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Old 11-14-2008, 12:49 AM   #1
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Bone Spurs - MRI RESULTS

I just recieved my results and it says i have three bone spurs a bulging disc at c5-6 and spinal stenosis. I am seeing my primary care dr so can anybody tell me the next step. I had MRi done because my neck hurts and i have had terrible headaches for 3 weeks plus I have numbness in pinky finger on left hand. Please help I can't stand these headaches and this neck pain
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Old 11-14-2008, 06:02 AM   #2
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Re: MRI. Can anyone translate?

I am not sure if you saw my other post, but I had surgery for mine on November 4th. Your symptoms sound like mine, only left focused and mine was right. They did an anterior cervical diskectomy and fusion with allograft and plating. I am still pretty uncomfortable and still taking pain meds, but my headaches are gone and my right arm is no longer numb and tingling.

Hopefully they will refer you to a neurosurgeon. They tried cortisone injections, but they did not help me. Everyone is different though so don't rule it out if they suggest it.

I was terrified during this whole ordeal due to the pain and symptoms I was having, the fact it was from my neck and everything that could happen if the damage increases, etc. Not knowing what they would eventually have to do unnerved me. I understand how you are feeling. Surgery terrified me as well, but I felt I had no choice at this point. I am sure once I come through recovery and no longer need my percocet, I will be feeling more confident over my decision.

There are a lot of great people on this board, so don;t hesitate to post your concerns and fears and questions.... e-mail me also if you want more one on one.

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Old 11-14-2008, 04:46 PM   #3
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Re: MRI. Can anyone translate?

Thank you so much. I have not read what you posted but I am going to look for it as soon as I finish this. I am thankful for a place that I can ask questions and not be judged. The only person I have to talk to is my husband,don't get me wrong he is wonderful but i know he is tired of hearing me complain and ask him questions. He tells me all the time "Honey, I don't know any more than you do".
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Old 11-15-2008, 08:37 AM   #4
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Re: MRI. Can anyone translate?

I can so relate to what you are saying! My husband had lumbar spine surgery many years ago and it was not successful. It was difficult to speak with him as his thoughts were always never do surgery unless you can no longer walk. :-) He has been very supportive and is constantly reminding me not to do anything yet. When I do complain now that I thought I would be better an dore mobile by now he tells me he knew it would be awhile.

I hope you find your answers. Not knowing is worse than knowing. I am a planner, so I had to have all the pieces so I could make my plans.

Please keep us posted. And ask away.... everyone here is very helpful and sympathetic.

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Re: MRI. Can anyone translate?

just exactly where do you have the bone spurs with regards to the c spine levels? i am only asking because the c 5-6 would actually only innervate the radial side(the thumb and the forefinger?) the area of affectation where you have symptoms is correlated with the c 8 (ulnar)nerve totally on the opposite side of where your herniation would affect,you know what i mean? the way our c spines innervate can in some cases be highly individual and totally correlated to how your specific nerves are layed out,not everyones nerves are exactly the textbook or normal but are usually pretty close. i am just wondering what your MRI report stated about any findings around that c7-8 or even T1 areas? you do not actually have a c 8 vertebrae but you do have a c 8 nerve,and that IS the one that would correlate with having the pinkie finger affected. that is something you really need to look at your report about. it could be stenosis or bone spurs or 'something' that is affecting that nerve area in some way,but something IS affecting that ulnar,c 8 nerve in some way in order for you to just feel what you are in that pinkie.

its just kind of far from the area of your herniation at the c 5 6 ya know? that would usually give you some problems with the thumb and forefinger. could you type out just what the MRI report states in the very end in that summary? it would help in trying to help you figure this out. this is just where all of the hard findings in the radiologists impression are listed. this is just pretty far spaced from the area it would normally be at(any problems).

i seriously would ask to be referred to a good neurosurgeon for at least a consult and eval of your symptoms. you DO need to see what an actual specialist just has to say and how he or she reads your films as well. some findings that are interpretted by only the radiologist just may or may not be what the actual specialist sees. believe me, some findings can be very different when ininterpretted by a real specialist who does the surgeries as opposed to a radiologist who doesn't. alot also depends upon level of experience and overall knowledge of the interpretting rad too,as well as most specialists. it is merely 'their' impression of your films and taking all symptoms into account too. this is why you do need to get another read/opinion of your situation and films. not all neuros or orthos or radiologists are created equal either. just getting the opinions really helps in fiding out all your best options at this point.

