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Old 07-17-2009, 12:05 AM   #1
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Does anyone know what this is?????

How do you determine weather surgery is required or if it is better off left alone and determined chronic.
I have a L5 pretrusion and bulge with S1 root nerve impingement Physo helped me walk up right but never helped with any pain, Back rehabilitation denied me after a two week trial as my condition was worsening. Although it felt like a spike was in my back exactly on the nerve for two months at a level 8 pain and the only difference was when going through exercises it would radiate several hrs later into a 15 out of 10 and continue for 2 to 3 days. I didn't express any of the leg synthoms so my insurance company sent me backto work, you know tryin to save every dime, and as soon as I lifted 5lbs after about 20 min I was done and started getting not shooting pain but lightning pain in my left thigh that dropped me to the ground and now have numbness and burning in my left but and radiant pains through out my leg.I loose balance when walking with a gamp and moving very very slow After resting on the couch for 2- 3 days and goes away back to just the constant pressure and spike in my back. The emergancy hospt told me that it is a delicate procedure and I'm not at the level to risk surgery yet.
So what is the level and what exact synthems do you need to determine if you need surgery or if you are better off just being chronic??

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Old 07-17-2009, 12:14 AM   #2
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Tell me more about the decompression I am considering this I also have L5 and s1 imingment and i would do anything just to relieve the pressure off the nerve.
Some say it only works for a temp period.. Did it help at all??

 
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Re: L-5-s-1

Does anyone know if the nerve can bleed?? when the pressure and pain is very high it feels as though there is bleeeding or liquid slightly running down a couple centemeters from the nerve

 
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From what I've researched the recovery is 1 day in the hostpital and a 2 to 3 week recovery and a 80% success rate. the disk may rebuldge 3 months to 3 years later then anouther micro surgery then a disk fussion if that doesn't help

 
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Randy:

To me the surgery is the best option if your ability to function well daily is impacted negatively by the symptoms. If you truly have a disc or vertebrae that is causing some type fo nerve impingement and not other treatments (such as physical therapy, epidural injections, etc) have helped then it appears surgery should be considered. It depends also on any other factors (other illnesses you may have, age, etc) but I've seen surgery done in people in their young 20's all the way up to their 80's if otherwise healthy.

I personally can't live with pain and other symptoms if there's a surgical option out there that may help. That being said, back surgery is generally not an option if there is no definitive cause for the pain and symptoms (for example, someone with back pain but no other symptoms and all ct/mri/x-ray come up 100% normal).
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Old 07-18-2009, 01:05 AM   #6
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Does anyone know what this is?????

I had an injury at work, lower back problem, The MRI showed the L5 disk pretruding and buldging slightly to the left with S1 root nerve impingment.
since the time of injury it felt like a spike was in my back at a spacific point slightly to the left of my spine. I did physo and it did not help this spike only got worse from a constant level 8 out of 10 to a 15 at times creating migrains. 2 months later I went to a back rehabilitation program and they did a two week try and would not accept me stating that they can't help me.
the day i left they did 3 work simulated tests, you know insurance companies just want you back to work don't care about you. the tests where to walk with a 5lb weight on each arm about 20 ft away and back my legs where shacking my left leg started experiencing radiating pain and i had to stop. all my medical examps never showed any of the signs of S1 nerve imingment as far as weakness tests go, but after carring the weights and do a few other exercises with weights things got terribly worse, the insurance company sent me back to work. My left leg then had all the sympthoms of S1 nerve impingement. I lasted about 20 min at work. So now a couple days later things are getting terribly worse. while at work I did 45 minutes the first day and had to leave the second day i made it 20 min it felt as though there was some kind of bledding running down 1 to 2 centemeters from the nerve or area. The other thing is theres about 2 centameters from the L5 disk upwards that has gone numb along my spine and the constant Spike is gone almost as if it is numb, if i run my finger along it I don't feel it for about 10 seconds then a burning runs down it exactly like my finger ran down it. I can't move my big toe when it does move a bit the bottom of my foot tingles, I get the very odd Not shooting but lightning pain into the right inner quarter of my thigh it knock me to the ground so fast i don't know what hit me. I also get radiating pain in my left leg.
Ok so we know this is probley S1 nerve impingement but my question is this today I felt pretty good not much pain then the radiating leg symthoms started I started getting dizzy my back along spine around L5 disk numb and climbing up to around L4 as well as burning in the L5 disk area, My left arm now has radiating pain from the arm pit into the bicept in slightly into the forearm I am very dizzy and feel like I'm blacking out off and on and very tired.
Does anyone know what this is????? Is it spinal cord related or just sympthoms of the S1 impingment?? or is it possible something ruptered thus the liquid feeling and maybe is fiddling with the spinal cord ? any one with anything please let me know. If it continues i will go to the hospital tomm

