky or pushy or out of line. I'm just very passionate and your post reminded me of so many posts I myself posted years ago... just wondering what the heck was up with my head and neck and face and shoulders - while my docs just fed me imitrex.

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good morning all------my spine specialist tells me the numbness and tingling in the face is from the brain though the last time i saw him he wasnted to see the MRI of my brain. hospital that did it messed me up since it was ordered with/without gadolinium and they only did without. now i have to go back and have it done with. i wake most mornings with the right side of my face and lips feeling as if i was in the dentists chair all night. numbness that turns to pins and needles. no PT no injections have been done on my neck so far since i also have an impinged shoulder, tarsal tunnel and tendonitis in my ankle, buckling rt knee and 4 bluges in my lumbar. all the same injury.

MRI cervical spine:
3 bulged disks
pinched nerve at the C7
large bone spurs between the C5-6 and C6-7 indenting the spinal cord
possible early myelopathy
stenosis at different levels

EMG done 3 weeks post injury. neuro states it was done too soon. shows nothing but the pinched nerve at C7.

i am starting to think i am crazy but know sincce this is all a WC case they will put me through hell before they fix anything. i have cervial headaches almost everyday. right up the back of my skull. pains in my ear on the side of the shoulder impingement. i am seeing a shoulder surgeon in a couple of weeks and since i just got my first injection in my ankle will see the specialist within a month for that also. in the menatime i am starting aquatic therapy since the ortho's don't believe i can do anything else. hopefully we can fix my ankle and hsoulder and then concentrate on my neck. the bulges in my lumbar have been there since 1999, flare up once in awhile but i have learned to live with htem. best to all.

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Re: Facial tingling from neck problems?

i was going to mention to you the exact same thing that puparoo just did(thanks for saving me the typing pup)starting ANY sort of PT BEFORE actually knowing what is going on in that c spine is downright dangerous since you have no clue if anything is actually compromising any nerves or more importantly,the actual spinal cord.i would seriously speak with your doc about the need for the MRI before you consent to any more PT,the risk really is a rather high one when you just simply do not know what you may be possibly dealing with.i sure your doc would agree if he knows anything about the c spine.if he doesn't agree,you may want to change docs,soon.

the c spine,unlike any other area of the actual spine,is very heavily innervated with critical nerves that govern the body from the neck down,you do not want to be doing anything that could actually be causing more injury at this point.you need to actually KNOW first.ask your doc to take on the liability if he wants you to actually continue with PT without the benefit of an MRI done on your c spine first,i think that would get his attention.it just really has to be done.see your doc as soon as you can or get his referral over the phone for the MRI,whatever works.but stay away from PT,really.

if you call his office about getting that referral and the nusre(the gate keeper)gives you problems just tell her that you cannot in all good conscience(since you have recently found out the real risks)continue with PT til you can obtain an MRI first,tell her "if the doc is willing to take on the liability for having you continue with PT without getting the MRI done,well thats the risk HE will have to take,but just so you know i am taking note of the time,the date and this conversation just incase something actually happens to me during my next PT visit,and whats your name miss???"

i think this may help you in some way.just explain your very real concerns about possible injurythere and making things worse without knowing what that actually is.hope you can get it soon.please keep us posted.marcia
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Re: Facial tingling from neck problems?

ICC - They don't think that the shoulder pain is coming from the Cspine? This seems to me like almost a no-brainer... Unless you know for sure that the shoulder joint is messed up, your pain is likely nerve pain from the Cspine. I'm no doctor, I'll say that upfront, but do a search on these boards for shoulder and you'll see lots of folks who have severe shoulder pain. Especailly with myelopathy -- this might be radicular pain..

How annoying for you. I'm so sorry... Your facial pain/numbness is likely due to the Cspine issues too... I get numb tingling lips all of the time. I"m sorry you are WC - I know that is awful. Years and years ago, I used to work as a paralegal for WC patients - I know how hard it is for you to get the treatment you need.

Are you seeing a neurologist? A neurologist might not want the WC to spend the money on a shoulder doc when the pain is radicular in nature. Not to scare you or confuse you any further, but just a thought. I hope it works out and you get the tratement you need. Have you tried Lyrica, Neurontin, Topamax, etc yet? Sometimes those help quite a bit with the nerve pain and if it is not the shoulder joint, it might help with that pain too.

