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Old 03-22-2009, 11:19 AM   #1
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Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

Anyone know with a pinched nerve or muscle strain in your neck

(my symptoms: shoulder pain, neck pain radiating into face with headaches, occassional tingling/numbness in neck & twitching below shoulder)

why having a few beers would make that pain extreme and uncontrollable?

Typically, I'm okay taking Darvocet & Ibuprofen but I found out in a really bad way that I had to quit drinking to keep that pain under control.

I do not understand it.

I am not a heavy drinker either, I just liked one a day to calm my anxiety. Even that makes the pain worse, yet it takes a few to really spin things out of control. But GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. It's not fair!

 
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Re: Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

one 'possibilty" here,and this IS only one possible connection. from what you have described here it sounds like this is more symptomatic in the head/face,then goes down into the neck area? the only real connestion i know of between alcohol and the brain and what "could' possibly be exascerbating symptoms would be right where the alcohol has its strongest impact,the cerebellum. the anti siezure types of meds that are used most often in trying to actually control the more obscure/neuropathic/ nerve related type pain also hit that cerebellum hard, that is where they DO their work once they are metabolized.

when you consider just that alone, while i don't truely understand that whole mode of action, i would imagine since the two things do their "work" in that very same area, there has to be something within that cerebellum that does have a direct impact upon nerves in some way. do you understand what i am trying to say?

its just that alcohol very very much hits the cerebellum and that is what also governs some vision,our gait and our priopercetion. that is why all those things get so screwed up when alcohol is on board. the tests that the cops do when you get pulled over for a suspected DWI are all related to just how alcohol impacts that cerebellum too. alcohol just slowly anesthetizes the brain and makes it go to 'sleep".

but i digress, i really do think that simply obtaing an MRI on your brain and that c spine area could possibly reveal what may be connecting these two things. it just very much sounds like you do have some level of nerve involvement here in some way at some level. that MRI just may reveal it much better than any other type of test for now. using the contrast too would help alot in just helping to better highlight areas that don't really show up all that well upon plain MRI,espescially when you are looking into the brain itself. hope i didn't confuse you even more. i am like that sometimes. please keep me posted, Marcia
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Old 03-23-2009, 09:22 AM   #3
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Re: Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

I have had alot of headaches from just one beer. I can't say what starts first, the neck or face pain. It seems though the upper part of my neck is causing the facial pain. Without the alcohol, it begins in my neck but doesn't take long before it hurts elsewhere. I would have to drink again to figure that out & it's not worth it. It did get so bad that I couldn't hold my head up without it hurting & went to a chriopracter for awhile having my bones cracked for relief of pain.

Yes I understand somewhat. I was wondering if maybe I developed an allergy but maybe I didn't. Or what if it was my liver?

I also kept getting urinary tract infections and my bladder went insane until I quit drinking.

The idea of drinking one a day for anxiety turned out to not be such a good idea..

I will talk to my doctor about it when I see him again but I seriously doubt he's going to suggest an MRI or any type of testing whatsover.

I have fibromyalgia. He will assume anything wrong with me is likely nothing more than something that is unexplainable.

But it's okay, if he can keep my pain calm, I won't complain. Last time I saw him, I talked to him about this whole neck/face/headache issue. At the time, the tingling/numbness wasn't occuring right there where I was hurting & I wasn't having twitches but the pain would get so out of control, nothing would help, but taking 3 Ambien at a time, so I'd pass out, until the pain went away. I've only had one time since to have this pain go out of control again, and it was because of the beer I drank.

I've always liked to occassionally drink, I think that is a habit I will have to kiss goodbye.

I have something on my liver, what appears as decreased attenuation & a 1.2cm spot, of what, I do not know, cyst, tumor? My gastro finds it necessary enough to do a contrast CT this summer. However if she is thinking something silly like cancer, there's no way. It's been there for awhile. I do not lose weight without trying, I gain. Went from 145 to 160 lbs lately. Hopefully it's nothing though, I hate to think my liver might be diseased from all that drinking I did when I was a teenager. It hasn't grown and there isn't any other tumors there. So if she thought there was even a small possibility of it being cancer, makes no sense. I hope she's not that silly. Still, I worry what if there is some disease process. Well heck, my liver function tests are okay. My liver enzymes are normal 99% of the time. So who cares.

I like your explaination the best. LOL. Thank you for helping.

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Re: Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

OMG the pain is coming back today. OR last night it really started in, not that I couldn't tolerate it, but I've about reached that point today.

No, I haven't been drinking.

But what if your right, would a medication that blocks nerve pain likely help this problem?

My doctor had me on Darvocet/Flexeril for awhile and it helped for awhile, then we went to Darvocet/Ibuprofen and it has helped keep the pain from getting worse, except for the incident with the beer, and today, it's not phasing me.

