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Old 11-28-2007, 05:07 AM   #1
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Hurts to breathe,pain under & around scapula

Anyone else experiance this type of thing, boy does it hurt, has me sweating. When I take a breath in it feels like someone is stabbing me right around & under the scapula. Had bad day yesturday with pain. this morning is worse. The pain med. did not last at all yesturday I sure hope it kicks in this morning. I am not sure what to do anymore, the rehab doc now wants some one to look at my shoulder & keeps questioning my thoracic area, although he has the MRI results from june which does not indicate a problem big enough to cause these symptoms. Most of the problems are in the cervical area along with ddd. I can't find away to relieve this pain, I need to do something to prevent myself from rolling on to my left side in my sleep, or moving around to much for that matter. I tried sleeping in the recliner that hurt my neck, I may have to try again. I hate to do this but I may have to ask for something stronger for the pain which so far this doc has been hesitant to do, but honestly I can't take this & the percocet is not lasting these last couple days. Anyone else have this type of pain? If so anything help? The only real relief I got yesturday was laying on my ice but when the ice was off the pain came back. Any suggestions would be sure appreciated. Thanks, Sammy

 
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Hi Sammy,

I am so sorry to hear that this is happening!!! I feel for you!

This is my experience with the pain meds. If I have a pain level of 10 and I take something and it brings it down to a 7 that may be the best it will do. I have never had meds get it much lower than 6.

I thought that you mentioned that you were having an injection? Did I hear you correctly? Was it a trigger point or did you have any ESI's?

I have had times when the pain in that area has been so bad that my natural reaction is to not breathe deep because it just would hurt to much.

Certainly I feel for you girl.

Pain meds are tricky and may not work as good after taking the same thing for a while. Maybe it is time for a higher dose or different med, or maybe stay on the percocet and add in something for break through pain.

I am thi as thinking of asking for a different med for break through pain because the one I have now does not seem to really help.

Anyway i will say a prayer for you today!!!

Keep me in your thoughts for Friday as I will be having another ESI.


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Old 11-28-2007, 10:03 PM   #3
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Re: Hurts to breathe,pain under & around scapula

Yes, it can be very painful. The Chiropractor (sp?) who does massage first and a good massage therapist helps me the best.
My daughter is getting pretty good at helping me mobilize those rib heads behind the scapula too.

 
Old 12-01-2007, 05:16 AM   #4
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Re: Hurts to breathe,pain under & around scapula

Thanks guys, the doc. called me in norco, I don't know much about it & was alittle surprised he called anythng in, he does not like dealing with pain meds much, so he must somewhat understand my pain level. I went for cortisone injections which did not last. I am going to see a specialist dec, 28 another ortho. This is just getting worse, the pain in radiating to encompass more of the back & further down the ribs,the center of the back between the scapula hurts like heck& my rib cage swells like you would not believe, dry heaves are back. I had a violent headache which nothing would touch. That did me in. I do not need that on top of all the rest. I cant use my left arm so now the right side is getting sore. Got to say it has not been a good week. I was surprised that this new doc. would not even let me make an appointment without seeing my mri report, never heard of that. I have seen a chiro in the past with no lasting results. The mornings are the worse & i believe I am moving around to much in my sleep, have no clue what to do about that. The rehab. doc said mornings are always the worst for most people with these problems. I just know this is getting worse & I'll tell you I don't know how much worse it can get. Tired of it all I hope this new med gives me some relief. Good luck Chrissy with you ESI, I am getting tired of moving at the turtle speed towards feeling better & I know you are to.Thanks guys, sammy

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Old 12-06-2007, 02:28 PM   #5
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Re: Hurts to breathe,pain under & around scapula

Sounds familiar. Me a couple of years ago. Now the stabbing scapula pain feels more like a railroad spike right through to the chest. They cannot diagnose the exact cause from my MRI's. I have DDD and spurs and some arthritis with two bulging disks and one Herniated (cervical). I have fought the pain medications for 4 years but this year finally resigned as the "Queen of De-Nile" and admit that I have CPS (chronic pain syndrome_
I have graduated from Hydrocodone to Kadian and Norco. The sleep thing is still a problem although the Kadian taken last thing before retiring helps ( I actually got 4 FULL hours of sleep last night/! Usually only 2. I'll tell u what I have done and hope that maybe some of it may help you. I bought a body length pillow (feather since it can be manipulated in to the bump and creases you particularly need) I pound and push it into supporting configurations lie on my "good side" Left one is the only one I can lie on now. You may even want to get 2 pillows one for supporting the back. I use Lidocaine patches to supplement and have found them very useful especially when waiti(ng for .the pills to work. I also passed along . .the "Holiday" torch to my daughter this year This is getting too long so I will end and hope I may have said something that would help. T

 
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Re: Hurts to breathe,pain under & around scapula