if you could post that MRI summary,it would really help to help you. marcia
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Old 12-09-2008, 01:06 AM   #6
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My husband had a large bone spur and a cervical fusion preformed on C4,C5,
C6 and C7 one and a half years ago. He was in surgery for five hours and spent a couple of weeks in the hospital on the rehab unit. This was his second cervical surgery, the 1st being in Sept of 2006, which the surgeon bascially did two levels and told him to go back to work. He neglected to inform us of the large bone spur pressing into his spinal cord. We would have never known about it if the 2nd nuro surgeon had not preformed a mylogram of his cervical spine. His fusion was done from the front and he has got a lot of hardware that makes it difficult for him to swallow, and his voice has changed from the 2nd surgery. He was unable to swallow after the second surgery for about 3 months and had a feeding tube for that period of time. He no longer works, and is on social security disability. Since the first surgery in 2006 he has experienced burning sensation from his waist to his toes on his left side, and it continues to get worse. The nuro surgeon told us that he would have this probably for the rest of his life due to his spinal cord damage and the stenosis. At this time he is going to a pain clinic, the docs at the pain clinic have tried several drugs, at this time he is on Kadain, a type of morphine that is time released, but it is not having any affect with the burning sensation he is experiencing. The pain docs are going to send him to a bigger pain clinic, and wants him to have a dorsal stimulator. My husband is not so sure this is what he wants, but decided he would try it. If this does not work, he said he will just have to live with the pain. Does anyone have any suggestions !!!!

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Re: Bone Spurs - MRI RESULTS

I feel horrible for your husband, he seems like he has had his fill of it. I have just found out that I have bone spurs around L3 and L4 wherever that is. I just thought I could offer some suggestions for the burning pain. Lyrica is made for the burning pain, it is something that he can take with the Kadian and if he is still in pain they can give him back up hydrocodone or percocet. It's a lot but he has been through a lot. Tell him I send him prayers and thoughts. I have 2 buldging disks, bone spurs, osteoarthritis, endometriosis, bladder disease, brain tumor and on and on. Sometimes though the surgeries will make things much better for the person or much worse. People I know don't believe me when I say that but it is very true.
Where is his current pain clinic?

 
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Re: Bone Spurs - MRI RESULTS

deb,honestly,have you discussed possibe legal action against that first doc who actually failed to do anything about the biggest issue he actually had there,the spinal cord compression?? that really IS appalling. do you have a copy of that original MRI report from the first one? if you do could you please type out just what that summary stated about the level of compression at the very end of that report? if you don;t have every single MRI and also all the medical records from this first doc and the surgery too(all the info at the hospital in his central medical file including the very important "op notes") you really do need to obtain all this and go thru it yourselves. thats a pretty huge thing to not mention or bother to correct before something even worse could have taken place. thats just really sick,honeslty.

what your hubby is suffering with that horrid burning? this could be what is called 'central pain syndrome" it can happen when the spinothalamic tract gets damaged within the cord itself. you have one tract right directly behind the spine(right where the compression probably was) and another left lateral. i have this horrid pain syndrome too. just look up central pain syndrome and see how his symptoms match. the suggestionof lyrica is a good one. i used this for a while but it gave me some side effects that were not tolerable,but i also have a kidney disease too. he may not have any side effects at all from it. it IS the only med that actually even began to touch my central pain and another pain syndrome i have that does not respond to narcotics either called RSD? i seriously would give that lyrica a good try and see how it works for him. working with a good knowledgable pain doc can do wonders for treatine even the worst of the worst types of pain. my PM saved me from alot of agony over the years. i am just so sorry this happened to your husband at all. it should have been fixed at the first surgery since this was the bigger issue at the time from what you have stated here. it really needs some looking into legally considering the pain and suffering and what could have occured if this other doc had not fixed this for him. geez.

i am trying to figure out just why this burning starts so far below the actual level of injury. that IS very odd to say the least. does he have anything further up at all like what he has from the waist down? usually,any bizzarre stuff will start right at the level of injury and go down right from there. i too have a spinal cord injury. what other symptoms is he experiencing right now? how is his response to hot or cold when it is placed upon various areas of his body from the level of injury on down? can he feel the difference at all or do they feel kind of neutral? any leg spasticity or overly hyper reflexes? just trying to get the whole picture here thats all. Marcia
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:21 PM   #9
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Re: Bone Spurs - MRI RESULTS