He gave me Lortab but I gave the prescription back. It doesn't phase this pain. He talked about putting me on Percocet I think, but it was just talk.

Okay by me because I don't want a strong + addictive pain pill. I just want the pain controlled without having to swallow down 3 sleeping pills at a time.

I wouldn't even let him prescribe me that stuff. He'd probaby think then I was just making this up to get on the junk. I don't know. It's hard to say what he thinks... He's such a sweet doctor, you wouldn't think he'd be one of those jerky doctors that do that, but then again, you never know.

But that's not the case. I am seriously doing some suffering. I think I'll ask him about the medication to block nerve pain though. And that way he won't think I'm some kind of alcoholic drug addict. LOL.

Maybe it'll work ???????

 
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Re: Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

I had a case of Lyme Disease, which also caused my fibromyagia years ago, and also triggered problems with alcohol and exerbation of symtoms and body aches and whatnot. I had tiredness and sleepiness, then sleeplessness the farther it progressed and I also had neurological symtoms like you describe.

Just something to think about or if you were tested for things like that prior to your fibro diagnosis. Just tripped a memory in my brain so I figured I'd post you.

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Re: Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

anything is worth testing when you are just trying to find reasons for something. it couldn't hurt to get checked for possible lyme. go to the brain boards, there is someone there named bethsheba who REALLY appears to be one of the most informed people i have ever chatted with here on the ins and outs of actual lyme disease and what IS possible to show as symptoms. i am sure she would help answer any questions you may have about it. its just something else to check out as a possible reason/cause of your ongoing symptoms. at this point you just need testing and ruling out of any possibe causes.

has your doc ever tried the med lyrica on you just to see if it may work? this is also in the anti siezure type med area that could show some relief of your symptoms. there are other anti S meds that can also be tried like neurontin,gabitril among many others. this would really be a good way to just see if anything got better? it would take about at least one month on these types of meds to really tell whether or not it would help. its just they way they work, but i DO think it would be something that could help and should at least be tried given what appears to set off things in you. just a suggestion. and they are NON addictive in nature too.

what exactly did they say the issue was with your liver? the most likely or most common type of finding that some people just have or are actually born with that could be what it is you actually have is a hemangioma. my mom has one in her liver too. i actually had one of these little SOBs grow inside of my spinal cord that i also was just born with. i just did not have a freaking clue it was even there til i just happened to herniate the disc right above it in my c spine. thats when it just showed up on my MRI.

from what you have described here i really don't think that what you have going on is really an overall liver issue. as luck would have it,i have both a liver and kidney disease i am dealing with and my youngesdt son went into "suprise" liver failure at age 12 back in 99 which required a liver transplant in 2000,so i unfortuently do have some good knowledge about liver problems too. experience is such a good but crappy teacher.

in all honesty here, if you have that type of doc who is soo tunnel visioned to actually dump every problem you have on one condition 'just" because you actually have it, you NEED to move on to another primary who will take ALL of your ongoing and new symptoms much more seriously. if this is the way your current doc thinks ,i can almost guarentee you that you will never actually find out all the really important things you simply need to. i would lose this doc in a heartbeat if i came in complaning of what you are and he simply blew me and my symptoms off to something i already had with NO testing to just see where they are stemming from? that is NOT what a good caring primary does for their patients,trust me. there are many many more caring and compassionate docs out there who would take all your symptoms much more seriously and actually try and find the cause of them. thankfully with all my medical nightmares i have had to deal with, my primary has always taken anything i tell him very seriously and immediately sends me fort he right testing or the right type of specialist. any good primary just knows when something is way over their own heads and does this for their patients. that is what their job is ya know?

i really would seriously consider moving onto another primary if this is the type of doc he is. it will get YOU no where actually staying there with him. just my personal opinion here given having to see a ton of docs over the years. had some really wonderful ones and lazy ones too. you just need the right help here in order to find out what is going on inside your own body. and that would include at least a contrasted MRI done on your brain and c spine just to start. how have your actual kidney functions been given the history with infections and the liver issue too? marcia
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Re: Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

lyme is a bite from a tick on a deer, right? now i may have been exposed to ticks when i was younger from my cats & dogs, i had like 19 cats at one time, but not a deer tick. that is something I have never been checked for.

i was just recently browsing info about Lyrica because it treats Fibromyalgia. i never tried it but want to. yea i think that's a better idea than ordering expensive tests on me that probably wouldn't show nothing anyways. lol.

they haven't said what is wrong with my liver. ct's have been showing decreased attenuation & a 1.2 cm spot. i have to have a ct with contrast study to find out what it is. it's been there for years and it hasn't always been there, i wasn't born with this. i believe my liver is okay but still i pee lime to dark green urine for a week. it makes you wonder just a little bit.

