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Old 04-14-2009, 09:24 PM   #1
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shoulder blade, elbow, palm, ring finger pain

For quite some time now (years) I have been suffering from sometimes, excruitating pain. It might last 20 min, maybe hours. I've been taking 2 tramacet with 1 carbamazipine, no more than 3 times a day. Lately these medications haven't been working but Tylenol #2 does.
I use a muscle mist spray & a Chinese spray that is supposed to numb the pain. Sometimes it works. I use ice packs - I'm not sure if they work but at least they make me feel like I'm doing something.
I'm not sure when, but I missed my footing as I was climbing onto a counter,fell & hit the back of my head on a hard wooden kitchen chair.
Most dr's said this has nothing to do with the pain but I think it does.
I've tried accupuncture, laser treatments, my chiropractor, two massage therapists, a heart dr (he said not my heart), had my thryoid checked (a biopsy taken - take medication), been to the emergency room of the hospital with pain more times than I can count, seen about 10 drs, seen a neuroloigst, four epilspsy specialists (I've had 3 seizures in 10 yrs & take dilantin), a pain specialist, had MRI's, at least one CT scan & ex-rays & had my eyes checked. I've tried many kinds of medications (muscle relaxants, etc), morphine pills being one (didn't help) & yet I still suffer with pain.
I am right handed but this pain is always on my left side. But I have difficulty writing anything. My hand is not steady. I work in a restaurant but have to carry glasses of water, pop, etc in my left had as it's more steady.
Any idea what this might be? I know it's hard to diagnose without an examination but I'd sure appreciate any help I can get.
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Old 04-15-2009, 04:53 AM   #2
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Re: shoulder blade, elbow, palm, ring finger pain

Hi there not sure if this will help at all but I just spent 2nights in the hospital, I had the pain in the shoulder blade, elbow, wrist, the entire hand & fingers. Mostly the ring finger & middle. those 2 finger & the pinky were completley numb & tingling with a burning pain. The one thing that was mentioned to me is the Ulnar nerve. which runs through that area & effects those fingers. my surgeon wants me to have a EMG (nerve conduction test). It was extremely painful & my hand was stuck in a semifist postion. could not sqeeze of straighten the fingers out. I have alot of tingling & numbness in the ring & middle finger & my hand can stay cold. NOt sure if you ever had this looked into but thought I would mention it since some of your problems are like mine. Good luck. Sam

 
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Re: shoulder blade, elbow, palm, ring finger pain

when you mentioned the MRIs? just what showed up in there, anything? and most importantly, do YOU, yourself have possession of those MRI reports and any other types of testing reports too? if not, GET THEM and read thru them for yourself. depending upon who actually ordered those tests and what 'they merely felt' was pertinent or not, will depend upon what YOU, the patient actually gets told was even found. unfortunetly this just occurs wayyy too often, and it happened to me too. that is why obtaining ALL test reports yourself is sooo critical. how long ago was the last MRI done?

you just sound like you have VERY very clear symptoms of c 6, the median nerve to c 7, median/radial thru(or specifically at) the possible ulnar,c 8 nerve as well to some degree of involvement, more than likely right up in that c spine area. that whole lower end of your c spine could possibly all be involved in just what your symptoms are showng right now. its just the way the spinal nerves innervate going down the arm and into the hand/fingers.

depending upon what actually showed up on your previous MRIs and how long ago those were actually done, ell you could have a bunch of different possible issues hat would all cause what it is you are feeling right now. it really is just a matter of tracking back to the base, c spine/cord area to see what may be involved along the way.

but if you do not actually have every single report, along with also just obtaining ALL medical records from every single doc who has tested or laid hands on you, you really DO need this stuff and read thru everything right now to even see just what any given docs actual 'impressions' were/are about your problem up there. obtaing the docs actual clinic notes made after every single visit any doc has with any patient really gives YOU a much clearer insight as to what they may be thinking abpout any medical issue. it IS very enlightening to read thru that stuff. and right now,you simply NEED as much info about yourself and this issue as possible.

something is most definitely 'going on" up there,it just needs to be identified for you right now. please keep us posted polly. the one thing you just really DO need and deserve from any doc,is answers. good luck hon,marcia
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Old 04-15-2009, 12:40 PM   #4
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Re: shoulder blade, elbow, palm, ring finger pain

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when you mentioned the MRIs? just what showed up in there, anything? and most importantly, do YOU, yourself have possession of those MRI reports and any other types of testing reports too? if not, GET THEM and read thru them for yourself. depending upon who actually ordered those tests and what 'they merely felt' was pertinent or not, will depend upon what YOU, the patient actually gets told was even found. unfortunetly this just occurs wayyy too often, and it happened to me too. that is why obtaining ALL test reports yourself is sooo critical. how long ago was the last MRI done?

you just sound like you have VERY very clear symptoms of c 6, the median nerve to c 7, median/radial thru(or specifically at) the possible ulnar,c 8 nerve as well to some degree of involvement, more than likely right up in that c spine area. that whole lower end of your c spine could possibly all be involved in just what your symptoms are showng right now. its just the way the spinal nerves innervate going down the arm and into the hand/fingers.

depending upon what actually showed up on your previous MRIs and how long ago those were actually done, ell you could have a bunch of different possible issues hat would all cause what it is you are feeling right now. it really is just a matter of tracking back to the base, c spine/cord area to see what may be involved along the way.

but if you do not actually have every single report, along with also just obtaining ALL medical records from every single doc who has tested or laid hands on you, you really DO need this stuff and read thru everything right now to even see just what any given docs actual 'impressions' were/are about your problem up there. obtaing the docs actual clinic notes made after every single visit any doc has with any patient really gives YOU a much clearer insight as to what they may be thinking abpout any medical issue. it IS very enlightening to read thru that stuff. and right now,you simply NEED as much info about yourself and this issue as possible.

something is most definitely 'going on" up there,it just needs to be identified for you right now. please keep us posted polly. the one thing you just really DO need and deserve from any doc,is answers. good luck hon,marcia
The last MRI I had was in Jan '09. I was told there were white spots on my brain, but I've been told that before. I've been told it WASN'T MS, so I didn't need to worry. I do not have possession of the MRI results. Several were ordered by neurologists, 1 by an epilepsy specialist.