T, thanks I have considered the pillow behind me, but my bed is only so big & I already practicly push my husband out of it, but I may end up trying it. I took some time & relaxed & upped my meds which I never wanted to do, but I got fed up, so far I am abit better. I know the meds wont work forever & I have two appointments this month, so hopefully I find something out. I ran into two people one here & one at the store who both explained they had tears & the MrIs never showed them & my symptoms are a heck of alot like theirs so lets hope the surgeon I am seeing is good & will consider this. I refuse to think of being like this the rest of my life. I know there is something really wrong in there & I want it found. I am hoping for a good christmas with my family since my surgeons appointment is not till after christmas. I will not try the recliner again another major headache after trying the second time, I have the Lido patches but they don't do a whole lot for me but i do keep trying them at times hoping. Thanks so much for taking the time to respond the chest thing is really scary & painful so I feel for you. Sammy

 
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Hello Sammy, I lost track of you and just now found your post here in the Spinal Board. I am so sorry to hear your still having such trouble, but glad to hear you have an appointment with a specialist in Dec. I am going to see a neurosurgeon next week conerning my problems; I hope he can give me some insight on what do do, as I am still having ther same pain and inflammation in my back and neck. Like you, I have tried it all, and if this doc suggests surgery, I just might consider it as I am so tired of it all. Glad to be in touch again, and have been thinking of you. Take care and best to you.

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Re: Hurts to breathe,pain under & around scapula

Chab, So ncie to hear from you, hanging in there is about all. I am just plain fed up. Everytime I think it can't get worse it does. Had a good week last week for the most part then this week has been agony. I can't wait to get to this specialist the end of the month. My left arm is useless, & the right side is getting sore from using it all the time. Heck its frutrating. I was hoping you were doing abit better. I am up for surgery if that is what is needed, did the pt, injections, meds, not sure what else there is. Perhaps this new year we will find some answers. You take care & let us know what this next doc. says. Sammy

 
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Re: Hurts to breathe,pain under & around scapula

Oh Sammy,things just getting worse there hon?i really REALLy do think that what you are dealing with here for the most part IS indeed some level of actual rotator cuff tear(this is suprisingly a very very common injury).like we discussed on the pain boards,your symptoms just sound sooo much like what this tear has been giving me.i know we both also have some pretty nasty c spine and other neck issues too,but honestly,the way your arm and ROM have been getting and the way you have been describing your ongoing pain,it just sounds soo much like what i have been dealing with in that shoulder area including over and under my actual shoulder blade.obtaining that MRI and seeing that new doc,i really do think that there will be something found in it as far as actual damage to one of the tendons that make up the actual "cuff',just based on what you have been describing.i was really rather shocked at just how much real damage(full thickness tear of the supraspinatus tendon) and muscle retraction and inflammation and edema and a few other assorted odds and ends that showed up in my shoulder MRI.i didn;t have a freaking clue it was that bad.usually,when you have a good solid bit of muscle in the upper body/shoulder area,it is not as noticable,but my surrent condition has caused me fat loss and slow muscle deteriortion now.it looks just sick,i now look how i feel and it sucks,alot.the more loss of muscle you have in your shoulder area the much more that shoulder relys upon the tendons.that is when things start becomming more apparent.this is what went on with me too.

hopefully you can hold on til that MRI and the ortho appt.i just have a feeling that you are going to find a tear there in one of those tendons.your situation is slowly becomming worse,this is exacty how this has gone for me too.bit by bit i have been losing more ROM and the pain is becomming more knife like when i do certain movements with that arm.but only when the arm is extending.or i try and actually lift something overhand,during extension. yeowch.but the pain in and under the scapula is almost a constant radiating type of pain.i thought it was from TPs but when that cranio and myofascial release actually helped take away some of my real nasty TPs,that damn pain was still there right where the scapula ends and the actual 'back area' under and around it starts?this is where i have been placing the lido patches lately and it does appear to be helping some.just a sugestion.i would try on the scapulaa too but more over to the side but still on the back area?these places are also where i rub in the biofreeze too.between that and the lido,this is the only things i have been using to manage the tear pain,no raise in my narcotic yet.still holding out that i wont have to go there.

i really am curious to hear just what that new MRI actually shows of the rotator cuff.like i said,this is really a very common injury that alot of people just don;t know about yet since it has not reached that more critical tear level.it is kind of a slow wear and tear type of injury for alot of people that can take place over many years.i am almost certain i know when my first initial tear took place and this was actually back in 89 while preparing for my FD agility test.thats a very long time ago ya know?but over the years i lifted alot of weight and casued alot of inflammation,just didn;t have a clue that i had actually torn something at that time.i just suffered a deep burning sensation one day while lifting and had to stop my training for about one week but couldn;t take too much time since my test was not too far off.moist heat and advil took care of it and i was back at in in about a week.so my initial injury started a very long time ago and took this long to get to the point where i am now.go figure.

hang in there sammy,hopefully that MRI can get done very soon.at least you will know a heck of alot more about it than you do right now ya know?take care hon and please let us know how things are going,K? Marcia
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Re: Hurts to breathe,pain under & around scapula

Hey Sammy,

I am so ssorry to hear that you are still having all this trouble!