 
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Randy:

To me the surgery is the best option if your ability to function well daily is impacted negatively by the symptoms. If you truly have a disc or vertebrae that is causing some type fo nerve impingement and not other treatments (such as physical therapy, epidural injections, etc) have helped then it appears surgery should be considered. It depends also on any other factors (other illnesses you may have, age, etc) but I've seen surgery done in people in their young 20's all the way up to their 80's if otherwise healthy.

I personally can't live with pain and other symptoms if there's a surgical option out there that may help. That being said, back surgery is generally not an option if there is no definitive cause for the pain and symptoms (for example, someone with back pain but no other symptoms and all ct/mri/x-ray come up 100% normal).
heres an update please tell me what you think I am getting very worried

I had an injury at work, lower back problem, The MRI showed the L5 disk pretruding and buldging slightly to the left with S1 root nerve impingment.
since the time of injury it felt like a spike was in my back at a spacific point slightly to the left of my spine. I did physo and it did not help this spike only got worse from a constant level 8 out of 10 to a 15 at times creating migrains. 2 months later I went to a back rehabilitation program and they did a two week try and would not accept me stating that they can't help me.
the day i left they did 3 work simulated tests, you know insurance companies just want you back to work don't care about you. the tests where to walk with a 5lb weight on each arm about 20 ft away and back my legs where shacking my left leg started experiencing radiating pain and i had to stop. all my medical examps never showed any of the signs of S1 nerve imingment as far as weakness tests go, but after carring the weights and do a few other exercises with weights things got terribly worse, the insurance company sent me back to work. My left leg then had all the sympthoms of S1 nerve impingement. I lasted about 20 min at work. So now a couple days later things are getting terribly worse. while at work I did 45 minutes the first day and had to leave the second day i made it 20 min it felt as though there was some kind of bledding running down 1 to 2 centemeters from the nerve or area. The other thing is theres about 2 centameters from the L5 disk upwards that has gone numb along my spine and the constant Spike is gone almost as if it is numb, if i run my finger along it I don't feel it for about 10 seconds then a burning runs down it exactly like my finger ran down it. I can't move my big toe when it does move a bit the bottom of my foot tingles, I get the very odd Not shooting but lightning pain into the right inner quarter of my thigh it knock me to the ground so fast i don't know what hit me. I also get radiating pain in my left leg.
Ok so we know this is probley S1 nerve impingement but my question is this today I felt pretty good not much pain then the radiating leg symthoms started I started getting dizzy my back along spine around L5 disk numb and climbing up to around L4 as well as burning in the L5 disk area, My left arm now has radiating pain from the arm pit into the bicept in slightly into the forearm I am very dizzy and feel like I'm blacking out off and on and very tired.
Does anyone know what this is????? Is it spinal cord related or just sympthoms of the S1 impingment?? or is it possible something ruptered thus the liquid feeling and maybe is fiddling with the spinal cord ? any one with anything please let me know. If it continues i will go to the hospital tomm

 
Old 07-24-2009, 03:10 PM   #8
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Re: Does anyone know what this is?????

Randy....
If this was done at work you more than likely will need an attorney to get you out of the insurance companies "doctors" they tend to make light of your injury....when you get an attorney he will get you to a specialist....from what you described you will be needing some help....also let the specialist determine the procedure...if you are uncomfortable with the results get a second or third opinion......I wish you luck and hope you take my advice.