If I get them, will I understand them? I'm not a medical anything.

One neurologists said I had more than one thing wrong.

The pain specialist (that I waited 9 mths to see, drove 2 hrs & a bit) said I had nerve & muscle pain. I said "Good, what can we do about it?" He kind of shook his head & I asked him if I just had to suffer & he said "Pretty much." Not even close to the answer I hoped for.

'Something' is 'going on' - it's not just in my head - that much I'm sure of.

I'll do what I can to get the reports. Wish me well ...

Thank you for both that got back to me. It's nice to know I'm not alone.

 
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Re: shoulder blade, elbow, palm, ring finger pain

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Hi there not sure if this will help at all but I just spent 2nights in the hospital, I had the pain in the shoulder blade, elbow, wrist, the entire hand & fingers. Mostly the ring finger & middle. those 2 finger & the pinky were completley numb & tingling with a burning pain. The one thing that was mentioned to me is the Ulnar nerve. which runs through that area & effects those fingers. my surgeon wants me to have a EMG (nerve conduction test). It was extremely painful & my hand was stuck in a semifist postion. could not sqeeze of straighten the fingers out. I have alot of tingling & numbness in the ring & middle finger & my hand can stay cold. NOt sure if you ever had this looked into but thought I would mention it since some of your problems are like mine. Good luck. Sam
Thanks for replying.

I do not have tingling, numb or burning pain, just pain. I don't even know how to describe it anymore. But it hurts like the dickens.

My hand doesn't get cold, I just can't keep the ice packs on as long as need to because they're just too cold on my skin.

But my pain is in most of the locations yours are in also. The middle & pinky finger don't hurt but the ring finger does.

 
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Re: shoulder blade, elbow, palm, ring finger pain

i think your PM is full of it. there is ALWAYS some level of actual med that some things just react to much better than any level of narcotics even would or could. it all depends mostly upon just what IS the base of the pain? the actual 'generator" that will dictate what would and should at least be tried. trust me polly,you do need a different more enlightend and 'useful' PM right now.

when you get that report hon(is this cervical we are talkin here?) just type out, if you can, exactly what IS in that summary at the very end of that MRI report. there are many people here who do know how to somewhat read these and would at least be able to give you an idea of just what that showed and what may be involved too. alot really depends upon just what actually even showed up in any of your films. some are better than others at even picking up things that are actually pretty severe in nature too. there are just alot of different factors involved in the MRI itself being done really well and down to the interpretting radiologist who reads it too. and of course,any actual specialist you may see,their actual knowledge and experience really comes into play here too. a mere neurologist will not see your films the way a very experienced neurosurgeon would. they are two totally different types of specialists with their own levels of actual experience.

since this appears to be affecting BOTH sides to some degree, it could be some level of a more 'centrally" located problem up in your c spine responsible for this. its just how a central issue would show itself, bilaterally, vs the 'only one side' symptoms, you know what i mean?

but if you have the latest C spine MRI, that is the one we need to see the summary of. hang in there polly. Marcia
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:44 AM   #7
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Re: shoulder blade, elbow, palm, ring finger pain

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i think your PM is full of it. there is ALWAYS some level of actual med that some things just react to much better than any level of narcotics even would or could. it all depends mostly upon just what IS the base of the pain? the actual 'generator" that will dictate what would and should at least be tried. trust me polly,you do need a different more enlightend and 'useful' PM right now.

when you get that report hon(is this cervical we are talkin here?) just type out, if you can, exactly what IS in that summary at the very end of that MRI report. there are many people here who do know how to somewhat read these and would at least be able to give you an idea of just what that showed and what may be involved too. alot really depends upon just what actually even showed up in any of your films. some are better than others at even picking up things that are actually pretty severe in nature too. there are just alot of different factors involved in the MRI itself being done really well and down to the interpretting radiologist who reads it too. and of course,any actual specialist you may see,their actual knowledge and experience really comes into play here too. a mere neurologist will not see your films the way a very experienced neurosurgeon would. they are two totally different types of specialists with their own levels of actual experience.

since this appears to be affecting BOTH sides to some degree, it could be some level of a more 'centrally" located problem up in your c spine responsible for this. its just how a central issue would show itself, bilaterally, vs the 'only one side' symptoms, you know what i mean?

but if you have the latest C spine MRI, that is the one we need to see the summary of. hang in there polly. Marcia
Thank you so much for your encouragement. Last night was one of the best sleeps I can remember. I didn't get up until 6:20 am with pain, I took my med & it was gone by 6:45 am.
I called yesterday to get an app't for a spinal tap the epilepsy specialist said I needed 'right away' to rule in or out MS. Other than a long drawn out repeat of my conversation with the receptionist, the long & the short of it is, the neurologist & the epilepsy specialist decided together that I didn't need it - right now. I'm excited about that as I wasn't looking forward to it due to the negative comments that I've heard about it through the years.
I'll still see what I can do about getting the MRI reports.

 
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