Marcia,

I have not been on for awhile with working and Christmas and all. His pain doc did send him to another specialist, as he wanted him to have a dorsal stimulater. The specialist that we went to told us he would not be a canidate for the stimulater. The specialsit that we went to reviewed his MRI results from post surgery (second one) and told us the spinal damage was in his cervical spine area, and since they implant the stimulator in the lower back it would not work for him. My husband current surgeon had tried a trail pain pump and it did nothing for my husband. The specialist told us that the pain pump did not work because the damage was, like I said up higher. The specialist told my husband the only treatment would be what the pain doctor is doing now, which he has but him on morphine, and increases the dosage weekly. My husbannd leg still burns the same and some days worse, even with the morphine. The only thing is by night time he is so drugged that he can at least sleetp. There are nights though that he can not sleep even how doopy he gets. The second surgeon did tell us that there was nothing he could do for the burning, but to dope his up. He does have mucsle spasm in that leg, the leg also jubs and skips, he take baclofer four times a day for this and it does help, on his bad day nothing help. My husband has been on Lyrica, but his CPK has been elevated extemely high and the docs took him off of it. I take it for my legs and it is a pretty good drug, but like you said it has a lot of side effects. The Lyrica did help my husband a little, as he took that and methadone. My husband can not stand cold or hot on his left side as it makes his leg burn worse and when his leg burns , it becomes weaker. He told me a couple of days ago that his left leg was getting weaker every day, when I call the pain doc at the begininig of next week I am going to tell him about it. His pain doc is really good and truly wants to help my husband, the last time we were there to see him, he spent about an hour on the phone to different doctors trying to get him in some where. The specialist we did see also told us that the leg does not really burn, it is the nerve damage and his brain sending messages to the nerves, I really did not under stand it when he was explaining it to us. He also told my husband, that he could wake up tomorrow and the burning in his left side would be gone, or it could be 10 years or never, he said with spinal cord injuries you could never tell. His current surgeon told us that we would probably know in two years the outcome, this May will be two years. I guess we will see what happens,

I will have to look throught the medical records that I have and see if the first MRI report is in there. I do not beleive in sueing doctors, unless they are not truthful (which his first surgeon wasn't), but we did contact a lawer and spent 2500.00, to have an expert tell us that the first surgeon had did the surgery that he said he would do. I do not think we hired the right lawer and now our time has run out to do anything about it. My husband did get his social security disability, it took us two years to get it and we had to hire a lawyer to get that,but the judge did give him two years of back pay.

Thank so much for all the information you have given me. It is helpful when I talk to people that are going through the same thinkg, I know it is hard ao him, but it is also hard on the whole family, especially when he is haveing a bad day. Which I think he is haveing more often

Thanki again,

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Re: Bone Spurs - MRI RESULTS

He does take hyrodcodone 10/500 with Kadaine. He was tried on Lyrica, but his CPK levels were our of wack, and the doctors got scared and took his off of it. He did say he could tell a little difference after he went off of it. The docs have tried all kinds of meds with him. He is afraid to go off of the pain meds, he thinks the burning will be more than he can stand. We live in the midwest and we go to Blessing Hospital in Quincy, Ill. I will say his pain doc is trying everything he can with him. After the trail for a pain pump, which was not successful, his surgeon told him that there was nothing more he could do for him. The surgeon told him that any more back suregery would only make him worse. He did a MRI of his lower back where he had done the lamintecomy (sp?)and he said that he had a lot of scar tissue. I do not know how he lives with it, I sure could not. I do not know how you do it either. My prayers are with you.

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I just recieved my results and it says i have three bone spurs a bulging disc at c5-6 and spinal stenosis. I am seeing my primary care dr so can anybody tell me the next step. I had MRi done because my neck hurts and i have had terrible headaches for 3 weeks plus I have numbness in pinky finger on left hand. Please help I can't stand these headaches and this neck pain
Hi mikeandlisa I recently had an MRI done after years of no insurance and no money for dr.s and had tremendous pain in arms and severe numbness in both hands. It wasn't until my legs began shaking and I could barely write my name that I was able to get mediCal and low and behold guess what I have bone spurs penetrating and compressing my spinal cord at c6 and c7 as well as the stenosis and because the SSA sent me to a quack I have to live with it because I also have pulmonary hypertension and if they did surgery they would have to put me on a ventelator and would not be able to get me off it. Years ago I had tremendous headaches lasting 11 days, then I had a period when paralyasis would set in if I slept on my right arm, then came the tingling in my hands when driving or sewing, and the locking spasms of my thumb and index fingers and the pain running up and down my arms that would awaken me in the night and now the permanent numbness of my right hand except for the shocklike pains I feel in my hands at various times. I am afraid of the future for fear I will eventually loose the use of both hands. I saw a Neurologist, whom I was referred to by my primary care DR. the Neurologist did nerve studies on my arms and neck after the MRI and she refurred me to a Neurosurgeon
I hope you can get some help.

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Re: Bone Spurs - MRI RESULTS

Hi Deb, My mother has the same problems after spinal surgery. The Dr. did all that he could do but the nerves had been damged for so long they will never be the same. There is one drug that might help elavil is an anti depressant that will calm the nerves in some cases. I had ulnar nerve entrapment in my right elbow that made shock like pain travel from my elbow to my right little finger and the one next to it and after taking elevil for about two months there was no more pain. My brother also takes it for a nerve severed in his abdomen during a hernia surgery and it works for him as well. You might try this option. good luck and god bless you and your family.

 
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