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Old 08-11-2009, 11:26 PM   #1
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:35 AM   #2
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Re: cervical lordosis reversed

was this found upon just plain x ray as a finding or with an actual MRI? if it was an MRI, was there any other hard findings listed in that summary at the very end of that report? if all there was is 'just" the reversal of lordosis, it really is not in and of itself anything major or awful. it just means that the neck had lost that normal gradual lordodic curve that should just be there. it tends to stack the vertebare up upon themselves vs having them with less compression when that curve is there kind of thing? the absolute worst here is that it can just create a bit higher risk of slippage of the discs and vertebrae and that can be forwards or backwards, or side to side. its just something to be aware of and maybe have monitored with x ray from time to time, espescially if you start noticing any symptoms of possible herniation or ongoing neck pain.

many many people actually have this wrong with their c spines, me included. it can be something you were actually born with or caused by early or later trauma too. marcia
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Old 08-12-2009, 11:05 AM   #3
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Re: cervical lordosis reversed

Why does it hurt soooo bad? It is dibilitating, so much so that I am thinking about applying for disability because I have other symptoms and yes it was only an 8 slide x-ray but it is explicit in these findings:
Cervical lordosis is reversed. Multilevel disc space narrowing, endplate sclerosis and osteophytosis, multilevel facet arthrosis, neuroforamina are encroached upon, multilevel cervical spondylosis".
I don't have insurance and doc gave me Tramodol for pain 3xday but I only take it at night. But a new development has just occurred: for the last three days I have a "tingling needles" sensation from the neck to shoulder in same area. I am scared.

Thank you sooo muh for responding to my note during such a freightful time. I don't know what to do. If I get stressed or sit at the computer for a while it hurts. Please respond.

 
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Re: cervical lordosis reversed

It sounds like you may have other issues causing your pain and tingling that an X-ray will not show. You really need an MRI. Is there any way that you can get one of these? This is the only thing that will show what is happening with the actual discs and nerves (which are most commonly the cause of pain). I'm no expert, but I think it's unlikely that the reverse lordosis is actually the cause of your pain. I have this too, but this in itself was not causing my problems. Like feelbad said, a lot of people have reverse lordosis. However, it is usually disc problems and nerve impingement that cause most of our pain in this area.

It must be a scary position to be in without health insurance. Can you apply for any public health plan, like Medicaid?

 
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Re: cervical lordosis reversed

There are 2 ways in which you get a reversal of the normal cervical lordosis. One is by sudden accident...that's what I had when I broke my neck. The other is a very slow reversal that accompanies osteoarthritis...I'm guessing that is what you have. That is not as dangerous as the rapid reversal. Your spinal cord has time to adapt. But you are going to need an MRI and possibly surgery to fuse your neck back into the correct shape. Mine is held in place with 2 titanium rods and lots of screws.

French....you are in Houston and have lots of great medical schools in your area. They are all connected with hospitals and should have low cost clinics for people without insurance...or even a sliding fee scale so it may be no cost. You need to see someone in neurosurgery who can correct your neck. You are risking paralysis at this point of you are starting to get tingling. Any weakness or clumsiness? Loss of function(weakness or clumsiness) and loss of feeling(tingling or numbness)means you are at risk for further damage and possible permanent damage. Time to act.

So figure out which hospital is affiliated with what medical school and start calling around to find out who has a neurosurgery clinic(Orthopedic surgeons do work on backs but a neck that bad should have a neurosurgeon in my estimation). Then make an appointment or have your doc get you in to one. You might need a referral. You can get help, you just need to do some homework and searching.

good luck....we're here for you......Jenny

 
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Re: cervical lordosis reversed

Thank you Jenny so kind of you. I used to live in Houston but I recently moved to Central Texas because that last hurriane devasted everything we had...that is why I dont have insurance, lost my job because the plant flooded. Have almost gone thru my savings. I got really scared when you mention paralysis. I tried calling around to clinics,health communities and no one will see you that is aspecialist (neuro) without ins. I am going to talk to my doc for something call Neuroten...something I may not spell it right but the pharmacist said it would make the pain and tingling go away. I am also going to try to get on disability, I can't believe I'm doing this but I don't know what else to do. The dis. claim person said they would determine if I could be labeled as disabled or deny my claim, but at least they will determine what I have at no cost to me. What do you think? Thank you for being there. What state do you reside in?

 
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Re: cervical lordosis reversed

Forgot to say only numbness in my fingertips of right hand middle fingers. No, no clumsiness or anything like that. This is really devastating me because I have always been fit and fast..now, I am scared to work out because my neck hurts at pulls and turns.

 
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Medicaid is only for people under 18. And of course, I am too young for medicare. I called medicaid and they said Social Security Disability is the only one that can help if I try to file a claim for disability.

 
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Re: cervical lordosis reversed

And here's the hard part with Social Security Disability. It's very hard to get. The average time to have a claim approved is 3 years and Medicare doesn't become available until 2 years after the first possible date you can be approved...which is 6 months after you apply...so 2 1/2 years after you apply you can get Medicare if you are approved. So that doesn't really help you. Especially since you don't even have a diagnosis and the only test you've had is an x-ray. 70% of all claims are denied the first time around. It's a real hassle.