I was jerked around for a year with the IC doctors!...they force you to get an attorney...sad but true....Im sad about all the ones who just think they have to accept what they say and dont ever get real help.

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Old 07-25-2009, 05:08 PM   #9
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Oh ya if you read my postes below you will see that I was confused woundering if it was a spinal injury, The mri that showed s1 nrve impingment and disk protrusion, also had mass effect on the thecal sac, (outer spinal cord casing) this was failed to be mentioned and covered up. This was the first mri that the insurance company would not realease rather only advise portions of.

 
Old 07-25-2009, 10:28 PM   #10
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I agree you are deffinetly right there I wish I would of known this sooner.
But deffinetly a good referance to others

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Old 07-26-2009, 05:26 PM   #11
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Sooo then Randyrockpile, looks like the battle goes on. I was wondering if you get a moment, if you could explain to me about what you mean about waiting on an insurance company? I didn't know we had that here, and was wondering if you could explain what you are referring to and maybe this is something new available in Canada that I am unaware of? I know this might be difficult because we can't quote websites, but maybe you can still help me out here? Or, are you referring to Worker's Comp. which can be much the same?

I can really relate to these problems and mine seem to be increasing also. Even if the weather is warm/hot, it seems I still have to apply heat to that S nerve or the pain is just too much. Since the pain/mild disability seems to be more frequent and unbearable at times, I have to wonder what's next....

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Sooo then Randyrockpile, looks like the battle goes on. I was wondering if you get a moment, if you could explain to me about what you mean about waiting on an insurance company? I didn't know we had that here, and was wondering if you could explain what you are referring to and maybe this is something new available in Canada that I am unaware of? I know this might be difficult because we can't quote websites, but maybe you can still help me out here? Or, are you referring to Worker's Comp. which can be much the same?

I can really relate to these problems and mine seem to be increasing also. Even if the weather is warm/hot, it seems I still have to apply heat to that S nerve or the pain is just too much. Since the pain/mild disability seems to be more frequent and unbearable at times, I have to wonder what's next....

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I learned that you have to tear apart every document and deffinition otherwise you can be taken advantage of , and certian deffinetions can be overlooked if you don't know what they are.
i will use my knowledge from this to help others.
So chocolate if you are haveing trouble i will help, and as soon as customer service of this web site gets back to me I will start a thread dedicated to helping every one.
There is a young boy right now who has started a thread who wants to go to collage and can't due to his injury i will help him resaerch every thing I can as it costs him money to see a docter.

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Old 07-27-2009, 05:37 AM   #13
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Well, that doesn't exactly answer my question as to the availability of insurance up here and what you are talking about, but selflessly helping others is a worthy cause indeed.

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Old 07-28-2009, 10:22 PM   #14
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Well, that doesn't exactly answer my question as to the availability of insurance up here and what you are talking about, but selflessly helping others is a worthy cause indeed.

choc
If you already have a pre-exsisting injury it's hard to get insurance but if you sign a disclosure that you will not hold them liable for the pre existing injury, or any further related claims to the spacific injury then you may get insurance.
I think it's a good idea to realy research the insurance company first.
Workers comp is mainly in place to protect your employer from liabilities, thus why paid by employer, although they are also said to help the worker and they do in many cases, they host some very good rehabilitain facilities, my personal experience I would never claim workers comp, rather go through personal insurance and would recomend this for any seroius injury.
Green shield is a good insurance company and although they may want a medical assesment done by any local docter they may still accept you with your present injury.
If you are in canada and determined unable to work there are options available.
You may claim early retirement and have access to your canadian pension due to your injury rather then collecting permenant disability like aish which doesn't pay very much.
If you get access to your canadian pension plan, weather you are injuured or not you may use this money as long as you are investing into your futare, such as a house, business or investments and so on. This is something very few people know about.
If I am forced to utilize my canadian pension I will make investments so that i will be able to live for the next 40 years as once you deplete this you will no longer be entittled to recieve retirement funds. So if you have a solid plan in place and think that the business or investments will be able to multiply enough or earn enough for you to fullfill your life i think this is a good bennifate but to take it and spend it unwisley could put you in a bad position.