 
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puparoo----my first dr. appt after the injury was with a shoulder surgeon.. he blew me off and said it was all coming from my c-spine. saw the spince specialist 2 days later who said i also suffered a shoulder injury. i was also told that the ankle swelling and pain was coming from my back. have 4 bulged diks that i ahve lived with since '99. heels go numb once in awhile if i sit too long or the wrong way. well i finally went to my PCP and tol dhim i needed him to "pretend " this was not work related for a minute an dsend me to whatever dr. he would if i had gotten hurt outside of work.He ordered an MRI of back, another cervical, ankle, and shoulder. ankle has tarsal tunnel and tendonitis (so it is not all coming from my back), shoulder has a sub-acromial impingement (so the shoulder surgeon was wrong and spine specialist was right). neck is a mess. i think the spine dr . knows i need shoulder surgery to repair this and wants that done first to see just how much pain is actually coming from my neck. he told me last week that he is holding off on surgery on my neck for now BUT it must be watched for life. attorney asked me if the spince dr. thinks this is work realted. these people crack me up. everyone knows part of this could be age related but had i not lifted 50# continutally for 20 years i don't believe it would be as progressed as it is. took me since May to open my mouth and be in control of my own health. the enxt step will be a neuro. i can't let them inject me anymore since i have diabetes and the past week has been hell. got an ankle shot on wed. and then had to take oral sterioids all day yesterday for 2 CT scans/with contrast i'm having today. my glucose if off the charts and since i am diet controlled i WILL not let this work injury put me on insulin. OK i think i;m done complaing for a minute but will be back i;m sure with more. my neck scares me. no one wants to touch it. they avoid all therapy on it. so to answer your original question (sorry the steroids are making me fly) some of the pain is from my neck but with the impingement in my shoulder some is from that. i knew something was up since i have 10 xs the pain on my left side of neck thant on the right and it's my left shoulder that's bad. thanks for being there and caring. it means alot. oh as far as meds go i am in the 1% of the population who is sensitive to everything. PCP has mentioned possibly trying lyrica or neurontin at some point. so many side effects with my personal health issues. scary!!!

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Re: Facial tingling from neck problems?

Hey ICC, i DO feel for ya.geez c spine/shoulder pain,ya think MAYBE there IS a connection??duh.some docs just kill me with there unbelievable level of total ignorance.for YEARS i was told that my under the shoulder blade pain was in NO WAY comming from the wonderful little cavernoma inside of my spinal cord.two neurosurgeons told me,no way,it was not possible.my cav is/was at the c 8 nerve level.by the time i finally got to the office of the head of neurosurgery at the university of MN,i was like ready to make that final leap over the freeway overpass down the street.honestly,if not that,what the hell was it?this NS was my true savior.honestly,one of the first things that came out of his mouth was YES,my cav was probably the key trigger for this hidious prying/pressure type of pain i was having,and he not only told me,he showed me how this was possible with a little drawing he made for me showing me just how the nerves actually run below the vertebrae.honestly,i was never so happy to hear 'bad' news.

finding a very knowledgable and experienced NS is really the biggest thing.the ironic thing was one of my NSs that i had seen before,and who did my c spine surgeries,was actually taught by this NS,he had gone to the U of M for med school.i think he must have either missed that particular lecture on how the nerves run or partied too much the night before and slept thru it.

if anyone takes the time to actually see how the nerves actually run thru the c spine,they pretty much totally innervate the entire shoulder area and the entire upper back,not to mention the ones that run down from the head and loop back up into it at the c 8 junction.HELLOOOO??

because of the mess i now have at my c 8 from the cavernoma resection surgery,my head/face,legs feet c spine and a huge area where the tracts and other nerves that were damaged run,i literally have some level affectation from head to foot.kind of that domino effect?