You'd be better off finding some kind of job that offers insurance. Starbucks offers insurance to part-time employees(or at least they did). Get a part-time job and hang in there as best you can until the insurance kicks in then get to a doc fast to have an MRI and see if you need surgery.At least once you have insurance, you can keep it for 18 months if you have to leave the job. Expensive to buy Cobra insurance but my 2 cervical spine surgeries cost about $100,000 together.

Your only other option is that if you find yourself in a lot of pain or going numb, go to an ER. They have to treat you....doesn't mean they'll fix it but they do have to treat you and you might find out just how bad it is.

Here is the bottom line with necks. Your x-rays shows a lot but it doesn't show the crucial piece if info you and the docs need......is your spinal cord compressed? All that damage can cause a disk or a bone spur or even the bone to press on the spinal cord. That can only be seen by an MRI. Your spinal cord is usually about 11-12 millimeters wide at the neck(actually its oval in the neck). It can be compressed to quite a degree before damage is permanent. I was at 6mms and still working full time. But I walked taking baby steps and kept dropping everything. I had almost no pain(not a good sign).Pain shows the nerves are still alive and kicking...screaming in fact. So I had a new surgery that re-shaped my whole spinal canal. Worked beautifully until I somehow managed to dislocate 5 vertebrae and break 3 of the 4 bone grafts in my neck 3 months after surgery. That's what I mean by rapid reversal.....took a minute to undo all the work done and then some.

So what you need to know is if your cord is compressed. The small amount of tingling you have may or may not be involved. It could be carpal tunnel syndrome causing the tingling. You won't know until you have that MRI.

So if you can bring yourself to get a part-time job with benefits, that will at least give you what you need to know if you are in danger. If not, try the ER route and beg them for an MRI. And ask for a copy of the MRI and the results either way. Then post the results here and we'll read them for you and help you decide what to do.

Hang in there.......................Jenny

 
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Re: cervical lordosis reversed

Thank you Jenny....so I won't go the disability route...I do contract work so hopefully something will come up here. I am trying hard to find a job and that is a stressful job in itself. But if you would take time to hear this....there are times when the pain is almost nil. Right now I put some bengay and took my tradomol and I feel good even though I have been on the computer for 2 hours. Funny. But I will assure you, I am not going to let this thing get me down. I fell from two stories about 9 years ago and considered myself so blessed as I had no side affects except a scratch on my elbow. Now, this is manifesting. I also stood on my head for many years.......I still can with perfect balance but dont. I am starting Omega 3 and calcium for this along with my friends like you who care to post important things for us ignorant people who are just scared. I may have education, but this stuff I know naught about. Scary. Thanks Jenny! My tingling on the left side comes around 2X aday and goes away real fast. Not lasting.

 
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Re: cervical lordosis reversed

One more question....by spinal cord compressed...doesn't the word Neurofaromania encroachment mean something is being pressed? That is what the Xrays said.

 
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Re: cervical lordosis reversed

The foramina are the outlets in the bone for the nerves that exit the vertebrae on the sides(each vertebra has a set of nerves that leave the spinal cord and go out to the body). Some radiologists called them neroforamina or in the case of a report, neuroforaminal. So neuroforaminal encroachment would mean the bone or disks are starting to close up the opening in the vertebrae where the nerves exit. It is "encroaching the nerve".That does not mean it is the cord...just the nerves exiting. That is why you have so much pain. Those nerves hurt...the cord, like the brain, doesn't. That is why it can be so dangerous. You don't feel the spinal cord being damaged except for the numbness and loss of function below the level of the pressure. That doesn't mean it isn't important. When those nerves get so compressed you start losing function in the area supplied by the nerve then you need to have that fixed. But your fleeting tingling in your fingers may be an early sign or a sign of something else all together.

Just remember this..pain is actually a good sign with a bad spine. It means the nerves are alive and screaming at you. Once you start to get more numbness and less pain, then you need help. That means a nerve may be dying and it needs to be freed up from whatever is pressing on it.

Hard to think of pain being a good sign but take it from someone who battled back from paralysis...it is! No pain, no movement, no feeling...that is bad.

gentle hugs............Jenny

 
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Re: cervical lordosis reversed

Hello french44,

I was just wondering from your thread title about the reverse lordosis, if you have any swallowing problems or discomfort in throat area. It's a feeling that can change throughout the day from feeling like there is a lump in there to bit(s) of bone or something, but it never goes away 24/7. Can be very annoying in addition to pain problems.

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Hi Choc...how are you doing? Any better? Any news as to what is wrong and what they are going to do about it?

Miss you here...................Jenny

 
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Hi, thank you for your note. No nothing like what you are saying, but if sometimes I have trouble swallowing like it won't go down my throat smoothly. And come to think of it it started about the same time as this. What troubles you? Is this your condition? I am on the computer now.

 
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