I am willing to accept the fact that things will not be the same as they where and I know this is very hard for people to accept, we all must understand that behind all bad is good we just need to allow our selves to see it and I have.(there is a silver linning behind evrey grey cloud)
In time and with lots of bed rest I will eventialy be able to leave my house traveling further and further, I now know my limits and the signs that put me in the hostpital and being in my own enviroment allows me to controll this, when the signs come I mearly take medication or rest.
My restructuring and plan will be to operate my own business within my house, one that is not demanding but gives me a purpose, this will keep me in my enviroment allowing me to controll my injury.
I had a very hard time dealing with the fact that I will not be able to do the things I use to and I'm sure so have all you, ecspecialy when you are couped up in your house or apartment boy your mind can run to the point it drives you bananas.
Many people ask should they consider surgery I think that first we need to wiegh every thing out, so many people go for back surgery and find them selves going through this over and over again for years sometmes the rest of there lives, if this is the life you are willing to chance then by all means. with most back surgery there is an 80% chance of reinjury.
I read so many postes of people confused or conplaining of there surgery, some poeple 7- 8 years later. this is not the life I will allow this injury to lead. it was scary enough for me just to go to the emrgancy room let alone deal with this over and over again.
In some cases surgery may be the best option but I am only expressing my opinion.
I thought I needed this very much so when the pain would just not go away, and i wanted to do the things and activities I use to but we sometimes find ourselves trying to take the easy way out and this doesn't always give us the results we are looking for.
I tried many medications and nothing would take the pain away, I tried physio, and all kinds of things, what people don't think about is that when these methods don't work we should try to reconsider every possible methods sometimes starting back from scratch. I am on bed rest now after all this and taking a perscription called Tramadol which is a slow release medication. It doesn't make you feel high or confusion, it allows you to relax take naps with out pain and, sleep through the night while still maintaining a clear head.
The anciety is gone and I can get through the days, I can manage my injury.
i am only able to get around my house but i know eventualy i will be able to make it to the store and then the park with the proper rest, i have set up my office beside the couch untill i am able sit for durations.
Allthough we feel sorrow for our selves lets realy think about it, we get to retire early, everybodies dream and can can be very fullfilling we just have to figure out how to fullfill it.
I no longer have to live in the hustle and bustle of life and have a reason to relax when ever I want. If so I can relax at the beach or lake, as long as I am resting.
We can learn alot from our injuries we just realy have to reflect.
Before my injury I use to operate 8 businesses all at once always rushing never taking the time to breath and relize how fresh the air realy is, stressed to the max. Now I can build these businesses as pleasure and in my own time.
I use to spend money like there was no end, now I have learned to manage money very well and am able to handle large amounts of it. I mean conmon I never have to lift anything again weather it's 5lbs or not people do my shopping So I never have to stand in line again, people drive me when I want, it may not be a limo but I have a chouffer (driver). My wife never bugs me to take out the garbage mow the lawn or any maintenance any more ha ha But it bennifates the boy down the block who uses the money for school as he doesn't have much.
If it wasn't for my injury the poor boy would still not have much and struggle through school.
With my injury I struggled very hard to the point i almos lost everything spent many days with out food in my cupboards, and this has taught me to help others.
Every thing i do now is on my own time.
so every body has there own lessons to be learned but sometimes things happen for a reason although we may not understand at the moment hopefully you can search and find yours as I have.
I realy hope that this writing has helped someone deal with there injury, and as you know from reading the above i am always available if anyone needs help understanding or getting through there injury.
Have a good day and smile it makes you ook better.

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Well, that doesn't exactly answer my question as to the availability of insurance up here and what you are talking about, but selflessly helping others is a worthy cause indeed.

choc
Choc keep in mind one thing you realy have to manage your injury.
I was on the road to recovery and I am now at the point where i can barley walk.
If you are feeling more pain please just relax, and rest sometimes it takes a week for things to melow down, but you should consider this listen to the pain its telling you something, trust me you don't want to make it worse.
although sometimes docters will classify it as non spacific back pain every pain has a reason, and is there to tell us something. choc as for insurance read my other reply.

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