Refresh a little here...
I can not remember when you are supposed to see a specialist.

I know that this has just been such a long road for all this to get figured out for you.

I just wanted to post and let you know that I am thinking of you and saying a little prayer that this will get sorted out when you see the new Doc.

For now just try to hang in....In Spirit....Chrissy

 
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Feelbad & Chrissy, Whatever this is the pain is EXCRUCIATING! I just start throbbing. I hate getting out of bed in the morning. It is definantly getting worse. pain is radiating further from shoulder area up the neck & down further in to the ribs & entire scapula region. The pectoral area is so sore its unreal. Told my husband after another morning of dry heaves I cant take this any more.
I put a post up on MRI's & such but it was moved so guess I'll try again here. This is completely out of control. I am going to see the Rehab. doc in the morning & telling him I can't take this any more. I just burst into tears this morning waiting for this pain med to kick in. I can't even let the arm hang down at all, have to keep it in a sling to take the weight off the shoulder area. I guess if you think about it all this inflammation probably aggravates any other problems in the cervical area, kind of makes sense. Breathing is so darn painful. I have been taking advil along with the percocet to try to get some kind of relief from all this inflammation. It is so strange my left hand only turns cold or is drenched with sweat. My husband said I layed my left hand on his back in the night & it was ice cold. I dont dare try to lift this arm at all. I have lifted it accidently like in my sleep or in a hurry getting dressed & I'll hear a snapping or popping noise, weird.
When I think back in april, even before that,when this started hurting every day I was in the doctors every couple days, they would give me a shot for inflammation & send me home, no tests, no good exam for the longest time, even when they got around to finally doing an exam & found they could not raise my arm or touch certain areas they still never even sent me for a test, I get so angry wondering if all this could have been avoided. Now I will beg for help. I pray this ortho does something. I don't see how it can be avoided. I simply can't take it anymore.
I could hardly drive these past few days can't have the seatbelt touching me. So enough is enough. Today will be spent in the recliner icing for the day & praying tommorrow is better. Rehab. appointment tommorrow, surgeon dec 28. Thanks & wish me luck! I will try the lido patches again today in the back area, Heck I'll try anything. Sammy

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Re: Hurts to breathe,pain under & around scapula

track down some biofreeze sammy.between the lidopatches and that stuff,it is the only thing that is keeping me from wanting to tear my arm off.i answered your other post hon,marcia
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Hi ladies,

I am so sorry to hear how much pain you all are in. Marcia are they going to do anything about your shoulder? Forgive me if I am not up to pace with everything!
Sammy what day is your appointment?
I can not wait for you to be seen and to get some answers and a direction to go in.
This has been such a long draged out thing for you.
I surely can realte to that. My neck issues are being taken care of a lot faster than the arm/Workers comp thing. Boy Howdy was that a long bummpy road.
I just know that their is hope for all of us to be better.
I too have pain around the scapula area but ever since the PM did a few rounds of trigger points around that area it has gotten better. Not to mention the ESI's I had in the neck.
I have noticed that it has been creeping its way back in the last few weeks.

Just so you all know I am sending you both a big huge HUG and an angel!!

In Spirt...Chrissy

 
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Oh, Sammy, I do feel so bad for you. When I read your posts it just amazes me that nobody has found out what is going on with you. Goodness, with losing the use of your arm, and all that pain, and having dry heaves, it is a wonder you are able to function at all. I am not half as bad as you, and there are days I feel so tired and weak from having the every day pain. I hope the rehab doc can do something to help relieve a little of the pain for you. I know your anxiously awaiting the appointment on the 28th; try to take it easy till then. I know it is going to be hard with Christmas right around the corner, but you hang in there! Thinking of you and wishing you well.

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chab, so good to hear from you, back for another MRI on thursday. I can't believe this either. I am so sick of pain. At least I knew I would get control at some point during the day but lately that is not the case. Rehab. doc put me on stronger meds (scary) said I am his only patient on them. I just feel sick trying to battle this darn pain. Believe it or not back in to see rehab.doc christmas eve morning to find out the latest MRI results, he is trying to make sure nothing is pressing on an artery. My husband will be going to the next couple appointments with me, thank god, I can't stand to drive at times. poor guy he said last night he can't stand to see me in this kind of pain. I have to say lately I feel exhausted & I do believe it is just from trying to get through the days, can't figure out why this has gotten so out of control. I don't know if I can get anymore injections but I am going to ask chritmas eve morning the thought of not enjoying christmas morning with my girls tears me up. I am old fashion when it comes to the holidays & I try to make good memories. What is the next step for you? I hope you never have to go through what I am experiancing, so take it easy & stay on top of any problems. Sammy

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