my kidneys are okay, i just had to deal with kidney stones for years, now they're all gone. but the pain never went away. there's pressure there when i can't pee good but still they hurt sometimes without reason. i even feel urine sometimes in my side, it is so weird. my left one stays tender. my hips hurt off & on all the time. my bladder is a pain in the XXXXXXX. there is one time i was concerned if my kidneys were working right & I was too sick to get off the couch and get ready & go to the hospital. but it was over a medication i was taking, i developed a fixed specific gravity of 1.010 and i couldn't eat or drink anything, i got really sick. it was just the medication though.

my doctor is not a jerk. he's the one you ought to feel sorry for, not me. talk about taking it overboard in driving someone nuts because you can't deal with your health problems.

all doctors, around here anyways, dump your problems, whatever they may be, on your current condition. it kind of means you've already been through one test after another, the problem has already been figured out.

honestly, all i'd have to do is ask him, and he wouldn't say no. he's too nice to say no but i don't want him doing something unless he finds it necessary, so i'm not going to ask.

i don't want another physician. i like the one i have. LOL.

i can't say for sure if there's a problem in my neck. but i don't think really that i have a pinched nerve, though i think there is a high possibility i am having nerve pain shooting through me. it kind of feels like my blood veins or blood vessels, whatever it be, swell, causing pain in my face. with the location of the pain in my shoulders/upper back, it's very likely a muscular issue, and not anything to do with my spine.

my daughter is having the same problem (tingling + headaches), but she's also getting dizzy. and i have been short of breath for months. maybe it's because we were exposed to chemicals from meth, the neighbors that got busted lived about 20 feet away from us.

i used to also have severe pain in the upper part of my face, & horrible pressure in my nose, constant congestion & never could breathe quite right, with blood always coming out of my nose when I'd blow it, it was diagnosed as myofacial pain by a neurologist. my ent doctor (one told me, the other thought he should keep it secret for some reason) that i had turbinate hypertrophy. well they swared this wouldn't cause my pain and wouldn't do anything, expect my first ENT tried treating the symptoms with meds, but he said no way to surgery. well money talks because when i was willing to pay for it myself, he had no problem doing it. now i have a bill to the hospital for $15000 i didn't know i'd owe. but that pain, went away & I can breathe so much better. the pain was blamed on by my ENT's as TMJ or migrane headaches, another neurologist said she thought it was due to the nerves in my face radiating pain.

still I suffer with lower facial pain when the neck pain occurs. i only had TMJ through constant episodes of chewing gum when i was trying to quit smoking. that day is long and gone.

but i have been evaluated by a neuro before. MRI brain scan was normal. and no contrast was used.

is it unlikely your nerves if there is no tumor on your brain?

i mean, there are people that know me that would definetly say I need a brain scan. lol. for a joke and for real.

i have found myself doing things i didn't know i was doing, actually didn't know i was in the world, and then my brain would start functioning again & i would think to myself how the xxx did i get here & why can't i remember it.

or try opening your front door on 6 different occassions with your key to your car where you press the button and unlock it.

taking a drive and your brain not telling you, you need to stop at that stop sign, or stop behind a car when they stop

i've improved as far as that goes but it's more than obvious my brain doesn't function too well.

maybe it's the severity of the fatigue that does that

liver & kidney disease. i am not the one that should be sitting here complaining, you should be.

you could take every bad day I've had since I've gotten sick and put it together, isn't as bad as the day I had that reaction to that medication & thought it may have been affecting my kidney function.

i don't know how you do it.

and i'll tell my doctor he needs treated for tunnel vision. LOL.

 
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Re: Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

i looked up lyme disease online and i have never had such a rash you get with that

rosespetal, did you ever get that rash? how was you tested for this?

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Re: Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

Monday morning I am asking my doctor for Lyrica & medication to treat migranes. I am going to try one before trying the other. I hope one of them helps. I have had a headache ongoing 3 days straight now. I'm about ready to just get cleaned up and go to a local hospital while I am getting a little relief, not that that's saying much.

I don't know if more than one thing might be causing this pain, but I had a migrane to kill today, obviously a headache is more capable of causing problems than I thought it was.

 
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Re: Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

glad you are going to be asking for some meds ,just wanted to make certain(like you mentioned you weren't) that you DO NOT ever ever start two new meds at the very same time. they just can effect each other and if you DO happen to get side effects from one, or even both you really don't know for certain which one or if the combo is doing it. its really best to start the one and let that go for about a month just to see what occurs. some meds, espescially the anti S meds and some preventitive types of migrane meds just both take time to do their work in our brains. but if you are just going to be trying the "abortive' type of migrane meds,thats a bit different since it is a take as needed type thing. i too get ugly nasty migrane headaches sinvce like the very second i hit puberty way back at age 13. do you get the pre migrane 'aura" at all? this uis where the abortives work the best. the second you start 'feeling' that aura beginmthat is when you take two of the meds and then follow up like every hour with one more til the headache is gone. i have only always used the med "midrin' for mine. it came out back in 81 as the first abortive. geez the difference between my 12 hour agony was dropped down to onlt 45 min andf i could actually function. it gave me my life back,really.