my facial stuff,the tingling and the off and on numbness will just come and go when it wants to,like right now,the tip of my nose is tingling,wasn't there like ten minutes ago.i do have some sort of loss of a level of sensory at my upper lip area as well and really am not sure if this is loss of prioperception(which i have in certain areas,mostly my legs)but i cannot tell whether my mouth is open or closed when i am not actually looking at it or touch it with my tongue.wierd,really.just one of my many 'gifts" from the nerve and tract damage that is all stemming from my c spine and not my aneurysm in my brain.yes,we have had fun lately.god i hate docs,really.espescially the ones that are just never ever wrong in their Dx and are not willing to own up to mistakes of any kind.yea,you ARE human just like the rest of us.

i am off my box now,sorry to ramble.just slap me please.marcia
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marcia**** we ramble almost the same. i love it because we are right and when we get on it and know the other person knows what you're talking about you get alot of frustration out. i am really glad we can be here for each other. i though i was a mess. you must be in pain all the time. i am making the rules now and seeing what dr.s i want to see. my PCP got the point the other day. with all the cervical stuff going on it's difficult to make the dx as to where what is coming from. if not for the impingemnt in my rotator cuff i think all dr. swould be on my neck but since the MRI of my shoulder now they're all slowing down a litttle and consulting with each other about proper treatment. i called to schedule an evaluation for PT today and they said since there are so many body parts they won't put me through doing the eval in one visit. instead they will eval upper body one day and lower body another. i was pleased withthat. staring with aquatic PT but then there is a multitude of therapy listed on my prescription. should take about 2 year sto get through it all especially if there are any surgeries int he meantime. i had a ct /with contrast of abdomen and throat this morning. the prep for me is endless with the steroids, benadryl(have an allergy to the dy and asthma) over 50 so blood has to be done and i have no veins. well when all was ready i got in the machine and it broke LOL i could do nothing but laugh or i would've cried. it ended up taking 4 hours instead of 15 minutes to get this done. at this point between the steroids, fasting since i am diabetic, the benadryl i didn't know which direction i was in. the last time i;ll go throughthat. all dr. are going to be told they can take my steroids themselves. and then they had my bad shoulder up over my head for an hour and it froze and made me walk all over the hospital for another ct machine with the bad back and ankle. not even an offer of a chair. UGH!!!!

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Well I had the MRI done yesterday, I knew the MRI tech, and when he pulled me out of the tube, he asked me if I could tell him what side is the pain that I have on, I asked him, "you seen something didn't you? He told me that he wasn't allowed to say, but told me not to go roller coaster riding, skydiving, bungee jumping, or hang gliding until I talk to the doc on Monday. I was concerned at first because MS runs in my family, and he knew that I have been worried about this for 8 years, but never had insurance then to have the MRI done. He told me that if I would have had this done 8 years ago I could have saved myself alot of worry and anxiety. So, then I asked him if it was high in my cervical spine, and he said yes. Can they even do surgery if it is that high, I'm thinking C-1, C-2, because x-rays that I had sone 3 years ago at the chiro office showed a mild misalignment at C-1. Can problems in the c-spine cause problems in your legs, because when I sit down, my upper top of my legs tingle. What could this possibly be? I asked if I should be worried all weekend and start my xanax again, he just smiled as said no, so about the PT, I asked about what he thought about continuing PT, which I have been doing for the last 10 weeks, he said to talk to the doc Monday. The PT has helped alot with the facial tingling though. Could a problem be lower than C-2, C-3, cause the facial tingling and shoulder pain? I know I'm asking alot of questions, just can't wait til Monday, everyone here seems pretty well educated about these issues. Thanks so much!!! jen

 
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Jenny, C1-2 and even 3 sometimes are rare to have problems around --- the chiropractor xrays are 'wayy' different than the MRI. You technically could have problems up there. But I have herniations, compression and stenosis at C3,4,5,6 and they case headaches and tingling. By now you may have seen your doctor and gotten your results. Please do let us know what they are and realize this is not the end of the world. Given that your tech said not to go on rollercoasters, etc your problems may be between C3-6 where our joints have the most movement... C1/2 are really hard to herniate or mess up...

Let us know!!!

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Yes, problems lower than C1/2 can and do cause shoulder pain. Way more likely to cause shoulder pain at C5/6, maybe even 4. I defer to the rest of the board. C3/4, 5/6 and even lower can cause the headaches too...

 
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