depending upon just how your normal migranes "present' will dictate the very best way to try and treat them. anf i really DO think that giving lyrica a try may help. but just remember it may take a couple weeks,tho i got results the very next day after starting it on my RSD knee. it took some of the swelling out. really shocked me since nothing, even two seperate surgeries ever got rid of that,but lyrica did.

i am just wondering if when you had the kidney issues going on,did they ever actually do any type of real scan on them just to really 'see' what they "looked' like? another thing i am wondering about given the symptoms you mentioned in just this last post? getting an ultrasound done on the blood vessels within your neck area using the doppler tool just to check the real actal bloodflow thru those carotids i really do think just needs to be done. what you have described just could possibly be a reduced bloodflow thru those to your brain kind of thing(any o2 deficiency could be showing with the types of symptoms you are having)? a doppler would show what is going on inside those vessels,at least within that neck area. anything above that would have to go with either an MRA or MRI with a contrasting agent to really see if every vessel is clear. but its just one of those possibilities that given your symptoms right now, really needs ruling out. in most areas of our body, when checking blood flow thru vessels, it really does not take a huge thing like MRA or MRI to see that. any vessels that flow other than within the brain are pretty easily looked into with a simple cheaper ultrasound just done with that doppler. i have had this done many times in various areas.

they "could" also do an abdominal US on your liver,kidneys and the bladder while you re there too just to see into some of your more "problematic' areas you have. it can all be done at one visit with seperate orders written. not too big of a problem there,trust me. i have had to have many USs over the years just to monitor cysts developing within and on both kidneys and liver. they also always check my portal vein within my liver to make certain no cysts are starting to impede bloodflow, using of course that doppler.

just some good suggestions for ya when you speak with your doc. make DARN SURE to mention each and every "head,neck" symptom to him the way you explained it here. it will help getting that very needed US done on those carotids in your neck. i do wish you luck at the appt. please let me know how things go hon. Marcia
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Re: Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

hi, first time asking a question not sure if I am on the right spot, but here goes.

have major neck and shoulder pain on left side, some numbing down the arm, had nerve blocks but still pain, had an mri done and it showed c7 t1 (this is from the report) In the right neural foraman there is a low t1 bright t2 signal approx 9.6 mm craniocaudal x 7mm ap x 6mm transverse low t1 bright t2 signal lesion. In the left neural foramen there is a simular appearing smaller lesion... going to neurosurgeon on the 20th, and getting another mri with contrast, but I am wondering if anyone has an idea of what this is, I can't find any information on the internet. sorry so long can't wait to hear response.... thanks

 
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Re: Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

In case anyone else comes across this thread while googling "shoulder/neck pain worsened by alcohol," I wanted to add some information about the unique link between alcohol induced neck pain and Hodgkin's Lymphoma, a cancer of the lymph nodes.

Pain the neck, back, or chest that starts after drinking a small amount of alcohol and then subsides within a half hour--- is a very rare but very specific symptom of Hodgkin's. The good news it that its usually a very early symptom if that's what it is. The other good news is that Hodgkin's, while very serious, has a very high cure rate.

Other symptoms (although you may not have them --I didn't) could be night sweats, fever, unexplained weight loss, or a hard swollen lymph node (clavicle area, groin, neck).

Here is a medical article explaining the symptom (be sure to click through to the 2nd page as well, where it described the symptom). http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1010854/?page=1

Ask your doctor about running some tests.Typically blood work and ultra sounds are not enough. A chest x-ray would be a good place to start but a biopsy (surgical not needle) is the only way to get a definite diagnosis.

 
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Anyone know with a pinched nerve or muscle strain in your neck

(my symptoms: shoulder pain, neck pain radiating into face with headaches, occassional tingling/numbness in neck & twitching below shoulder)

why having a few beers would make that pain extreme and uncontrollable?

Typically, I'm okay taking Darvocet & Ibuprofen but I found out in a really bad way that I had to quit drinking to keep that pain under control.

I do not understand it.

I am not a heavy drinker either, I just liked one a day to calm my anxiety. Even that makes the pain worse, yet it takes a few to really spin things out of control. But GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. It's not fair!

 
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Re: Shoulder & Neck Pain made worse by alcohol

I have the exact same problem. I've had neck pain from a car accident for over 20 years. I have been on and tried everything, including nerve ablation which gave relief for only a few months. My neck ALWAYS has pain, but I can't drink a glass of wine without experiencing worse cramping in my neck. I pretty much think I just can't have a glass of wine anymore (that's really all I drink) Any suggestions would be welcomed.

 
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